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vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Speaking as a bi dude with BDD and recovering from bulemia who has networked with the same, people like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, Ryan Gosling, or even loving Nev from Catfish or Barack Obama are the sort of ideal male bodies society is pushing. Male body issues are way more about lean vs. chub than muscles. The discussion has moved on a bit but holy laffo @ presenting Pitt-in-his-prime as, in any way, unconventially attractive or something guys don't want to be.

FWIW, while I absolutely agree that women have far more pressure placed on them to look conventionally attractive, for males with body issues there is frustratingly little support. Almost everything discussing bulemia is aimed at young women, and even seeking help is often met with "you're a guy, you can be weird looking, no one cares." True, maybe, but not much support for young males who feel inadequate and end up binging and purging.

Being huge and buff is presented as cool, manly, badass, whatever, I'll concede, but in terms of "men people want to gently caress" it's all tall, tight, lean dudes with abs but also ribs, not Arnies. Speaking of, god help you if you're a guy with body issues who is also short.

vintagepurple fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Oct 21, 2016

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vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Wasn't that the exact original point? That in media girls are the girl's men want to gently caress and men are the men men want to be.

If a movie wants a cool male badass they get a cool badass looking dude but if they want a badass women they hire a supermodel.

What men would actually choose to be a Gears of War megahulk instead of Ryan Gosling? What's the ratio of Mr. Olympias:Ryan Goslings in terms of leading men?

For drat near 30 years the ideal dude has been someone people want to gently caress. Male gaze is a real thing and a problem but in TYOOL 2016 men in media are absolutely more eye candy than power fantasy-- even poo poo like 300 and Marvel movies cast dudes who are at most halfway between Rambo and Tyler Durden.

vintagepurple fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Oct 21, 2016

vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

woke wedding drone posted:

Both Ryan Gosling and Brad Pitt in Fight Club would be freakishly bulky and defined by the standards of previous generations.

If "previous generations" only goes as far back as early modern europeans

Like conquistadors wrote of 1500s natives "woah, dudes are toned and beautiful"

vintagepurple
Jan 31, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Men who star in modern action and drama films that are not "tall and lean but fit" and would not be generally considered fuckable by anyone into loving men:

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