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oatgan
Jan 15, 2009



F4W Online Raw Rundown posted:

They announced the Women’s Championship match as the main event, pushed TJ Perkins vs. Brian Kendrick (non-title), and an interview with Seth Rollins tonight.

Roman Reigns came out and Byron Saxton used the exact line we hear JBL say about the mixed crowd reaction he gets every week. Reigns said he was the first in his bloodline to win the United States championship. He called himself “the guy” as people booed and was interrupted by Lana, which led to a “Thank you Lana” chant.

Reigns made a crack about Lana being the only woman to ever give Rusev attention, to which she responded, “Very funny, very funny. I’m laughing.” Lana challenged Reigns to a title rematch on Rusev’s behalf. Reigns said Rusev was hiding behind her skirt. Lana said Reigns ruined their wedding. Reigns was smiling so she called him a “stupid boy.”

Reigns told Lana to deliver Rusev his Bulgarian balls and tell him to come out here. Lana told him to go to hell and Rusev stormed out. They immediately got into a brawl that seemingly concluded with Rusev kicking Reigns over the barricade into the front row. Rusev grabbed the U.S. title and left with Lana.

As he posed on the stage, Reigns jumped in from out of nowhere and nailed a superman punch. Reigns said if he was going to hell, he was taking them with him. He accepted the rematch in a Hell in a Cell match.

They aired a Kendrick-Perkins video package, which included Kendrick ripping on Perkins’ story about being homeless. The match is up next.

Non-Title: Brian Kendrick defeated Cruiserweight Champion T.J. Perkins

Kendrick offered a handshake. Perkins hesitated but shook his hand, then dropkicked him as soon as the bell rang. Perkins was all over Kendrick to start, but Kendrick cut him off with a big boot. Kendrick removed the turnbuckle cover, squeezed Perkins’ fingers through the turnbuckle shaft and stomped on his hand.

After a break, Perkins was back in it and hit Kendrick with a double knee gutbuster for two. He followed with the leglock but Kendrick got to the rope. Kendrick then hit Sliced Bread#2 for a two count, followed by the Captain’s Hook. Perkins was able to fight out of it, but Kendrick raked him in the face, applied the Captain’s Hook again, and Perkins tapped out after about a 9 minute match. The crowd was into this more than the previous Raw cruiserweight matches.

Michael Cole plugged his interview with Seth Rollins by letting us know Rollins called Kevin Owens a teacher’s pet.

Seth Rollins Interview w/ Michael Cole

This was a pre-taped interview. Rollins said doctors advised him not to be there, but he doesn’t like to rest. He said Owens was handed the Universal title by Triple H and was the guy at the office who does half the work but gets the promotions. Rollins wasn’t handed the title when he cashed in his MITB contract at WrestleMania.

Rollins said Owens can’t replace him--Owens is just a cog in the machine, and he’s going to tear that machine apart. Rollins mentioned Stephanie McMahon bringing out a referee at Clash of Champions at just the right time and Owens took advantage. Rollins concluded by saying he will prove that he’s the man as soon as he gets a title match. This was pretty forgettable.

Braun Strowman defeated Chase Silver

Silver told Saxton he had a dream he would defeat Braun Strowman. He didn’t. Strowman won in just over a minute with a powerslam. A small portion of the crowd chanted “delete, delete, delete” at the jobber. Afterwards, Strowman demanded Mick Foley find him some real competition by next week or else.

Bayley caught up to Sasha Banks backstage and put over tonight’s match, saying it was in Trish and Lita territory. Banks said she was excited and this was all about getting back the women’s title.

They announced a face-to-face-to-face on SmackDown with AJ Styles, Dean Ambrose and John Cena. They also announced the 2017 Royal Rumble at the Alamodome in San Antonio.

Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho Interview

Kevin Owens and Chris Jericho came out. They’re both wearing all black and Owens is in a suit. Owens said Cole was terrible in his interview with Rollins. He said Rollins should listen to his doctors and stay home and called him a stupid idiot. At the end of the day, Rollins lost and he can thank Owens for that.

Owens claimed Rollins was also blaming the referee for losing as the crowd chanted “stupid idiot.” Owens called the crowd stupid idiots for thinking they’re cool. Owens suggested Jericho be the referee if Rollins does weasel his way into a rematch.

Jericho thought that was a pretty good idea, and he even has his own referee jersey, but he called “Team Chris and Kevin” the best tag team in the world and they should challenge New Day for the titles. The crowd chanted “Yes” and Jericho told them to shut up. Owens mentioned Cesaro and Sheamus already have a shot. Jericho said they could beat New Day in a non-title match and again in a title match. Owens thought that sounded like a lot of work.

Jericho said at least he wasn’t challenging Owens for his title, leading to a “Y2J” chant. Owens suddenly loved the idea and agreed that Chris and Kevin should be tag champs. They were interrupted by New Day.

Kofi Kingston questioned their friendship so Jericho put him on the list. New Day wanted a championship huddle to consider the challenge, but Jericho wasn’t allowed to be apart of it. Jericho put Big E and Woods on the list. Owens told New Day to leave and let the real most entertaining team take over. He mocked their title reign, said they endangered kids with their cereal, and jumped the shark seven months ago.

Woods said they don’t even swim, and wondered when Owens last jumped over anything. Big crowd pop for that line. Owens demanded Jericho put Woods on the list again. Woods said they might go watch Magnificent Seven or Luke Cage, and Owens responded, “Enough stupid references! What are you saying?” Woods accepted their challenge. This was good.

They showed Sheamus and Cesaro arriving to the arena in a SUV. Sheamus was driving. They were pissed at each other.

Sami Zayn defeated Titus O’Neil

In an inset promo, O’Neil announced the “Titus Brand,” which will likely lead to many entertaining segments. O’Neil worked over Zayn for a couple of minutes until Zayn caught him with an Exploder into the corner followed by a Helluva kick for the quick win. Crowd popped for Zayn hitting an Exploder on the bigger man.

Backstage, Cesaro and Sheamus continued to argue about getting lost and being late. Foley showed up and mentioned being humbled by Stephanie last week. He made them ride together so they could bond. Cesaro accused Sheamus of picking his nose. Foley said he pitched them to Stephanie because they weren’t just good, they were dominant.

They ran a quick promo for Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson with Corey Graves letting us know they’ve dominated the tag team division. What? After a break, they showed an interview they did with Tom Phillips. Anderson said New Day have ruined the tag team division, and now the division looks like a clown car filled with freaks. Gallows said they would push the car off a ledge and Anderson said they’d win the tag titles.

Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson defeated Golden Truth

Golden Truth got an entrance. Gallows & Anderson didn’t. They won in a couple of minutes with the Magic Killer, and laid out Truth and Goldust after the match.

Jericho and Owens ran into Ashton Kutcher and Danny Masterson backstage. Jericho said he would put them on the List of Jericho. “Ink it in, maaan.” Masterson grabbed the list and made jokes about Jericho looking like Bon Jovi and losing to Fandango at WrestleMania. Owens told Jericho they should get ready for their match, but let Kutcher and Masterson know ‘That ‘70s Show’ would’ve been better with him and Chris. Kutcher told Jericho they’d be at ringside for the tag match tonight. They bickered until Jericho left, not before saying they would get... it. The crowd loves Jericho.

Enzo and Cass did a segment in the ring with three women who were cancer survivors. Enzo excitedly presented them each with replica Women’s title belts. The crowd cheered and the three women were all smiles.

Non-Title: WWE Tag Team Champions Xavier Woods & Big E (w/Kofi Kingston) defeated WWE Universal Champion Kevin Owens & Chris Jericho

Kutcher and Masterson were on commentary. Chris and Kevin worked over Woods for a long while. Owens cut off a hot tag attempt and hit a DDT when Rollins came out to the stage to his music. The distraction allowed Woods to hit an enziguri and he made the hot tag to Big E.

