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A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

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The topic of this reminds me of this article, where the conclusion basically seems to be that teams in the US gain their power from being part of a cartel. In Europe, where supply exceeds demand, competition reigns and teams can't strong-arm their host cities.

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Jarmak posted:

Using the free market to force the local government to bid for your services against other local governments is not any definition of socialism I'm aware of.
Using the free market on a product which you as a group have monopolized through a cartel.

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HorseLord posted:

I'm trying to conceive of how a football team could even move. Liverpool, right, their big thing is that they're from liverpool. They'd become what, the cardiff liverpools? how would that work? Anywhere to move to already has a team or two, and the fans aren't going to follow. Why would you convert a billion pound major team into a poo poo one that's located in the middle of nowhere, has no heritage and no fans? How would the liverpoolness be kept in? Talent scout in liverpool and go "hey 18 year old kid, want to move 100 miles away where you know nobody?"
You just need a transition period where you rename the team along American lines, and slowly emphasize the non-city part of the name. Like this:

Liverpool F.C --> Liverpool Slavers --> [City Name] Slavers

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Jarmak posted:

Yes private cartels, an element of socialism.

I know you really wanted to get that great zinger in but "unfettered capitalism that has destroyed the free market" :smug: is not an argument for it being socialism.
I was agreeing with you, by emphasizing what the "socialist" characteristics of American sports really are.

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To add to what people have been saying about communities, there is also the fact that the soccer teams are really ancillary to the real point of soccer; getting into fights with other fans.

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Marenghi posted:

Is that really true anymore. Most people I know support clubs for the community and enjoyment of the game.
Yes, sadly, this aspect has suffered in recent years, though it is not dead.

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