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Op you answered it right in your question: it's because of homosexuals
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spacetoaster posted:A lot of the places in the U.S. are so spread out. If you try and walk to a place you better plan for that to be the only place you go that day.
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Sep 27, 2016 11:04
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Cicero posted:Yes, transportation and land use go hand-in-hand. What you said is true, and it's true because we made it that way. I think there's also a small difference in land mass and geography between America and a random tiny country in Eastern Europe...
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Sep 27, 2016 12:09
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Panfilo posted:I think the US military is a bit too rapey for that to work here. I admire your edgy stance. It's, like, rad.
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Sep 27, 2016 12:35
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The US army is pretty big on rape, though. They'll even rape their own when there's no civilians to hone their rape skills on.
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Sep 27, 2016 12:42
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Down in Miami we have a great nude beach on the ocean. I think its the only or maybe largest public nude beach in the country. It's always packed with people, lots of international but locals too. I love going, there's nothing sexual about the experience at all, and everyone is super nice there. I've also been to a few of the naturist resorts around S. Florida and other parts of the country and had great experiences. There's just something really equalizing about the experience that makes everyone friendlier, and I feel like that might be one of the bigger hidden psychological components behind the cultural attitude about it. Americans, or maybe just people in general, really like to feel superior to others and the way they dress and develop their image plays a big part of that. Take away that pretense and all that's left is recognizing your humanity and commonality with others. AMA about going naked in public.
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Sep 27, 2016 12:42
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US military is pretty rapey. Not as rapey as WWII Japan or the Red Army in Berlin rapey, but still pretty rapey.
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Sep 27, 2016 12:43
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Mange Mite posted:I think there's also a small difference in land mass and geography between America and a random tiny country in Eastern Europe... We easily could have dense mixed-use development if we felt like it. It's just that most cities now have heavy zoning regulations that prevent it, and we tend to subsidize sprawly, car-oriented development one way or another.
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Sep 27, 2016 14:50
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Mange Mite posted:I think there's also a small difference in land mass and geography between America and a random tiny country in Eastern Europe... Tiny Eastern European country of Russia.
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Sep 27, 2016 14:57
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Cicero posted:Being a physically large country gives us the option of sprawling out. It doesn't force us to do that. For example, as pointed out earlier, US cities that got built out prior to cars becoming common tend to be much more walkable. Really, being a big country has more of an obvious impact on the distance between metros, rather than how dense each metro or principal city is. There's also the American Dream that requires having a green lawn big enough for a golf course.
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Sep 27, 2016 15:59
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Cicero posted:Really, being a big country has more of an obvious impact on the distance between metros, rather than how dense each metro or principal city is. These are tied together though. Especially with a significant (and until recently very large) rural community, which encourages the use of cars for transportation. Basically the fact that we aren't just concentrated nexuses of people (even defining something like Houston as a "concentrated nexus") encourages the use of transportation with more flexibility. Those are cars.
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Sep 27, 2016 16:18
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There's plenty of places in the world that are effectively a network of concentrated nexuses of people, even in rural settings.
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Sep 27, 2016 19:39
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I'm interested in how attitudes about nudity affect body image. Have there been studies done on the relationship between a culture's nudity taboos and the overall satisfaction with a person's own appearance? I'm not talking about the concept of shame for exposing oneself, I'm talking about people finding their bodies sent. Tagging along this question, I'm curious how much porn really shapes our attitudes about nudity. I've often heard women shaved their pubes because women in porn. In places like the US how much of a warped attitude are people getting from porn exactly? Since people in the US are less likely to see casual nudity (women breastfeeding, spas, locker rooms, beaches) I wonder if their expectations of having the 'right' body are warped.
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Sep 27, 2016 22:41
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Panfilo posted:I'm interested in how attitudes about nudity affect body image. Have there been studies done on the relationship between a culture's nudity taboos and the overall satisfaction with a person's own appearance? I'm not talking about the concept of shame for exposing oneself, I'm talking about people finding their bodies sent. We have an entire cottage industry of picture books intended to show women that their labia aren't weird and they don't need surgery.
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Sep 27, 2016 23:00
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Also anal bleaching is a thing, which is literally something that would never exist if people had a healthy body image.
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Sep 27, 2016 23:06
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Panfilo posted:Tagging along this question, I'm curious how much porn really shapes our attitudes about nudity. I've often heard women shaved their pubes because women in porn. In places like the US how much of a warped attitude are people getting from porn exactly? Since people in the US are less likely to see casual nudity (women breastfeeding, spas, locker rooms, beaches) I wonder if their expectations of having the 'right' body are warped. pubes nothing, there is whole areas of the body that men are so unaware that women shave that they think a women is somehow sick if she has hair there. Like not morally "sick", physically ill.