Big E hit Jericho with suplexes but was cut off with a superkick by Owens. Woods then took out Owens with a flip dive and Big E hit a splash on Jericho. Big E tagged in Wood but Jericho caught him in the Walls. Rollins ran down to distract Jericho, allowing Big E and Woods to hit Midnight Hour for the win after about 16 minutes. Afterwards, Owens left Jericho alone in the ring, so Rollins hit him with an ugly Pedigree.

Backstage, Phillips said people call Charlotte and Banks evenly matched, and asked Charlotte if she has any butterflies. Charlotte said she has proven time and time again that she lives for these moments and would expose Banks tonight. Charlotte claimed to have no equal and would make Banks tap out.

They aired a video package for Rich Swann.

They showed three members of the Los Angeles Rams at ringside, as well as Dodger Josh Reddick.

Backstage, Stephanie accosted Seth Rollins. She said that Rollins was all alone for the first time in his career, and he would find out that he is replaceable like everyone else. Rollins said Triple H made the second-worst decision of his life when he cost him the title. She asked what the worst decision was, and he said “marrying you.” Crowd liked that. Rollins said he would burn Raw to the crowd going after Owens and Jericho. After he left, they kept the camera on Stephanie who smirked knowingly.

Tony Nese defeated Rich Swann

They plugged Total Bellas as Swann made his entrance. Nese did an inset promo saying he was sick of hearing about Swann and his dance moves. Nese called himself the greatest hybrid of strength, speed and grappling skills, but maybe people would like him more if he twerked. Nese won in about 7 minutes with a pumphandle slam into a Michinoku driver. Kind of surprising that Nese got the win. Or maybe it isn't.

They aired a Hispanic Heritage video for Mil Mascaras.

They showed some pictures of Emma from her Instagram (or so I assume) and announced “The Makeover of Emma into Emmalina” premiering soon.

Sheamus & Cesaro defeated two jobbers

Sheamus and Cesaro argued the entire match but won in a minute anyway after Sheamus nailed a Brogue kick.

Oscar De La Hoya was shown at ringside.

They aired a video package for Banks vs. Charlotte. It covered their friendship in NXT, Charlotte winning the title, Banks winning the title on Raw, and Charlotte winning it back at SummerSlam.

Charlotte and Dana Brooke ran into Bayley backstage on the way to the ring. Charlotte called her Dora the Explorer and mocked her for being childish. Bayley was about to speak, but Charlotte cut her off because it was time for the main event and left. Brooke advised Bayley not to cry when Charlotte breaks Banks again and patted her on the head. Brooke then held Bayley up against the wall, so Bayley launched her into some boxes. After a break, they announced that Brooke won’t be at ringside because of this.

WWE Women’s Championship: Sasha Banks defeated Charlotte

The match announcement got a good reaction and the bell rang to start the match at 10:52 pm. Unfortunately, they went to break almost immediately after Banks hit a suicide dive. They did this on SmackDown last week as well. Why would you start a championship match knowing you have to go to commercial less than a minute later?

During the break, Charlotte took control after dropping Banks back-first on the top turnbuckle and launching her into the barricade. After the break, Charlotte worked over Banks’ back as the crowd chanted “Let’s go Sasha.”

Banks came back with slaps to the chest, running forearms, dropkicks and a double knee drop for a two count. Charlotte tried a backdrop or something onto the apron, but just kind of pushed Banks back into the ring. Banks used a double knee strike and went to the top, but Charlotte knocked her off, hit a boot to the back and boot to the face for a near fall.

Charlotte tried a superplex but Banks countered into a double knee drop off the top for a nearfall. Banks went for a backstabber but Charlotte dumped her outside the ring. Charlotte then went to the top and did a corkscrew moonsault, just barely catching Banks. “Holy poo poo” chant. Charlotte followed with Natural Selection for another nearfall.

