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PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

quote:

A social game called The Magical Girl Raising Project allows one in tens of thousands of people to be a "magical girl" — possessing extraordinary physical capabilities and looks, as well as special magical powers that set them apart from the rest of the human race. But one day, in a district containing 16 magical girls, the administration announces that it must halve the number of magical girls to solve the problem of magical energy. At first, the 16 magical girls race to collect more "magical candy" than their competitors, but the rules quickly become twisted, and it quickly becomes a murderous battle for survival among them.

(Source: ANN)

First episode seemed alright. Decent quality. Good ending. Anyone going to give this thing a try?

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

PerrineClostermann posted:




First episode seemed alright. Decent quality. Good ending. Anyone going to give this thing a try?

I'm watching it. I like that it's establishing the characters and making me care about them before the bloodbath starts.

I do worry that they won't be able to cram a conflict with 16 combatants into 12 episodes, though. Fate/Zero had a comparable number and took 25 episodes. Then again, here the idea is that only half the cast will die, rather than a full Highlander scenario. It also helps that the characters are young enough and presumably from normal enough backgrounds that their characterization won't require long flashbacks.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Oct 4, 2016

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

PerrineClostermann posted:




First episode seemed alright. Decent quality. Good ending. Anyone going to give this thing a try?

I liked the first ep. Felt the pacing was good. Concept is sound, and there's plenty of interesting relationships being set up early on.

Really it's going to come down to the execution of the premise in the upcoming episodes, so I am cautiously optimistic for now.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
A few people called it Battle Royale. A few others called it Dangan Ronpa.

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

PerrineClostermann posted:

A few people called it Battle Royale. A few others called it Dangan Ronpa.

Both of those comparisons are surface level, since the only thing we know so far is school-kids have to compete against each other, and almost certainly some of them will die.

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!
It's gonna be Mirai Nikki

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014

by Games Forum
Magical Girl Raising Project(portmanteau when??)'s first episode blew me away with how good it was. In the opinion of someone who watches marathons' worth of standard magical girl shows like precure, it hit a bunch of my points absurdly well, and I didn't even expect it because I was just going into this thinking about a late-night LN adapation with battle-royale elements. But the protagonist is your perfect "heart big enough to love everything on the planet" mahou shoujo protag—an adorable girl who's unsure of herself and you can hear it in her voice (Touyama Nao!!!) but is a hopeless romantic who spends her first day on the job saving a cat from a tree and helping the elderly.

The art style is way prettier in animation than I thought it looked on the promo art, so I was being amazed by that as well. Super colorful, good designs. The classic "she's strangely attracted to the dark, mysterious girl and can't tell why" part came up and that's my weak point. and that's not even the best part, which is actually the reveal with her childhood friend. nice.

If they wanted to give the first episode a quintessential magical-girl feeling so that upturning it would be that much more effective in the coming episodes or whatever, well, it worked on me. Awesome ep.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Yeah magirapro is a good anim and 1/2 of the namtab picks for the season. Can't wait for the blood to flow.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Namtab posted:

Yeah magirapro is a good anim and 1/2 of the namtab picks for the season. Can't wait for the blood to flow.

I am oddly interested in hearing more about Namtab's selection of anime.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

PerrineClostermann posted:

I am oddly interested in hearing more about Namtab's selection of anime.

Please refer to the op of the season thread, op

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

as someone who does not have the reference points young japanese girls do, this seems p good.

ComicsandSlushies
Feb 22, 2013
so the first death happened, I was expecting it to be a lot gorier than it was.

Demicol
Nov 8, 2009

Well the stakes are set now, can't wait when the others find out what's the result for "dropping out". That probably won't be next episode but who knows.

Demicol fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Oct 8, 2016

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

ComicsandSlushies posted:

so the first death happened, I was expecting it to be a lot gorier than it was.

Better not have been mai guyfu

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

they made one character the cutest and gave them the most potentially interesting power, and then immediately took them away. effed up.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

(02) So the question is: how was Madoka able to setup its premise so well, leading into more and more reveals of the truth, while this show setup its premise so poorly?

