UKMT Halloween 2016: 2spooky4EU

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jabby: Oct 27, 2010

An excerpt from Alastair Campbell's latest article:

Alastair Campbell posted:

In one meeting I had with Gordon at his home in Fife, in late March 2005, he said that Tony's choice agenda in public services was leading one of two ways � to future Labour leaders rolling it back as the only way of holding the party together, or a future Tory government going full steam ahead to genuine privatisation. Maybe we are ending up with both.

Or to put it another way, even Gordon Brown in 2005 recognised that the New Labour approach to public services was a dead end that might win in the short term but would eventually lead to total failure.

e: 2004, Russia stops recognising Soviet Union passports as legal identification, regardless of colour.

jabby fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Oct 1, 2016

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Jippa: Feb 13, 2009

Angepain posted:

his main strategy seems to be getting shitfaced on beer for the public so this might not translate to trump

In the US that whole shouty, finger pointy style goes down really well with that type of voter.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 19:20

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Guavanaut posted:

And those 'immigrants' back then were British Subjects, or post 1949 Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC) which thankfully doesn't get wordfiltered, with the right to live and work anywhere they wanted on British soil, they didn't just get on the Windrush without passports for shits and giggles, they had the absolute backing of law to move from the British West Indies to the British mainland.

And one of the first things to happen after the Monday Club's 1962 Commonwealth Immigrants Act was Jamaica saying get hosed and declaring independence.

Tories pushed away what they used to call their Jewel of the Caribbean because they were scared of black people.

let's be clear here - Jamaica was going to declare independence regardless, and it was one of the more stable colonial polities to do so

but many other parts of the empire were not so stable and had significant demographics with British affiliations, and not all of these demographics were the white settlers that the Monday Clubbers cared about so intensely

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MrL_JaKiri: Sep 23, 2003; A bracing glass of carrot juice!

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A reminder of a simpler time

# ? Oct 1, 2016 19:37

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

Guavanaut posted:

And those 'immigrants' back then were British Subjects, or post 1949 Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC) which thankfully doesn't get wordfiltered, with the right to live and work anywhere they wanted on British soil, they didn't just get on the Windrush without passports for shits and giggles, they had the absolute backing of law to move from the British West Indies to the British mainland.

And one of the first things to happen after the Monday Club's 1962 Commonwealth Immigrants Act was Jamaica saying get hosed and declaring independence.

Tories pushed away what they used to call their Jewel of the Caribbean because they were scared of black people.

Yes and then Labour passed the 68 act to complete the process the Tories started

# ? Oct 1, 2016 19:38

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Guavanaut posted:

Tories pushed away what they used to call their Jewel of the Caribbean because they were scared of black people.

We did it again when 6 million Hong Kong Chinese, having built their adopted home from a tiny rural backwater into a rich, high-tech global city in less than 50 years, thought that being British subjects might mean they had some actual rights to live here in case things went south after the handover. Instead we fobbed them off with a special second-class citizens' passport called a BNO (or "doorstop") because who would want a bunch of highly educated, highly motivated people to move to your country? So they all looked around for less racist places and mostly got Canadian passports instead

# ? Oct 1, 2016 19:38

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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ronya posted:

let's be clear here - Jamaica was going to declare independence regardless, and it was one of the more stable colonial polities to do so

It would probably have been later and a lot more amicable if mainland Britain hadn't been such shits to the Windrush generation though.

kustomkarkommando posted:

Yes and then Labour passed the 68 act to complete the process the Tories started

That one was particularly odious because it was mostly put in place to stop Indians fleeing or being driven out of Africa due to Indophobia. It enjoyed popular cross party support. :marc:

Zephro posted:

We did it again when 6 million Hong Kong Chinese, having built their adopted home from a tiny rural backwater into a rich, high-tech global city in less than 50 years, thought that being British subjects might mean they had some actual rights to live here in case things went south after the handover. Instead we fobbed them off with a special second-class citizens' passport called a BNO (or "doorstop") because who would want a bunch of highly educated, highly motivated people to move to your country? So they all looked around for less racist places and mostly got Canadian passports instead

Wasn't there some kind of plan to rebuild Hong Kong in Northern Ireland?

