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Tres Burritos posted:As a Minnesotan who's been disappointed by the vikings my entire life and hasn't really started watching football (regularly) until the past 3 seasons I have a question: really good.
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Darth Brooks posted:Look at this https://fat.gfycat.com/ShortVastHawaiianmonkseal.webm
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I'm still curious what the Vikings are going to do long term once Bridgewater is healthy. It seems like Bradford is the obvious answer, but I wonder how much loyalty is in play here.
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Aniki posted:Jake Long All they need now is Fred Jackson and Ochocinco!  Kirios posted:I'm still curious what the Vikings are going to do long term once Bridgewater is healthy. It seems like Bradford is the obvious answer, but I wonder how much loyalty is in play here. Honestly? They need to pick Romo up. Three glass hammers might be enough to get you through a whole season. Chichevache fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Kirios posted:I'm still curious what the Vikings are going to do long term once Bridgewater is healthy. It seems like Bradford is the obvious answer, but I wonder how much loyalty is in play here. It's hard to say. Bradford has played very well, but he's only started 4 games so far. The good thing is that his contract runs through next season ($17 million option), so they will have two seasons to evaluate him. With Teddy, he's recovering from a major injury. There is a good chance that he won't be ready to play at the start of next season and it is difficult to say if he will be the same once he has recovered. He played well for two seasons behind a bad offensive line in a Peterson-centric offense and leading up to the season it looked like he was ready to jump to the next level. The factors in the decision will be whether Bridgewater can make a full-recovery, how well Bradford is playing, how good the coaches think Bridgewater is, age, health, potential contracts, and possibly tradability if they try to recoup the picks they moved. If those factors are close, then you go with Teddy, but if Bradford is clearly better or Teddy cannot make a full recovery, then you go with Bradford. The good thing is that Vikings have most of two seasons left to evaluate their options and make an informed decision. As for loyalty with Teddy, the coaches, front-office, and his teammates all seem to think very highly of him. By all accounts he's an exceptional person, works extremely hard, and does everything asked of him. He's not the type of person that you worry about getting in trouble off the field and he's the type of person you want being the face of your franchise. If things are close, they would stay with Teddy, but the impression I get is that Bradford has some similar qualities to Teddy, but I'm not too familiar with him as a person at this stage. Also, another interesting point is that the Vikings aren't running the same offense with Bradford as they were with Bridgewater and Peterson. Here's a good article breaking down some of the changes the Vikings made to accommodate Bradford and because they were no longer bound to a run heavy Peterson-centric offense. It's a topic I can go into deeper at some point, but when you compare Bridgewater and Bradford, just realize that they are running a much more QB friendly scheme for Bradford. http://presnapreads.com/2016/10/07/sam-bradford-norv-turner-and-embracing-diversity/
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Tres Burritos posted:As a Minnesotan who's been disappointed by the vikings my entire life and hasn't really started watching football (regularly) until the past 3 seasons I have a question: Going into the season a lot of people in the media were talking about him as a top 5 coach in the league and given what he's done so far, he's moved up that list. He easily their best coach since Denny Green. He's completely changed the culture of the team, they have done a great job developing players under him, and he routinely out-coaches opposing teams. The Vikings had some good defenses under Leslie Frazier, but those were mainly based off of having a good pass rush, the defense that Zimmer has built is strong on all three levels and schematically he's the best in the game at confusing QBs at the line of scrimmage and playing their strengths against them. If you look at the QBs they've played this year, they've all looked confused and afraid going up against the Vikings defense. One really impressive thing is that they change a lot of their defense from game to game, so against Carolina they were very aggressive and playing man coverage, against the Giants they held back, played more zone, and forced Manning to get rid of the ball quickly and make bad decisions. Here are two videos that do a decent job of explaining why Zimmer's defenses are so good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYj8FKwmSvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdUe-0ZmWv8 Aniki fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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But does Bridgewater look like a little kid playing dress up in his older brothers pads like Bradford though?