I think it comes down to two things. First, the characterization of the "bad guy", i.e the Kyubey character. Something feels contrived and forced in this show, especially when Fav says "I miscalculated". Like, really? What is that even supposed to mean? How is that even possible? Why would doubting the capability as a logistics organizer make sense for Fav? And if we're being setup to doubt Fav, this was such a dumb way to do it.

And second, not a single question or stray thought goes into analysis. No one asks "why?"? No one bothers to ask why they have to pay the consequence for Fav's fuckup? No one bothers to ask or even mentally consider what could happen if you got last? Like there's not even a mention of what the character's assumptions are, e.g. "oh well, I guess we just get fired and go back to normal life". It's like the show just hamfisted the premise to get to the part where the magical girls kill each other, and assumes the audience is too stupid to think about it so they just made this shallow premise without explanation and then they're all set.


Like I get the whole thing about trying to hold things back from an audience to generate drama, but something is just wrong at the core of how this show is designed and executed.

tl;dr: The low chance that they had to turn this show into something great, let alone above par, has all but evaporated. The writing and editing need to be super tight to pull this off, and right now it's unraveling.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

AnacondaHL posted:

(02) So the question is: how was Madoka able to setup its premise so well, leading into more and more reveals of the truth, while this show setup its premise so poorly?

I think it comes down to two things. First, the characterization of the "bad guy", i.e the Kyubey character. Something feels contrived and forced in this show, especially when Fav says "I miscalculated". Like, really? What is that even supposed to mean? How is that even possible? Why would doubting the capability as a logistics organizer make sense for Fav? And if we're being setup to doubt Fav, this was such a dumb way to do it.

And second, not a single question or stray thought goes into analysis. No one asks "why?"? No one bothers to ask why they have to pay the consequence for Fav's fuckup? No one bothers to ask or even mentally consider what could happen if you got last? Like there's not even a mention of what the character's assumptions are, e.g. "oh well, I guess we just get fired and go back to normal life". It's like the show just hamfisted the premise to get to the part where the magical girls kill each other, and assumes the audience is too stupid to think about it so they just made this shallow premise without explanation and then they're all set.


Like I get the whole thing about trying to hold things back from an audience to generate drama, but something is just wrong at the core of how this show is designed and executed.

tl;dr: The low chance that they had to turn this show into something great, let alone above par, has all but evaporated. The writing and editing need to be super tight to pull this off, and right now it's unraveling.

I think their assumptions being we just get fired and go back to normal life was pretty strongly implied.

I think Fav is probably full of poo poo about miscalculating, although why he's full of poo poo is an interesting question. It could be simple sadism. That would explain why he killed Nemurin instead of just taking away her powers. On the other hand, the focus on collecting Magical Candies by helping people suggests there's more to it than that.

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:

they made one character the cutest and gave them the most potentially interesting power, and then immediately took them away. effed up.

Yep. Tough luck, dream witch. :smith:

I'm still pretty interested in this premise, but whether or not I keep watching hinges on how I feel after ep 3. At the very least, it's gotten me to think about watching Madoka.

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

AnacondaHL posted:

(02) So the question is: how was Madoka able to setup its premise so well, leading into more and more reveals of the truth, while this show setup its premise so poorly?

Like I get the whole thing about trying to hold things back from an audience to generate drama, but something is just wrong at the core of how this show is designed and executed.

I'm actually completely on the other side here. I don't think the show is holding anything back from the audience, only the characters. The very first scene in the first episode established that this show was going to get dark and there was going to be a body count. It's only the characters that are in the dark. We don't know why it's happening but there's no twist, not for the audience anyway. I give this show points for not being yet another show that hides the "dark shift" until episode three.

As for the girls not being suspicious of Fav, well, they're young girls getting to live (some of) their dreams and help people with cool powers. At a glance it's so idealistic that they aren't given any reason to doubt Fav's intentions or benevolence, yet.