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Sep 27, 2016 23:58
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:pubes nothing, there is whole areas of the body that men are so unaware that women shave that they think a women is somehow sick if she has hair there. Like not morally "sick", physically ill. For example?
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Sep 28, 2016 00:40
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shame on an IGA posted:We have an entire cottage industry of picture books intended to show women that their labia aren't weird and they don't need surgery. Ddraig posted:Also anal bleaching is a thing, which is literally something that would never exist if people had a healthy body image. This is another thing I'm regretfully aware of. But again, how ubiquitous is this kind of thing? I always figured with vaginas and anuses that by the time a person got to the point of seeing it, any deviations from porn point they're seeing this they're really not going to care either way, so how many people are really getting their assholes bleached? And honest question: is this less or more of an issue for gay men than it is for straight men? Owlofcreamcheese posted:pubes nothing, there is whole areas of the body that men are so unaware that women shave that they think a women is somehow sick if she has hair there. Like not morally "sick", physically ill. Again also aware of. I guess my curiosity is this : is there a correlation between between hirsute bodies and nudity taboos? I know body hair in a lot of cultures is assumed to be a masculine trait, but in cultures where they see everything hanging and flopping about are women still expected to be less hairy than men in certain places? And again, how much of this is REALLY a dealbreaker to men in these cultures?
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Sep 28, 2016 00:57
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It just occurred to me were this really is a pain in the rear end, breastfeeding. It's super hard to breast feed in many places in the US. I forget how much that sucked when we were doing it in the south.
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Sep 28, 2016 04:54
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TheImmigrant posted:For example?
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Panfilo posted:
Male humans (don't know about other primates) are genetically predisposed to be attracted to females with less body hair, it's a "built in feature" of all men, this is why women have less body hair than men today and without waxing and stuff being invented they'd have even less today. In a nude society it should work much the same as it does now, women would try to have less hair to be more attractive to a mate. TheImmigrant posted:For example? Most women are shaving their legs and arms, I've know several that had to shave their back, lip, sideburns but never around the chest for some reason.
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Sep 28, 2016 07:40
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TheImmigrant posted:There's also the American Dream that requires having a green lawn big enough for a golf course. computer parts posted:These are tied together though. quote:Especially with a significant (and until recently very large) rural community, which encourages the use of cars for transportation. quote:Basically the fact that we aren't just concentrated nexuses of people (even defining something like Houston as a "concentrated nexus") encourages the use of transportation with more flexibility. Those are cars.
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Sep 28, 2016 10:15
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Spread out rural towns are also an American thing, to an extent, in countries where villages actually have communal infrastructure, people usually don't need cars for day to day living.
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Sep 28, 2016 10:31
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steinrokkan posted:Spread out rural towns are also an American thing, to an extent, in countries where villages actually have communal infrastructure, people usually don't need cars for day to day living. Though at the same time, cars have led to the disappearance of village infrastructures (local shops killed by the competition from a big mall 30 km away, local schools closed replaced by a school bus leading the kids to a city school 40 km away, etc.), turning villages into "dormitory towns" which are then slowly deserted.
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Sep 28, 2016 10:59
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Cicero posted:Most people do not live in rural areas today. They live cities or suburbs; in both environments it's possible to support walking, biking and transit, but we generally haven't, or at least not well. Luckily that's starting to change for the better as cities are becoming more desirable to the younger generations. Most infrastructure was not set up today either.
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Sep 28, 2016 14:48
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Getting back to nudity chat, is there less of a demand for softcore porn in places where nudity is more common and nonsexual? I mean if seeing a naked lady at a beach is such a ho hum thing then is it redundant in a girlie magazine?
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Sep 28, 2016 15:01
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The entire point of softcore porn is to provide suggestive, titillating scenes. Nonsexual nudity being nonsexual, it doesn't remove the appeal of suggestive stuff. After all, you have many people who find lingerie more arousing than bare naked nudity.
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Sep 28, 2016 15:12
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Cat Mattress posted:The entire point of softcore porn is to provide suggestive, titillating scenes. Nonsexual nudity being nonsexual, it doesn't remove the appeal of suggestive stuff. After all, you have many people who find lingerie more arousing than bare naked nudity. Yeah but I'm more curious on how this is affected by the local culture's attitude on nudity. I assume the more conservative places would lead to sexualizing exposed body parts more. In places where women have to cover their hair constantly, for example, is hair indirectly sexualized by men? Would a woman's hairline be like their cleavage in the US?
