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AARO
Mar 9, 2005

by Lowtax
Do you think sometime in the future we'll just have a chip implanted in our brains that we can mentally maneuver to do everything a smart phone can do today?

Kramer was right. Phones in our heads. It's coming. It'll look like this.

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Cordon bleu
Sep 11, 2016

by Smythe
They already have this.

Garcin
Jun 15, 2000
So yes this is going to happen but we need to make sure that we don't leave oily fingerprints on Molly's eyepiece. Get your priorities straight.

Iron Prince
Aug 28, 2005
Buglord
just as long as I can jack in to the JACKOSPHERE and stream porno straight to my JACKIN' HAND then I'm in.

HaveARottenDay
Aug 5, 2013

I too use my phone to look at pictures of mostly eyeballs

Stalizard
Aug 11, 2006

Have I got a headache!
I have a chip implanted in my dick that I manipulate to do basic smartphone functions, coincidentally I'm not allowed within 1000 feet of schools

Chief McHeath
Apr 23, 2002

It'll be too risky to implant in your brain, so they'll have to do it in your pinky (least valuable) finger, so you'll have to stick your pinky in your ear to listen. Might even talk into your thumb.

Glasgow Kiss
Dec 12, 2007

Oh, put that thing away, Samurai. We all know what's going to happen. You'll swing your sword, I'll fly away, and probably say something like, "I'll be back, Samurai!" And then I'll flutter over the horizon and we probably won't see each for... about a week. And then we'll do the same thing again.

Stalizard posted:

I have a chip implanted in my dick that I manipulate to do basic smartphone functions, coincidentally I'm not allowed within 1000 feet of schools

:yeah:

Iron Prince
Aug 28, 2005
Buglord

Stalizard posted:

I have a chip implanted in my dick that I manipulate to do basic smartphone functions, coincidentally I'm not allowed within 1000 feet of schools

lol don't even act like that restriction wasn't already in place before you were chipped, Jared.

Cordon bleu
Sep 11, 2016

by Smythe

Iron Prince posted:

lol don't even act like that restriction wasn't already in place before you were chipped, Jared.

The only thing worse than a Jared is a Boner named Kevin, and that is you my friend.

Iron Prince
Aug 28, 2005
Buglord

Cordon bleu posted:

The only thing worse than a Jared is a Boner named Kevin, and that is you my friend.

:chloe:

Stalizard
Aug 11, 2006

Have I got a headache!

Iron Prince posted:

lol don't even act like that restriction wasn't already in place before you were chipped, Jared.

:drat:

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010

Not in our lifetime. Even a high tech contact lense is unrealistic in our lifetime. But eventually apple will release their version of google glass and we'll all switch to hud style phone interfaces.

Cordon bleu
Sep 11, 2016

by Smythe

Moon Atari posted:

Not in our lifetime. Even a high tech contact lense is unrealistic in our lifetime. But eventually apple will release their version of google glass and we'll all switch to hud style phone interfaces.

What about the people with epilepsy that already have computers in their heads and the mutants that the military has been covering up for decades (centuries, millennia) what about that though?

Genesplicer
Oct 19, 2002

I give your invention the worst grade imaginable: An A-minus-minus!

Total Clam
In the future, phones will be so small that they will be implanted inside prosthetic testicles. However, it will take balls to do this.

Garcin
Jun 15, 2000

Moon Atari posted:

Not in our lifetime. Even a high tech contact lense is unrealistic in our lifetime. But eventually apple will release their version of google glass and we'll all switch to hud style phone interfaces.

The internet just recently started. And you are questioning google glass? Prosthetics?

Penis implants.

Ein cooler Typ
Nov 26, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
In the future, phones won't have headphone jacks.

AARO
Mar 9, 2005

by Lowtax

Ein cooler Typ posted:

In the future, phones won't have headphone jacks.

You sick monster.