Desuwa fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Oct 9, 2016

esselfortium
Jul 19, 2006

Cumulonimbus Antagonistic Posting
The first episode did some things I liked, but this one confirmed all the misgivings I had about this show. I went into this knowing it was going to be grim, as it makes no secret about that, but this episode's actual execution of that just felt so cynical, joyless, and like AnacondaHL pointed out in more detail, totally arbitrary. I guess I just don't see what the thrill is in watching suffering and misery for its own sake, which seems to be the direction this is taking.

(As an aside for anyone in this thread who hasn't seen Madoka yet, you really owe it to yourself to check it out! I put it off for a long, long time because I was under the impression it was some sort of mindlessly dark slaughterfest, and I couldn't have been more wrong there. It's basically a perfect show IMO.)

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

Silver2195 posted:

I think their assumptions being we just get fired and go back to normal life was pretty strongly implied.

I think Fav is probably full of poo poo about miscalculating, although why he's full of poo poo is an interesting question. It could be simple sadism. That would explain why he killed Nemurin instead of just taking away her powers. On the other hand, the focus on collecting Magical Candies by helping people suggests there's more to it than that.

No, it's not, because an additional interaction between a magical girl and Fav is shown, where one character questions the setup of this competition, then some characters seem to know what happens to girls that lose, but not really, which leads us to question why the characters all acted the way they did, which leads to my original post because how they all reacted seemed really contrived just so that the story could go where it wanted to. Basically, I think this series has a weak storyboarder and editor.


And there's no reason to even stretch into baseless character trait assignment at this point; there's a ground level reason why it had to happen like this: because there is a defined story requirement to keep the existence of magical girls hidden from the general public, shown not only by how they act but also the magical photo augmenter that keeps their identities private. Maybe the dumb/naive/teenage girls don't know this, but if you try to leave a secret society chances are it's not gonna be easy.


....which again, makes it all the more boggling that they would just waste humanmagical girl resources like this.

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

esselfortium posted:

The first episode did some things I liked, but this one confirmed all the misgivings I had about this show. I went into this knowing it was going to be grim, as it makes no secret about that, but this episode's actual execution of that just felt so cynical, joyless, and like AnacondaHL pointed out in more detail, totally arbitrary. I guess I just don't see what the thrill is in watching suffering and misery for its own sake, which seems to be the direction this is taking.

(As an aside for anyone in this thread who hasn't seen Madoka yet, you really owe it to yourself to check it out! I put it off for a long, long time because I was under the impression it was some sort of mindlessly dark slaughterfest, and I couldn't have been more wrong there. It's basically a perfect show IMO.)

Yeah, arbitrary is the word I'd use. Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure "suffering and misery for its own sake" is why they killed off Nerumin--she was the cutest and most sympathetic of the girls, so offing her was a bit of a gut punch. It was a blatant kick the dog moment. Like I said, I'll give this one more episode, but it really has to wow me for me to continue with it.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

Desuwa posted:

I'm actually completely on the other side here. I don't think the show is holding anything back from the audience, only the characters. The very first scene in the first episode established that this show was going to get dark and there was going to be a body count. It's only the characters that are in the dark. We don't know why it's happening but there's no twist, not for the audience anyway. I give this show points for not being yet another show that hides the "dark shift" until episode three.

As for the girls not being suspicious of Fav, well, they're young girls getting to live (some of) their dreams and help people with cool powers. At a glance it's so idealistic that they aren't given any reason to doubt Fav's intentions or benevolence, yet.

That's just foreshadowing, or a red herring. Either way, it's irrelevant to what I'm talking about, which is more like how to structure storytelling, such as the introduction of the premise.

And again, not only are the girls given reasons to be suspicious, they are shown to do so to various degrees, from questioning the bogusness of how they got into that situation, to ninjagirl even having a one-on-one with Fav calling them out on setting up this mandatory competition.


So I'll give the show this: it looks like there's enough material and premise to make an cool show here. The problem is it would require really tight execution in both the storyboarding and editing, and so far it's been sloppy and arbitrary at worst.


edit: /\/\/\ just refreshed and saw the new posts, ok, looks like there's consensus on using the term "arbitrary", good work goons :thumbsup:

esselfortium
Jul 19, 2006

Cumulonimbus Antagonistic Posting

AnacondaHL posted:

So I'll give the show this: it looks like there's enough material and premise to make an cool show here. The problem is it would require really tight execution in both the storyboarding and editing, and so far it's been sloppy and arbitrary at worst.