Banks seemed out of it, but came off the ropes and applied the Bank statement. Charlotte countered into a pin attempt, but Banks rolled through to reapply the Bank statement and Charlotte tapped. This was good. They got about 14 minutes, the crowd was super into it and popped big for Banks getting the win.

F4W Smackdown Results posted:

Bray Wyatt comes out to start the show. Not to cut a promo, however, as it’s a match that’s about to kick off Smackdown.

Kane defeated Bray Wyatt by count out

They started off pretty hot with some brawling. Kane’s already bleeding from the mouth. Wyatt countered a chokeslam with a uranage and was about to go with the Sister Abigail when he notices Orton on the screen. Orton says at No Mercy he’s going to turn his life right side up instead of upside down. He can play his game better than he can.

Of course, this means Kane gets right back up as Wyatt is distracted, and tries to finish but Bray escapes and after contemplating things a bit, walks away for the count out.

Baron Corbin was sulking around backstage when he runs into Charly, who mentions Jack Swagger. Corbin says that if Swagger thinks he can make waves, he’s dumber than he looks. Swagger came in. Swagger says he wants to go right now. Corbin says he wants to do it in the ring. Swagger says fine, he’ll find Daniel Bryan and they can finish this “conversation” in the ring.

Wyatt was wandering around a spooky hallway backstage while rambling about Orton.

Nikki Bella defeated Alexa Bliss by DQ

Carmella was on commentary, so about a minute into the match the two were on the outside when Carmella started jawing at Nikki. She responded by throwing Bliss at Carmella. Not too long after that, Carmella came back and attacked Nikki for the DQ.

This brings out Becky Lynch to even things up as we go to a commercial. Spidey senses indicate this’ll probably be turned into a tag...

Carmella and Alexa Bliss defeated Nikki Bella and Becky Lynch

Carmella and Bliss worked over Nikki until Carmella missed a bronco buster spot and Nikki tagged in Becky who made the hot tag. Carmella takes out Becky with a superkick as Nikki chases her away, leaving Alexa alone with a prone Becky. She hits the Twisted Bliss and gets the pin.

Wyatt was calling out Randy’s name in the spooky hallway. Wyatt’s chair was at the end. He asks if this is Orton’s master plan, is this all he got? Orton then closes down a garage door, apparently trapping Wyatt. Orton asks how it feels that the hunter is now the hunted. He finishes by saying “Lord, have mercy...or not”.

Daniel Bryan came out for a Susan G. Komen segment, bringing out a number of breast cancer survivors. He brings up More than Pink, the Susan G. Komen initiative which recognizes people who help battle breast cancer. He recognizes five women who have helped take part of this movement. They say not all heroes wear capes, but aren’t all these women heroes? Fans eventually chanted yes. They were all given Smackdown Womens titles in a very nice gesture.

They confirmed Swagger/Corbin was a go later tonight.

Hype Bros. defeated The Vaudevillans

Not very long, pretty basic. Early in the match Mojo decided it was hammer time and mimicked MC Hammer straight out of 1991. Zack was worked on for a while before Mojo came in for the hot tag and hit the Hype Ryder for the win.

The Ascension looked on at the entranceway, staring down the Hype Bros.

Miz TV is on the air. Miz wastes no time in introducing Dolph Ziggler. They teased this might be the last time Ziggler appears on Smackdown. Miz shows a video of Zigglers career, entitled “The Success of a Failure”, which goes over all of the embarassing details of his career, from being Kerwin White’s caddy, a member of the Spirit Squad, and various other moments that made him look like a loser.

Once the video ends, Ziggler cuts off Miz, he could have quit a long time ago but he’s still here because of the people who support him, the make a wish kids backstage. He mentions how he cashed in his Money in the Bank briefcase a few years ago at Wrestlemania when he won the World title...that’s why he can’t walk away.