Shifty gimbal
Dec 28, 2008

Hey you... I got something to tell ya
Biscuit Hider
The chip that's going to go in your brain is going to be this Apple MFi authorization chip hanging out in the lower-left cable:

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010

Mechanical interaction with the brain is very difficult and we are currently at an extremely primitive stage of technology. Most implants for epilepsy actually work via electrical stimulation of cranial nerves, achieving nothing more than a blast of neural activity to disrupt a seizure, and the majority are not even implanted in the brain. Meaningfully interacting, such that we can produce an artificial sensory experience that would overlay our actual sensory experience, requires such technological advances that it is difficult to even come up with a hard scifi style technobabble explanation with any basis in existing tech.

A pretty large amount of the brain is dedicated to visual perception. You'd have to be contacting all or a lot of those neurons to produce something meaningful. If we assume it is some sort of nanotech metal implant it would have to be guided into direct or near direct contact with all those neurons, without damaging them or surrounding material. This is made extra complicated by the fact that each brain's layout is actually fairly unique, so it would also need to test the individual's response to stimulating clusters of neurons. Currently we can't even open the skull without causing some damage, let alone probe visual processing in detail.

As to the state of nanotech, we are nowhere near even manufacturing contact lenses with a detailed screen in them, let alone being able to connect the lenses to an input device wirelessly. The best we can hope for is glasses and maybe that vibration based audio stimulation.

AARO
Mar 9, 2005

by Lowtax
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/28/health/brain-interface/

quote:

Mind control? Brain controls brain in new demonstration
By Elizabeth Landau, CNN

Every so often, you see something that makes you think: The future is here.

Researchers at the University of Washington have demonstrated what they say is the first example of a noninvasive human-to-human brain interface. In a video posted online, they show how a scientist could control another scientist's hand motions just by using brain signals sent over the Internet.

The two participants in this demonstration were the scientists themselves, Rajesh Rao and Andrea Stocco. They were situated on different parts of the University of Washington's campus when Stocco's finger moved on a keyboard, controlled by Rao's brain signal.

An ethical review board gave the two of them specifically -- and no one else -- permission to try it out, Stocco said. "So far, we are the only human beings whose brains are being connected," said Stocco, a research assistant professor at the university's Institute for Learning and Brain Sciences. They have now done several trials of this brain communication in their unpublished pilot study and hope to expand it.

How they did it

Rao wore a cap with electrodes that were connected to an electroencephalography machine, a contraption that reads electrical activity from the brain. Rao played a video game without using his hands, just using his mind. By imagining moving his right hand, he could move a cursor on the computer screen to click "fire," in order to fire a cannon at a target. The goal of the game is to hit rockets fired by pirate ships and avoid hitting supply planes.

Meanwhile, in Stocco's lab across campus, Stocco wore a purple swim cap. A transcranial magnetic stimulation coil was placed over his left motor cortex, the part of the brain that controls hand movement. The electrical activity of Rao's brain was read by the electroencephalography machine, which then sent signals over the Internet to Stocco's brain by way of the transcranial magnetic stimulation coil. The signal activated the neurons that prompted Stocco's right hand to move.

Because of this connection, Rao's thinking about moving the cursor almost simultaneously caused Stocco to press the space bar of his own keyboard with his right index finger.
The first time, says Stocco, "I didn't know precisely if my hand moved because actually I got the signal from the machine or if I was twitching." "I never twitch, so I was pretty sure that it was the signal, so I felt happy."

Caveats

This all sounds futuristic and spacey. But wait -- this isn't published in a peer-reviewed journal, which is the gold standard for scientific results, says Dr. Miguel Nicolelis, professor of neuroscience at Duke University, who has pioneered brain-computer and brain-brain interface techniques. Stocco said he and Rao plan on submitting their results to journals, but wanted to get the word out quickly after they had evidence of their success. What's more, Nicolelis says, Stocco was not consciously interpreting the signal from Rao. Instead, the brain signal caused Stocco's finger to move involuntarily. The absence of choice in this situation makes it less impressive from a scientific standpoint, Nicolelis said. The same effect could have been achieved by a cell phone or a computer triggering the involuntarily movement. "It's like a technical trick, but it doesn't cross the threshold of brain-to-brain communication," he said.

