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I think one controversial aspect of it also in regard to children is anxiety about sexual predators. A kid frolicking around naked is assumed to draw more attention from people sexually attracted to children. Americans as a culture can be judgy about parenting and many parents might not want to deal with the implication that they aren't protecting their kids. That and we get weird about puberty. Wife and I were on vacation last year and my wife spotted a girl playing in the hotel swimming pool in just her underwear. She said the girl was just starting to become sexually developed and seeing her without a top of some kind made my wife kind of uncomfortable (not because my wife is grossed out by boobs or anything like that, but rather the fact that she was still a kid but was developing physical traits that were going to give her the wrong kind of attention). Conversely, a guy sunbathing naked in his backyard in view of a neighbors kids second story bedroom window would also draw controversy. Maybe the dude just likes being naked in his backyard, or maybe he only drops trou when he sees the neighbor kid looking at him. Parents could be chill and not make a big deal of it, or they could worry that letting him be naked in front of their kid is a red flag that they're not acting on. Panfilo fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Sep 26, 2016 |
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TheFluff posted:The Swedish army uses unisex changing rooms/showers/toilets/sleeping arrangements etc in the field and used to have them in many places in barracks until recently (last year, IIRC) when some labor legal requirements put a stop to that, at least temporarily. It's generally regarded as something that improves the team spirit, being a show of trust etc. People are usually hesitant in boot camp but staring gets pretty old pretty quickly. It's nothing you haven't seen before. I think the US military is a bit too rapey for that to work here.
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Sep 26, 2016 20:36
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I'm interested in how attitudes about nudity affect body image. Have there been studies done on the relationship between a culture's nudity taboos and the overall satisfaction with a person's own appearance? I'm not talking about the concept of shame for exposing oneself, I'm talking about people finding their bodies sent. Tagging along this question, I'm curious how much porn really shapes our attitudes about nudity. I've often heard women shaved their pubes because women in porn. In places like the US how much of a warped attitude are people getting from porn exactly? Since people in the US are less likely to see casual nudity (women breastfeeding, spas, locker rooms, beaches) I wonder if their expectations of having the 'right' body are warped.
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Sep 27, 2016 22:41
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shame on an IGA posted:We have an entire cottage industry of picture books intended to show women that their labia aren't weird and they don't need surgery. Ddraig posted:Also anal bleaching is a thing, which is literally something that would never exist if people had a healthy body image. This is another thing I'm regretfully aware of. But again, how ubiquitous is this kind of thing? I always figured with vaginas and anuses that by the time a person got to the point of seeing it, any deviations from porn point they're seeing this they're really not going to care either way, so how many people are really getting their assholes bleached? And honest question: is this less or more of an issue for gay men than it is for straight men? Owlofcreamcheese posted:pubes nothing, there is whole areas of the body that men are so unaware that women shave that they think a women is somehow sick if she has hair there. Like not morally "sick", physically ill. Again also aware of. I guess my curiosity is this : is there a correlation between between hirsute bodies and nudity taboos? I know body hair in a lot of cultures is assumed to be a masculine trait, but in cultures where they see everything hanging and flopping about are women still expected to be less hairy than men in certain places? And again, how much of this is REALLY a dealbreaker to men in these cultures?
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Sep 28, 2016 00:57
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Getting back to nudity chat, is there less of a demand for softcore porn in places where nudity is more common and nonsexual? I mean if seeing a naked lady at a beach is such a ho hum thing then is it redundant in a girlie magazine?
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Sep 28, 2016 15:01
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Cat Mattress posted:The entire point of softcore porn is to provide suggestive, titillating scenes. Nonsexual nudity being nonsexual, it doesn't remove the appeal of suggestive stuff. After all, you have many people who find lingerie more arousing than bare naked nudity. Yeah but I'm more curious on how this is affected by the local culture's attitude on nudity. I assume the more conservative places would lead to sexualizing exposed body parts more. In places where women have to cover their hair constantly, for example, is hair indirectly sexualized by men? Would a woman's hairline be like their cleavage in the US?
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Sep 28, 2016 15:40
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AARO posted:So the consensus seems to be that we are more uptight about nudity because of body image issues caused by advertising and this is specifically challenging for Americans because we are fatter than most other countries. Otherwise you'd think nudists would self select for having "hot" bodies. But seeing nude people in person this is definitely not the case.
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Sep 29, 2016 17:30
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A Pale Horse posted:Naturism isn't about sex, its about some hippy dippy freedom from the shackles of everyday social conventions bullshit and most hippies are old and wrinkled at this point. Yeah but taking a shower, changing clothes, relaxing in a sauna, or breastfeeding aren't sexual behaviors either. And I'm willing to bet there is a correlation between age and comfort (this might vary more with breastfeeding, though teen mothers are much less likely to breastfeed period). So a round wrinkly woman is going to care less than a 20 year old slender woman. I don't necessarily know if this applies to guys, but the only people I ever saw walking around the locker room naked like they didn't give a gently caress were old wrinkly dudes.
