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ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Blue Star Error posted:

This pretty much sums it up.

You should probably start with researching the furore when Milton Keynes stole Wimbledon, and then look at UEFA's rules that forbid state aid to football clubs, iirc Swansea either nearly or actually got in trouble regarding that for something to do with the Liberty Stadium, also maybe West Ham's move to the Olympic Stadium got looked at for being dodgy as gently caress (because it is).

If you can deal with some people telling you to gently caress off for no apparent reason you might get some better information from the good lads who mean well in The Ray Parlour.

West Ham's deal was certainly dodgy as gently caress as West Ham pay a pittance and seemingly keep all of the income. On the other end of the spectrum, you have this which is a joint partnership between a local authority and sports team to benefit everyone

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Total Meatlove posted:

This has been attempted with Hull City AFC(Hull Tigers) and it got rejected

and yet the MK Dons still hold onto the Dons part despite essentially admitting they are a completely new club that only came into existence in 2004

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Y-Hat posted:

How effective are players' unions in Europe at combating management? Players' unions vary in strength here (it's more or less a formality in the NFL but is quite strong in MLB and the NHL) but are all seen as important to the functioning of the game. On the other hand, the only time I heard of any kind of labor unrest over there was a potential work stoppage in La Liga in Spain, which has its fair share of clubs teetering on the edge of a cliff financially. Even though socialism in North American sports isn't as strong as some make it out to be, the labor/management struggle is very much alive and well, and you can't say that about other industries. I can't speak for Canada which always hitches its wagon to American sports leagues, but I can definitely say that about the US.

We've got one of them here too. I hope this isn't a permanent sponsorship, because they will always be the MetroStars to me and a lot of other fans. It's the nature of the beast in soccer to have shirt sponsors, but it just doesn't come naturally to us to have it in other sports, namely because of poo poo like this (this arrangement only lasted one season but the Red Wings must never, ever live it down).

Sports teams are a business here too, but that's never stopped them from moving and setting up shop elsewhere. The Rams returning to LA after 20 years in St. Louis is just one chapter of a very long book on greedy owners doing this. But as people have said, clubs are more entrenched in a local community than they are here.

there was very nearly a strike by players in the English professional leagues which got called off as per the link. But apart from that, it's been relative labour peace, partly because players can gently caress off all over Europe for similar money if they don't like it where they're playing at the time

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Simplex posted:

I think people are maybe missing the forest for the tress here a little bit. For one, no one really gives a poo poo about lower division soccer, much like nobody really gives a poo poo about minor league baseball. Yeah, they have fan support and blah, blah, blah the revenue differences are orders of magnitude apart. To put it in perspective, if the Premier League consisted of just 5 teams, you would have a team in London, a team in Manchester, and a team in Birmingham and the teams could move about pretty freely ransoming one city or another. Conversely if you had 120 NFL teams every city of any consequence in the US would have one or more NFL teams, and there would be nowhere for any team to move to. Los Angeles isn't going to build a stadium to help the Toledo Mud Hens relocate, because they already have 6 teams.

I could tear this apart and say how wrong it is, but I'll just point at Jamie Vardy whenever anyone says lower league football is rubbish.

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