Yeah... The second episode felt really disjointed and all-over-the-place to me in general, even aside from my plot-related laments.

As an unrelated aside, I want to see a show about La Pucelle. Her situation is way too interesting to just be a probably-destined-for-death side character in someone else's story.

Demicol
Nov 8, 2009

I'm pretty sure Fav is lying about "miscalculating". In the ninja girls flashback the witch says something about how Fav told her magical girls could hurt each other and die. I think it's implied he's done this before

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Finally got around to watching the second episode. I honestly don't know why people are freaking out yet. So far it seems fine.

I won't deny there's potential for this to go super edgy in a bad way, though.

Amstrad
Apr 4, 2007

To destroy evil you must become an even greater evil.
I fully expect it to be made known that magical candies can be stolen and the midnight cutoff time to become dramatically significant.
At which point this just turns into magical girls beating the poo poo out of one another.

Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
Bb, F and D.

esselfortium posted:

The first episode did some things I liked, but this one confirmed all the misgivings I had about this show. I went into this knowing it was going to be grim, as it makes no secret about that, but this episode's actual execution of that just felt so cynical, joyless, and like AnacondaHL pointed out in more detail, totally arbitrary. I guess I just don't see what the thrill is in watching suffering and misery for its own sake, which seems to be the direction this is taking.

(As an aside for anyone in this thread who hasn't seen Madoka yet, you really owe it to yourself to check it out! I put it off for a long, long time because I was under the impression it was some sort of mindlessly dark slaughterfest, and I couldn't have been more wrong there. It's basically a perfect show IMO.)

Something about Yuuki Yuuna hit me harder than Madoka did, but I realize that I'm in a small, small minority here.

I posted this in the season thread, but right now it'll be interesting to see how The magical girls discover that the decommissioned ones die, since they tend to hide their secret identities, and that would seem to be necessary to start the deathmatch

My guess is that This is only the first phase of the project, they're going to knock off all 8 "extra city girls" in the next episode or two, and then the deathmatch will commence when Fav later decides that he wants there to only be one in the country or world or something similar.

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Command Ant
Aug 9, 2010

I can make you
worth your weight
in gold!
I think a few people are a bit too eager to write this show off based on the premise and intro, even if I can't really them. Still, the show's progressing at a good pace so far, and there's no real reason to believe that it's going to ruin the tone it's setting for itself.

The girl at the beginning of episode 1 looks like Cranberry, so she clearly already knows more than anyone else. She's also one of the only girls who isn't in a group, which would make sense if she already knows what's up. Based on her reaction at the start of episode 2, Calamity Mary either knows more about what's going on as well, or she's just already resolved to using violence to win.

Kytrarewn posted:

Something about Yuuki Yuuna hit me harder than Madoka did, but I realize that I'm in a small, small minority here.

I wouldn't say that Yuuki Yuuna had a bigger impact on me than Madoka, but I will say that it definitely touched me in a similar way.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Kytrarewn posted:

Something about Yuuki Yuuna hit me harder than Madoka did, but I realize that I'm in a small, small minority here.

I'm with you there. It's mostly because Madoka was just dying horribly, whereas Yuuki Yuuna was suffering.

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014

by Games Forum
Yuuki Yuuna kicked rear end to me because the stakes make the girls' daily lives seem much more precious. I really appreciate SoL segments like episode 3 where they're just messing around a bunch. Well, compared to the sort of work where you see girls struggle against their odds, it feels lovely in this week's episode where a girl gets offed with the same tact as finding a pink slip in your shoe locker, and with no awareness of her circumstances. Conflict is interesting, but this episode had none. You're introduced into a charming girl and what makes her happy, and then she dies. Ehh.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



As I also posted in the season thread, what if Nemu dying is specifically she was transformed when the contract ended? It could definitely sound like Fav was tempting her to transform one last time.