# ? Oct 1, 2016 19:48

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Guavanaut posted:

It would probably have been later and a lot more amicable if mainland Britain hadn't been such shits to the Windrush generation though.

well, being less poo poo is nice on principle. I would regard it as self-evident that removing the most British-friendly, RN/RAF-affiliated households to the UK would tend to expedite nationalism, though, not diminish it

as it stands Jamaica remained friendly to the UK, especially relative to colonial possessions released more grudgingly later

# ? Oct 1, 2016 19:59

tooterfish: Jul 13, 2013

Zephro posted:

We did it again when 6 million Hong Kong Chinese, having built their adopted home from a tiny rural backwater into a rich, high-tech global city in less than 50 years, thought that being British subjects might mean they had some actual rights to live here in case things went south after the handover. Instead we fobbed them off with a special second-class citizens' passport called a BNO (or "doorstop") because who would want a bunch of highly educated, highly motivated people to move to your country? So they all looked around for less racist places and mostly got Canadian passports instead

This isn't really fair, the PRC made repeated threats of invasion if we didn't gently caress over Hong Kong.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 20:10

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Vengeance of Pandas posted:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/781852364651114496

Jesus Christ.

there's exactly three good items in there, about a dozen meh items, and the rest are horrible

in that regard it accurately sums up brexit

# ? Oct 1, 2016 20:19

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

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thespaceinvader posted:

WHy the gently caress does anyone care what colour their passport is?

Because you're pass port defines who you are as a person, that is, a subject of Her Britannic Majesty the Queen, who shall be allowed to pass freely without let or hindrance, and be afforded such assistance and protection as may be necessary, by all countries inferior to ARE BRITANE (which is all countries that aren't ARE BRITANE). How dare Krauts and Frogs demand this most Britannic of documents bear foreign terms like "European Union", be in a colour other than Blue, and conform to continental and decidedly un-British standards.

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# ? Oct 1, 2016 20:26

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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blowfish posted:

there's exactly three good items in there

MPs can't blame EU, fewer chemicals restrictions, and the freedom to have neon yellow passports?

# ? Oct 1, 2016 20:27

HorseLord: Aug 26, 2014

jabby posted:

e: 2004, Russia stops recognising Soviet Union passports as legal identification, regardless of colour.

only de jure until 2011, when the courts ruled that they're still valid. This never stopped people actually using them.

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suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

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Guavanaut posted:

MPs can't blame EU, fewer chemicals restrictions, and the freedom to have neon yellow passports?

GMOs, chemicals, and I think I initially agreed with no butter mountains but on second thought that's just short for "agricultural policy will be worse in new and previously unimagined ways" so i change that answer to better futbol.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 20:32

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

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That list was totally missing item 101 though, "100% instead of 95% of bread same as stale cardboard in nutrition and taste"

# ? Oct 1, 2016 20:34

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Yeah, the GMOs one is good too. GMOs, chemicals, and neon yellow passports then, because lol if they really think that MPs will stop blaming the EU just because the UK left.

Gonna get me some GloFish.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 20:35

Wolfsbane: Jul 29, 2009; What time is it, Eccles?

So, anyone remember that middle class woman who was shocked that the Tories were going after her instead of the scroungers? Well, looks like the pensioners are next.

quote:

Alex Wild, a research director at the Taxpayers� Alliance, a think tank that campaigns for lower taxes, said the Government must not wait to make cuts to benefits such as the winter fuel allowance, free bus pass, free TV licence and the Christmas bonus for the over 65s.

The former Tory Defence Secretary Liam Fox, speaking at the same fringe event at the Conservative party conference, agreed, saying the Government must take advantage of the �great opportunity� of a weak opposition to push through unpopular decisions, �however unpalatable they will be�.

He added that older people would understand the need to cut the deficit and help the future generation.

quote:

Mr Wild said there were two reasons why the Government should make the cuts to pensioner benefits �as soon as possible after an election� .

"The first of which will sound a little bit morbid - some of the people... won't be around to vote against you in the next election,� he said. �So that's just a practical point, and the other point is they might have forgotten by then.