What came before

Harvard University researchers have also shown that a human could move a rat's tail with their minds, translating the person's neural signals to excite the motor area of a rat that had a motor sensor on it. This study was published in the journal PLOS One earlier this year. A true brain-to-brain interface would involve the ability for choice, and for feedback, Nicolelis said. In other words, the receiver would have the ability to send signals back to the sender. Nicolelis' own research has shown this more complicated technique is possible, at least in rodents. In an experiment described in a study in the journal Scientific Reports, two rats were placed in separate chambers with several levers. The brains of these rats were connected through arrays of tiny electrodes. One rat got a visual cue about which lever would lead to a reward of a drink of water. When this rat pressed the correct lever, the second rat received brain activity from the first rat corresponding to that decision.

The researchers believe that the receiving rats were actively using and interpreting this information, not just pressing a lever involuntarily, because the receiving rat pressed the correct lever about 70% of the time. That is still fairly high, but not 100%. Here's the more impressive part: The rats appeared to demonstrate two-way collaboration in their brain network -- the rat sending the signal changed its brain function and behavior when the receiving rat did not press the correct lever. The researchers incentivized this by not giving a full reward to the sending rat if the receiving rat messed up. This kind of two-way brain communication between humans has yet to be demonstrated. But that doesn't mean it isn't possible.

Future research

For now, the University of Washington scientists can show off their technique using simple brain signals, but their technology doesn't allow people to read each other's thoughts.
And don't worry -- it was done in a laboratory setting in accordance with a strict human-testing protocol, so it would not be used to control people's behavior without their consent, they say.
The technology is still in its early stages, but Stocco imagines many practical applications: For instance, a senior surgeon could control the hands of another surgeon in training during an operation. Stocco also told the University of Washington's news office that a person with disabilities could signal that he or she would like food or water, or a pilot who becomes incapacitated could be assisted from the ground.

"It was both exciting and eerie to watch an imagined action from my brain get translated into actual action by another brain," Rao told the University of Washington's news office. "This was basically a one-way flow of information from my brain to his. The next step is having a more equitable two-way conversation directly between the two brains."
The researchers said they intend to conduct another experiment involving more complex information from one brain to another. They will try the technique on more people if that is successful, and if approved by the ethics board. If they can pump up the technology to do what Nicolelis has demonstrated in rats, this would be, quite literally, a meeting of minds.

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





Moon Atari posted:

Mechanical interaction with the brain is very difficult and we are currently at an extremely primitive stage of technology. Most implants for epilepsy actually work via electrical stimulation of cranial nerves, achieving nothing more than a blast of neural activity to disrupt a seizure, and the majority are not even implanted in the brain. Meaningfully interacting, such that we can produce an artificial sensory experience that would overlay our actual sensory experience, requires such technological advances that it is difficult to even come up with a hard scifi style technobabble explanation with any basis in existing tech.

I'm getting a memory chip implanted in my brain for my courier job.

Cordon bleu
Sep 11, 2016

by Smythe

Moon Atari posted:

Mechanical interaction with the brain is very difficult and we are currently at an extremely primitive stage of technology. Most implants for epilepsy actually work via electrical stimulation of cranial nerves, achieving nothing more than a blast of neural activity to disrupt a seizure, and the majority are not even implanted in the brain. Meaningfully interacting, such that we can produce an artificial sensory experience that would overlay our actual sensory experience, requires such technological advances that it is difficult to even come up with a hard scifi style technobabble explanation with any basis in existing tech.

A pretty large amount of the brain is dedicated to visual perception. You'd have to be contacting all or a lot of those neurons to produce something meaningful. If we assume it is some sort of nanotech metal implant it would have to be guided into direct or near direct contact with all those neurons, without damaging them or surrounding material. This is made extra complicated by the fact that each brain's layout is actually fairly unique, so it would also need to test the individual's response to stimulating clusters of neurons. Currently we can't even open the skull without causing some damage, let alone probe visual processing in detail.

As to the state of nanotech, we are nowhere near even manufacturing contact lenses with a detailed screen in them, let alone being able to connect the lenses to an input device wirelessly. The best we can hope for is glasses and maybe that vibration based audio stimulation.