He’s come at a crossroads, and that is why he’s putting it all on the line. He will deliver on Sunday, he will become Intercontinental champion. Through all the hard work, the highs, the lows, it’s been a hell of a ride and he’s not done yet.

Miz says yes, you are. Say goodbye to everyone who’s supported you because your career will end at the end. He brings out, of all people, Kenny and Mikey from the Spirit Squad. They did a long cheer that basically told him he’d be at the unemployment line thanks to Miz. Miz said that there were more of them, but believe it or not they got lost in transit when they were sent back to OVW.

They eventually jump him, laying him out with their big parachute drop move. Mikey charges into a corner to finish the job but Dolph superkicks him and leaves them both laying. Miz comes in to lay out Ziggler but he reverses and Miz bails.

Wyatt was losing it backstage. Maybe he never had it to begin with.

Jason Jordan defeated Jey Uso

This didn’t last long, with Jordan scoring a roll up in a couple of minutes. Usos took both he and Gable out after the match, with the Usos going for their finish when Heath Slater and Rhyno came out, sending them their way.

Bray is now sitting in his chair, still mumbling. He says it's nice to see you again Abigail, he’s ready to come home.

Orton comes back to the scene of the crime and unlocks the garage door. BUT SURPRISE, Bray isn’t there. He isn’t happy about that.

They showed clips of John Cena speaking out against Dean Ambrose on Talking Smack, leading to their face off later tonight.

Curt Hawkins had more facts for us to share, before revealing he’ll make his in ring return at No Mercy.

Jack Swagger defeated Baron Corbin by submission (kinda)

Corbin was in control for a lot of the match, including hitting the deep six. Swagger started to mount the comeback. Went for the Swagger Bomb, but Corbin got the knees up so instead he went for the ankle lock. The bell rang, but Corbin never submitted as he was going for the ropes and slamming his wrist on the floor, not his hand. That was a weird finish. Announcers were treating it like it was a bad call by the ref.

Needless to say, Corbin was mad afterwards, destroying stuff at ringside.

Time for the main event - lots of talking! AJ Styles came out to start. He says Smackdown Live is all about opportunity, and he agrees, as he became the face that runs this place. He had the opportunity to beat Dean Ambrose, and he did that too.

Dean Ambrose comes out and calls him a chump. He respects that he’s won a bunch of titles over the last fifteen years but when it came to the top title in the business, he took the low road. He’s mad right now because John Cena just had to come in and interfere. He couldn’t stand a lowlife like me winning the title. He should thank me for bringing the WWE title to Smackdown so he could even have a chance at breaking Ric Flair’s record.

This brings out John Cena. AJ told him to shut up and mentions the Ric Flair reign again. How dare you compare yourself to an icon, a legend like Ric Flair. I don’t care how many championship you won, you’ll never be in the same league as Flair. While you chase history John, I make it.

Ambrose says he knows what Cena is going to say. He’s gonna spin it around, make yourself look good because you're the master of the political spin and why he’s in the match to begin with. Anyone who's a threat to you, you cut their legs off. He’s tried to do that from day one. He’s hustled more in the ring than him, he knows he has no respect for him because he wasn’t one to kiss his rear end and ask for advice.

He guesses if he wants to be a fake, plastic suck rear end like him he’d rather be himself than the guy who plays John Cena on TV.

Cena says “talk is cheap” as he strikes Ambrose and lays him out with the AA, taking out AJ in the process. He poses with the WWE title but Styles spears him to the floor and lays him out with the Phenomenal Forearm. Styles poses with the title, but Ambrose blindsides him and takes the title, yes, posing with it to close out the show.

WEEKS WITHOUT PAUL: 5

oatgan fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Oct 5, 2016

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RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
peepee

That DICK!
Sep 28, 2010

Creepy man escorted out by security during Sasha-Charlotte match

RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

That DICK! posted:

Creepy man escorted out by security during Sasha-Charlotte match


Blaise330
Aug 13, 2007

GOD'S FAVORITE CHAMPION
Pretty sure I saw Enzo and Cass crown 3 new champions.