"If you did it now, chances are that in 2020 someone who has had their winter fuel cut might be thinking, 'Oh I can't remember, was it this government or was it the last one? I'm not quite sure.'

# ? Oct 1, 2016 20:42

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Wolfsbane posted:

So, anyone remember that middle class woman who was shocked that the Tories were going after her instead of the scroungers? Well, looks like the pensioners are next.

It's fascinating to hear a Tory's inner dialogue actually being spoken out loud.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 20:48

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

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Wolfsbane posted:

So, anyone remember that middle class woman who was shocked that the Tories were going after her instead of the scroungers? Well, looks like the pensioners are next.

Well yes, this makes perfect sense if your only goal in politics is to accumulate more power while becoming richer.

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Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Benefits to pensioners should be means tested!

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:02

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

gently caress the pensioners, frankly, they're the ones who got us into this mess.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:02

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

I think we should love and respect our old people. God willing, one day we will all be old. Treat them as we wish to be treated ourselves.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:11

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

I think we should love and respect our old people. God willing, one day we will all be old. Treat them as we wish to be treated ourselves.

Yes, with means tested benefits

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:17

XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

all old people except my grandparents need to get in the sea

or stop voting to make things worse, either or really

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:19

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

NO MORE FISHING QUOTAS.

Followed by no more fish. Mission accomplished.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:19

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

I'm pretty sure that pensions and pension benefits are the biggest part of the welfare budget, so means testing benefits for pensioners is good.

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JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

You could increase the welfare budget

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:28

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Actual Brexit plans starting to emerge now with some interesting stuff in the last few tweets from @faisalislam and @ShippersUnbound.

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/782300896348823552

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:28

Zohar: Jul 14, 2013; Good kitty

Looks like the rumour I posted back in June is correct and they are going to transpose the full corpus of EU law into British law (or as much as possible).

quote:

David Davis, the Secretary of State for Brexit, said the government will "take a simple approach" over changes to legislation.

He said: "EU law will be transposed into domestic law, wherever practical, on exit day.

"It will be for elected politicians here to make the changes to reflect the outcome of our negotiation and our exit."

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:41

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

JFairfax posted:

You could increase the welfare budget

I don't think it's an affront to socialist thinking to suggest that wealthy pensioners should pay for bus passes and tv licenses

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:49

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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Namtab posted:

I don't think it's an affront to socialist thinking to suggest that wealthy pensioners should pay for bus passes and tv licenses

means testing benefits adds a whole lot of bureaucracy for minimal gains

Namtab posted:

I hope the bears eat the rich

I don't know how that typo got there but I also hope this

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Oct 1, 2016

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:50

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Pissflaps posted:

Actual Brexit plans starting to emerge now with some interesting stuff in the last few tweets from @faisalislam and @ShippersUnbound.

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/782300896348823552

So if I read that right they are going to repeal the European Communities Act, but any repeal won't take effect until the day we formally leave the EU.

Wouldn't that be essentially asking parliament to vote on our exit, something she specifically said wouldn't be happening? Not to mention meaningless if it doesn't take effect until Article 50 ends.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:51

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Spangly A posted:

means testing benefits adds a whole lot of bearocracy for minimal gains

I hope the bears eat the rich

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:52

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Namtab posted:

I don't think it's an affront to socialist thinking to suggest that wealthy pensioners should pay for bus passes and tv licenses

It's the sort of thing that costs more to enforce, plus it's not like rich pensioners use the bus

And does the BBC get money from the "free TV license" or do they just not have to pay

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:57

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

didn't they change it so that the BBC would have to pay for the free licences?

# ? Oct 1, 2016 21:59

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

Wolfsbane posted:

"If you did it now, chances are that in 2020 someone who has had their winter fuel cut might dead."

Fixed.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 22:00

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

JFairfax posted:

It's the sort of thing that costs more to enforce, plus it's not like rich pensioners use the bus

And does the BBC get money from the "free TV license" or do they just not have to pay

If I remember correctly the BBC has to pick up the cost of it.

# ? Oct 1, 2016 22:00