Tamba
Apr 5, 2010

nielsm posted:

As I also posted in the season thread, what if Nemu dying is specifically she was transformed when the contract ended? It could definitely sound like Fav was tempting her to transform one last time.

But what would he gain from that?

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Tamba posted:

But what would he gain from that?

Extra schadenfreude.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Tamba posted:

But what would he gain from that?

The same poo poo we get. Entertainment.

We are Fav:tinfoil:

Lord Koth
Jan 8, 2012

Well, having finally gotten around to watching the first two episodes of this, my feelings are mixed. There are certainly some interesting concepts here, but I'm still on the fence as to how well they will be executed. Still, enough to give it a chance for now.

My sneaking suspicion is that Souta is a dead boy(girl?) walking. He seems to be the only one that actually knows another magical girl in real life, and if he gets washed out then Koyuki would probably go visit him, being the reveal for the whole "Oh right, they're flat out dead, not just not a magical girl any more" to the remaining magical girls. I suppose this could be subverted, but this series so far hasn't really done any shocking, unexpected plot twists.



Desuwa posted:

I'm actually completely on the other side here. I don't think the show is holding anything back from the audience, only the characters. The very first scene in the first episode established that this show was going to get dark and there was going to be a body count. It's only the characters that are in the dark. We don't know why it's happening but there's no twist, not for the audience anyway. I give this show points for not being yet another show that hides the "dark shift" until episode three.

As for the girls not being suspicious of Fav, well, they're young girls getting to live (some of) their dreams and help people with cool powers. At a glance it's so idealistic that they aren't given any reason to doubt Fav's intentions or benevolence, yet.

The problem with this is that they're NOT all innocent young girls. Ignoring the obvious exception, Nemurin is apparently a 24 year old NEET - it was even mentioned she had a job interview the next day, and while Ripple definitely seems to be a junior/high-schooler, she also comes across a moderately bitter/cynical, the type that very well might question seemingly benevolent mysterious benefactors. And that's just ones we've seen a bit about.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Lord Koth posted:

Well, having finally gotten around to watching the first two episodes of this, my feelings are mixed. There are certainly some interesting concepts here, but I'm still on the fence as to how well they will be executed. Still, enough to give it a chance for now.

My sneaking suspicion is that Souta is a dead boy(girl?) walking. He seems to be the only one that actually knows another magical girl in real life, and if he gets washed out then Koyuki would probably go visit him, being the reveal for the whole "Oh right, they're flat out dead, not just not a magical girl any more" to the remaining magical girls. I suppose this could be subverted, but this series so far hasn't really done any shocking, unexpected plot twists.


The problem with this is that they're NOT all innocent young girls. Ignoring the obvious exception, Nemurin is apparently a 24 year old NEET - it was even mentioned she had a job interview the next day, and while Ripple definitely seems to be a junior/high-schooler, she also comes across a moderately bitter/cynical, the type that very well might question seemingly benevolent mysterious benefactors. And that's just ones we've seen a bit about.

I get the impression Nemurin is too lazy to be properly cynical.

Alpha Kenny Juan
Apr 11, 2007

Finally got to watch the second episode and...

ComicsandSlushies posted:

so the first death happened, I was expecting it to be a lot gorier than it was.

... this sums it up for me too. I guess it looking like Madoka and the first episode having the edgy opening and the two-tone cutesy mascot like danganronpa I expected a lot more. However I admit that was my own expectations and there is plenty of time to get to the point, whatever that will be.

It hasn't lost me, so there's that.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

"According to Wikipedia" there is a black hole that emits zionist hawking radiation where my brain should have been

I really should just shut the fuck up and stop posting forever
College Slice
The death got me a little because while I was expecting the shoe to suddenly drop I wasn't expecting something as subtle yet sudden as something that's basically the killing curse from Harry Potter.

I like the character of Souta a lot. It strikes me as something genuinely inclusive about non-binary gender stuff, the show earns a lot of goodwill from me even if Souta probably gets it. :(

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PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I'm a bad person and took a look at the show because of Souta.

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