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Sep 28, 2016 15:40
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It probably has something to do with the rise and expansion of advertising, and media in general, which makes men and women feel intensely inferior about their bodies. Also, as was said earlier, homosexuality rising to mainstream awareness in the 80s, making men and women afraid to see each other's genitalia, lest they become too interested in seeing and touching each other's genitalia. We simply can't have that in Reagan's America! It is morning after all. Huzanko fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 15:42
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And morning is when you go to work. The bathhouse comes later.
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Sep 28, 2016 16:17
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Panfilo posted:Yeah but I'm more curious on how this is affected by the local culture's attitude on nudity. I assume the more conservative places would lead to sexualizing exposed body parts more. In places where women have to cover their hair constantly, for example, is hair indirectly sexualized by men? Would a woman's hairline be like their cleavage in the US? An Iranian president once claimed that women's hair emits dangerously sexy radiation that renders men unable to control themselves. So yeah, life finds a way.
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Sep 28, 2016 16:23
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TheImmigrant posted:For example? Chest hair, facial hair, etc. It can be a sign of hormonal problems but all women have hair their and some are just unlucky enough to have it be visible. In most cases it's removed quietly without a lot of advertisement.
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Sep 28, 2016 16:32
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So the consensus seems to be that we are more uptight about nudity because of body image issues caused by advertising and this is specifically challenging for Americans because we are fatter than most other countries. How does this explain the kids in my high school gym class who were in great shape yet refused to even consider showering after gym? Really cut people in the USA are still terrified of nudity. I'm not sure we've really found the answer. Although I will admit that very attractive people do seem to be far more comfortable with their own nudity, while still being afraid of it to some extent. So body image certainly does play a roll in this. AARO fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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Sep 29, 2016 05:28
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AARO posted:So the consensus seems to be that we are more uptight about nudity because of body image issues caused by advertising and this is specifically challenging for Americans because we are fatter than most other countries. You can be fit and still have body image issues. You can be fit and still be ashamed of the size of your dick or your breasts being lopsided or not perky enough or whatever, on and on. Being fit just puts you in a different bracket of feeling inferior; it's not binary.
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Sep 29, 2016 06:25
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AARO posted:So the consensus seems to be that we are more uptight about nudity because of body image issues caused by advertising and this is specifically challenging for Americans because we are fatter than most other countries. Regional differences aside I think few if any people showered at my HS because no one did, essentially self-fulfilling. People didn't shower because people didn't shower, and at that age no one is going to risk peer issues to try breaking that trend. This is back in the early 90s. Something presumably started the trend but there never seemed to be a specific pressure not to. At least I think that's what happened, I played football/track so it was the end of the day anyway and showering wasn't an issue because we just went home. And if classes are ~55 minutes, with changing and roll call taking 15 minutes at a minimum, unless you're going running or know how to work out you might not sweat that much.
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Sep 29, 2016 07:25
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Ddraig posted:The US army is pretty big on rape, though. Rape is the army's eighth Core Value.
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Sep 29, 2016 15:38
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AARO posted:So the consensus seems to be that we are more uptight about nudity because of body image issues caused by advertising and this is specifically challenging for Americans because we are fatter than most other countries. Otherwise you'd think nudists would self select for having "hot" bodies. But seeing nude people in person this is definitely not the case.
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Sep 29, 2016 17:30
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Panfilo posted:I've actually found it to be the opposite, at least in open, nude friendly places. Most of the naked people tend to be old and lumpy, not young and fit. I always assumed there are going to be people that get to the point that they just don't care what other people think about their bodies. Naturism isn't about sex, its about some hippy dippy freedom from the shackles of everyday social conventions bullshit and most hippies are old and wrinkled at this point.
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Sep 29, 2016 18:07
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Also it could be that attractive people (women especially), stay away from nudist hangouts due to fears about sexual assault. That's a argument I haven't seen brought up in this thread, the fear of nudity brought about by a fear of opening one's self to assault. I'm not saying "women should cover themselves up as not to tempt men", but the idea that male sexuality is inherently predatory is pervasive in many, many, cultures. Given how 1 in 6 women face sexual assault in their lives, I feel like this thread's narrative of "nudity should not be sexualized", is putting the cart well before the horse.
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A Pale Horse posted:Naturism isn't about sex, its about some hippy dippy freedom from the shackles of everyday social conventions bullshit and most hippies are old and wrinkled at this point. Yeah but taking a shower, changing clothes, relaxing in a sauna, or breastfeeding aren't sexual behaviors either. And I'm willing to bet there is a correlation between age and comfort (this might vary more with breastfeeding, though teen mothers are much less likely to breastfeed period). So a round wrinkly woman is going to care less than a 20 year old slender woman. I don't necessarily know if this applies to guys, but the only people I ever saw walking around the locker room naked like they didn't give a gently caress were old wrinkly dudes.
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