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Sep 29, 2016 20:04
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PT6A posted:That doesn't explain why guys exhibit the same apparent fear of nudity in male-only spaces (unless they are afraid gay people will attack them and rape them or something...?). Homophobia, I believe.
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Sep 29, 2016 20:22
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So why does it matter if they're looking at your dick? Just keep yourself at eye level.
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Sep 29, 2016 20:30
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Andy Warhol proves that men in the 60's preferred their women painted in multicolor. Nobody describes women as "Warholesque" but Reubens' work did inspire a description of a particular body type in women.
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Sep 30, 2016 20:13
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A trend I've been noticing in films with regard to nudity is a reversing of how we associate male and female nudity. Now, for a long time male nudity was seen as comical, the punchline to a joke, while female nudity was seen as sexual (we had discussed this in a thread about film censorship). If you saw a guy's butt, it was humorous, but a girl's butt was meant to have very different associations. Recent films have switched this around. Films are now showing more male nudity in a much more sexual way (split second wiener shot in 50 shades of Gray, for example). Female nudity is now being played up more for gags (Both Mike and Dave need Wedding dates and Bad Moms feature women with excessive pubic hair as a gag). The former also has a scene where a woman gets an 'erotic' massage which consists of the masseuse doing all sorts of goofy stuff to the bride's butt, which is supposed to be erotic but its obviously plays for laughs *rubs butts together*. I think this is kind of significant because up until recently it seemed like the only way you had female nudity as a gag in a film is if the woman in question had the 'wrong' body type (There's Something About Mary where the PI sees the landlady's wrinkly tits by mistake), if the woman is old or very fat. So for example Melissa Mcarthy could theoretically have a scene where she's naked and fighting with another woman, crashing through some conference room AKA Borat, but it would be the fact that she's fat that would make it funny; if she was skinny the same scene would seem much more sexual. SImilarly, it would probably be much harder for people to associate a scene in a film where an older or heavier nude woman was played up in an erotic context. The reason I think this is significant is because we tend to sexualize bodies very differently. Nudity in young, thin women get sexualized far, far more than fat or old women, and I think its part of why people get so creepy and/or judgemental about a woman breastfeeding in public (if she has a baby, then she's on the younger side of things, so any 'implied' nudity or exposure is seen as much more sexual to some people). This might also be the reason I tend to see typically older, heavier women being more comfortable in nude-friendly spaces; society sexualizes them much less and so they're probably less likely to get gawked at. Americans tie up a lot of sexuality to nudity itself, but keep in mind this is often limited to their own 'ideal' looks.
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Excellent point on #1. I think a lot of guys are so accustomed to seeing women as these hairless entities they assume that it must be a variation of their natural state. Sure, some women are less hairy than others, but it isn't always obvious. A fair skinned blonde haired woman might be able to get away with skipping shaving her legs for a bit. But a woman with dense , dark hair could have a fastidious shaving regimen yet still have noticeable stubble in some places. Some ethnicities also have noticeably dark 'peach fuzz' (vellus hair?). We have this hair all over our bodies, the back of our neck, our forearms, around our belly, our cheeks, etc. If a woman happens to have really dark peach fuzz, should she shave it off, bleach it or just say gently caress arbitrary beauty standards? On some women, this hair is 'invisible', so it's not even that they're less hairy. But when seeing those two women side by side, the dark haired woman is going to just appear more hairy and people will make all sorts of cultural assumptions about each. Hell, hairy legs and armpits in cartoons and whatnot are often meant to depict women as being unkempt at the moment.
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Oct 7, 2016 07:57
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Noam Chomsky posted:I've seen this said elsewhere, and I've even seen a dumb little comic that says the same, but it's pretty stupid to make claims about what is objectively attractive. You're doing the same thing you claim the media does, but regarding a different "type." You really don't see a pattern? With the trend toward dad bods being appealing and the fact that women don't hold men to nearly the same standard it makes sense that the Mr universe look is something other guys respond to, not women. Did bodybuilding get popular because women found huge muscles attractive, or because men thought they were?
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Animal-Mother posted:Well if you're nude, someone could walk right up and grab your pussy. You don't even have to be nude for this to happen. I had an ex who liked to go clubbing and she said every now and then she'd get some drunken clod reach down and grab her crotch area under her skirt. I know women get unwanted touching all the time but I figured it was in the boobie reigion not a full-on clam grab.
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