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Kirios posted:I'm still curious what the Vikings are going to do long term once Bridgewater is healthy. It seems like Bradford is the obvious answer, but I wonder how much loyalty is in play here. I'm pretty sure you don't trade a first and fourth (that can turn into a second) for a replacement QB if you think Teddy can play next year. There's probably a significant chance that Teddy never plays again, but either way I really doubt that we'll know until 2018 and I bet if Bradford plays well this and next year they re-sign him just in case.
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I'm also of the opinion that the Vikes don't expect Bridgewater to be back next season, maybe midseason at best. If that were the case and Bradford was doing at least okay, then I would expect them to stick with Bradford while shaking off Bridgewater's rust in practice for half a season.
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https://twitter.com/1500ESPN/status/785495903423565824 Currently at 42-42-16
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Every poll should have a Brett Favre option
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Is it too late to add one to the election?
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Tres Burritos posted:As a Minnesotan who's been disappointed by the vikings my entire life and hasn't really started watching football (regularly) until the past 3 seasons I have a question: Zimmer is amazing. He's easily a top 5 coach in the league. I mean jesus christ, he turned around one of the worst defenses to one of the best...with six of his starters holdovers from the previous regime.
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Zimmer is still the only good Bengal that has walked this earth
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Burginator posted:The Minnesota Vikings Will Win The Super Bowl I am fine with this series of events.
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Aniki posted:Here are two videos that do a decent job of explaining why Zimmer's defenses are so good. As someone who doesn't know football good those are super interesting. Today I learned new sports lingo.
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Tres Burritos posted:As someone who doesn't know football good those are super interesting. I'm glad you enjoyed them. They definitely give you an appreciation for how good Zimmer's defense is and why it works.
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Oct 10, 2016 19:11
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Zimmer only didn't a job years ago because he's an intense dude. He's a great get for the Vikings, and might be in the top three best coaches in the league, and only because Belichick exists I guess and there's someone else I'm probably forgetting.
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big juicy nectarine posted:Zimmer only didn't a job years ago because he's an intense dude. He's a great get for the Vikings, and might be in the top three best coaches in the league, and only because Belichick exists I guess and there's someone else I'm probably forgetting. Hahahahahahaha...I remember when someone mentioned to him in a press conference that Cordarrelle Patterson was complaining about not getting targets and he said "Well then he should probably work on getting open, then."
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I hope his shtick wears off like Jim Harbaugh's or Bruce Arians's (God willing).
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Pretty sure it was his first season during training camp that Xavier Rhodes made a diving interception. When someone asked for Zimmer's reaction to it during a press conference he basically said that if Rhodes had been in the correct position he wouldn't have been a difficult play to get the pick. That would be the same year that Zimmer got choked up in the end-of-year press conference talking about about how Rhodes came up to him in the locker room and "thanked me for making him good". Zimmer owns.
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Tres Burritos posted:As someone who doesn't know football good those are super interesting. The guy who made them is a Texans fan, and they invited him to Norse Code podcast to talk both teams before this week's game. It's good stuff.
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pigdog posted:The guy who made them is a Texans fan, and they invited him to Norse Code podcast to talk both teams before this week's game. It's good stuff. Man I am super curious how he felt during the game last time, haha They should do a followup interview. EDIT: oh what the gently caress, they totally stole my name for their podcast!!
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Status update on the Chargers offense of August: bless you
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Eagle RT Lane Johnson's suspension has been upheld. Vikings/Eagles is going to be a quarterback thunderdome.
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I'm curious how often they'll get to Wentz, given how much of the Eagles offense is using short, quick passes right now.
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WHOOPS posted:I'm curious how often they'll get to Wentz, given how much of the Eagles offense is using short, quick passes right now. I would imagine it would be a similar game plan to what they used against Manning. More zone coverage, less aggressive on the pass rush, and just try to make Wentz uncomfortable in the pocket and make mistakes instead of trying to accumulate hits. I would also think that the Vikings will show him a lot of complicated looks to bait him into making poor decisions. My main concern for that game will be the Eagles knowledge of Bradford. Will they be able to use that against him and cause mistakes? I guess that can go both ways too, since Bradford would be very familiar with their defense. The Vikings signed Jake Long today. Not expecting him to be anywhere near the player he once was, but he's experienced and has played for Sparano before, so I think they can get him up to speed quickly and hopefully he can provide quality depth at OT. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they signed one more OL and moved Beavers back to the practice squad, though the Vikings are very close to the cap and I am not sure how that works with minimum contracts, even prorated ones like Long signed.