Ya but it's on wifi with my telephone and vibrates during aura patterns and undergrads made this in Australia, the medication regime is not as intensive as it was before and only needs to be done as an immediate prophylaxis .

Iron Prince
Aug 28, 2005
Buglord

Moon Atari posted:

Mechanical interaction with the brain is very difficult and we are currently at an extremely primitive stage of technology. Most implants for epilepsy actually work via electrical stimulation of cranial nerves, achieving nothing more than a blast of neural activity to disrupt a seizure, and the majority are not even implanted in the brain. Meaningfully interacting, such that we can produce an artificial sensory experience that would overlay our actual sensory experience, requires such technological advances that it is difficult to even come up with a hard scifi style technobabble explanation with any basis in existing tech.

A pretty large amount of the brain is dedicated to visual perception. You'd have to be contacting all or a lot of those neurons to produce something meaningful. If we assume it is some sort of nanotech metal implant it would have to be guided into direct or near direct contact with all those neurons, without damaging them or surrounding material. This is made extra complicated by the fact that each brain's layout is actually fairly unique, so it would also need to test the individual's response to stimulating clusters of neurons. Currently we can't even open the skull without causing some damage, let alone probe visual processing in detail.

As to the state of nanotech, we are nowhere near even manufacturing contact lenses with a detailed screen in them, let alone being able to connect the lenses to an input device wirelessly. The best we can hope for is glasses and maybe that vibration based audio stimulation.

Cordon bleu
Sep 11, 2016

by Smythe
So that kook that google employs called Ray Kurzweil sure played a lot of second life and internet foram... he also has a very accessible voice mail.

AARO
Mar 9, 2005

by Lowtax
Magnetic mind control works in live animals, makes mice happy

Cordon bleu
Sep 11, 2016

by Smythe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJyMEkb_8to

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010

tDSC and TMS both have (at absolute best) about as much fidelity as poking a finger into a brain, with fantasies of improving the ability to target specific areas beyond slight increases cockblocked by physical laws of electromagnetism.

The future will be mostly the same with slightly better gadgets, except for where it sucks in ways we didn't predict. Videogames might get better graphics, but at the cost of gameplay. You will die a few years before life extending technology becomes available. Your children, should you have them, will mostly view your death as an inconvenience.

Cordon bleu
Sep 11, 2016

by Smythe
Cell phone wifi is bad. Information dissemination is bad. China and India do not exist. There is no such thing as angel investors and venture capitalists are all evil people because they ditched my mom.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost
Actually there will be no phones in the future. Just as we're on the cusp of the ultimate phone, we'll run out of rare earth ores and the world will be plunged into chaos and barbarism.

Cordon bleu
Sep 11, 2016

by Smythe
Elon's Musk got you hot and bothered or something AppleWhite?

FedEx Mercury
Jan 7, 2004

Me bad posting? That's unpossible!
Lipstick Apathy
In the future we will never be bored, but neither will we ever be truly satisfied.

autoaim.cfg
Aug 6, 2005
:qq: WHINY SHITHEAD :qq:
*drops mic*

Pawn 17 posted:

I'm getting a memory chip implanted in my brain for my courier job.

Please tell me you didn't erase your childhood for extra storage space?

Nooner
Mar 26, 2011

AN A+ OPSTER (:
Will the phone in my brain remind me not to poo poo my pants?

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





autoaim.cfg posted:

Please tell me you didn't erase your childhood for extra storage space?

Well yeah, but I was told I could get my memories back at any time. I mean, I can... can't I? :ohdear:

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec

Nooner posted:

Will the phone in my brain remind me not to poo poo my pants?

Yes, isn't the future amazing

ScRoTo TuRbOtUrD
Jan 21, 2007

Nooner posted:

Will the phone in my brain remind me not to poo poo my pants?

no but your pager might

interwhat
Jul 23, 2005

it's kickin in dude
So glad I'm going to be dead in around 60 years or sooner

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Dec 24, 2007

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ScRoTo TuRbOtUrD
Jan 21, 2007

interwhat posted:

So glad I'm going to be dead in around 60 years or sooner

so is everybody else

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