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Aniki posted:I would imagine it would be a similar game plan to what they used against Manning. More zone coverage, less aggressive on the pass rush, and just try to make Wentz uncomfortable in the pocket and make mistakes instead of trying to accumulate hits. I would also think that the Vikings will show him a lot of complicated looks to bait him into making poor decisions. My main concern for that game will be the Eagles knowledge of Bradford. Will they be able to use that against him and cause mistakes? I guess that can go both ways too, since Bradford would be very familiar with their defense. That sounds like the better plan. Wentz's numbers seem to go up to almost perfect when he is blitzed. I don't think familiarity will go very far either way. The Eagles know Bradford mostly from Chip Kelly's moronic offense. If the Vikings decide to run the read option then I don't think Bradford will be successful in freezing the backside defender, but I doubt that will come into play. Likewise, Bradford mostly knows the Eagles defense from when Kelly was playing almost everyone out of position in a 3-4.
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Aniki posted:I'm glad you enjoyed them. They definitely give you an appreciation for how good Zimmer's defense is and why it works. I mean his analysis is cool and all but this is a guy who made a video about how Ryan Mallett was going to be a monster for the Texans, and then made a video about how Brock Osweiler was going to be a monster for the Texans
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Aniki posted:I would imagine it would be a similar game plan to what they used against Manning. More zone coverage, less aggressive on the pass rush, and just try to make Wentz uncomfortable in the pocket and make mistakes instead of trying to accumulate hits. I would also think that the Vikings will show him a lot of complicated looks to bait him into making poor decisions. My main concern for that game will be the Eagles knowledge of Bradford. Will they be able to use that against him and cause mistakes? I guess that can go both ways too, since Bradford would be very familiar with their defense. If they need more room, they can always renegotiate a contract and give the cut money back as a bonus with someone, though the Vikings absolutely hate doing that. Plus, Heinicke isn't a lock for the main roster when he comes back so who knows. They have the room for a couple vet minimum contracts, but with all the people dropping like flies it could get a little interesting.
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Brockenstein posted:I mean his analysis is cool and all but this is a guy who made a video about how Ryan Mallett was going to be a monster for the Texans, and then made a video about how Brock Osweiler was going to be a monster for the Texans He is a Texans homer, but he's also a producer for the NFL Network. He may get carried away at times, but he still does a good job of explaining some concepts that the media usually doesn't cover too well.
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Honestly im more curious as to how the Eagles are going to attacl the MN Defense. The Titans got good production out of using their RBs in the passing game and the Giants also took advantage of that for albeit minimal production. The Texans attempted to so the same but the MN LBs had a phenonimal game in coverage and that derailed the only real avenue of attack for them. I expect them to try to establish Mathews as much as they can, but I see them eventually turning to Sproles as their main back for the game. As far as the MN D as stated above, look for them to continue to disguise coverages and to take away Wentz' 1st look on plays to allow the pass rush to make him uncomfortable and maybe make mistakes.
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NotWearingPants posted:That sounds like the better plan. Wentz's numbers seem to go up to almost perfect when he is blitzed. Yeah, that is one of the things I really like about the Vikings defense. They can shut down teams being aggressive, but they've shown they can be just as effective playing zone and disrupting quick passing offenses. I would expect them to disguise coverages (e.g. show a Cover 1 and drop into a Cover 2), have Munnerlyn follow the slot receiver aacross formation even though the D is actually zone, and try to do things where they try to dictate that a read looks open and then take it away. Zimmer is great at using a QBs strengths against them, so it will be interesting to see how Zimmer uses Wentz's quick passing against him. Aniki fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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OxySnake posted:Honestly im more curious as to how the Eagles are going to attacl the MN Defense. Kendricks had an awful game against the Giants, but bounced back with a strong game against the Texans. If he plays well against the Eagles, then it would go a long way in minimizing the effectiveness of their backs in the passing game. Having two extremely athletic linebackers who are good in coverage in Barr and Kendricks is one of the key things that makes Zimmer's scheme work.
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