Writer Cath
Apr 1, 2007

Box. Flipped.
Plaster Town Cop
Main event was fun, but it probably could have used another five or so minutes.

This Raw didn't drag on like it usually does.

Golashes
Aug 8, 2006

team starslay3r!!!!!!
how was raw tho

Blaise330
Aug 13, 2007

GOD'S FAVORITE CHAMPION
Our women champions are Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, and Asuka. This is okay.

ijii
Mar 17, 2007
I'M APPARENTLY GAY AND MY POSTING SUCKS.
Jericho is the most entertaining thing on Raw. While New Day may have lost their edge, they're still some of the better entertainers out there. Everybody else is kind of meh.

rovert
Jun 10, 2013
Expected the Charlotte vs Sasha Hell in the Cell match announcement to be tonight.

Charles Gnarwin
Jul 31, 2014

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...


Raw writing has been atrocious for awhile but getting rid of Evil Emma will go down as one of the worst decisions of the past decade.

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

Golashes posted:

how was raw tho

some of it was good, and some of it was bad. All the womens stuff was good, the new day and JeriKO stuff was good, all the cruiserweight matches were good. The celebs were bad and the through line for this show was Seth Rollins and this angle just isn't doing it for me at all but your mileage may very. Best Raw in weeks easily.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


rovert posted:

Expected the Charlotte vs Sasha Hell in the Cell match announcement to be tonight.

Sasha is going to die if she attempts bumps in a cell

Don't do it, WWE

Blaise330
Aug 13, 2007

GOD'S FAVORITE CHAMPION

Charles Gnarwin posted:

Raw writing has been atrocious for awhile but getting rid of Evil Emma will go down as one of the worst decisions of the past decade.

I want to say Shining Stars is worse but considering the gimmick they had before... yeah Evil Emma loss is worse.

Golashes
Aug 8, 2006

team starslay3r!!!!!!
Wait what did they do to Emma

Blaise330
Aug 13, 2007

GOD'S FAVORITE CHAMPION
Wonder if they'll give Emma her old music back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6VQ_AUH5Rc

Golashes
Aug 8, 2006

team starslay3r!!!!!!
What the loving gently caress

Golashes
Aug 8, 2006

team starslay3r!!!!!!
Raw is loving terrible

OctoberCountry
Oct 9, 2012

That DICK! posted:

Creepy man escorted out by security during Sasha-Charlotte match


21 Hoot Salute
Feb 8, 2005

Night-time, turn around
Lonely is the city tonight
Night-time, all around
Lonely in the city tonight



Awww they ruined Evil Emma? What the loving gently caress :mad:

Evil Emma was $$$$$

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Get this fucker out of the WWE

RacistGuidingLight
Apr 5, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
we had Paul last week, Oatgan.

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

one thing i really did like about raw tonight is that the authority figures did basically nothing and the segments were never about them

RacistGuidingLight posted:

we had Paul last week, Oatgan.

doesnt count

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9693RkR5sE

Fart Radio
Sep 7, 2010

@Therock hey man check it... You ever kill a man or no? Hit me up. ;)

oatgan posted:

They aired a Kendrick-Perkins video package

why? pretty sure he's not even in the league anymore

FUCKFACE MORON
Apr 23, 2010

by sebmojo

oatgan posted:

one thing i really did like about raw tonight is that the authority figures did basically nothing and the segments were never about them
I hope they continue to do this every week they won't

Bard Maddox
Feb 15, 2012

I'm just a sick guy, I'm really just a dirty guy.
Charlotte is better than Sasha now

keevo
Jun 16, 2011

:burger:WAKE UP:burger:

I'm so disappointed at how short this was.

Sticky Nate
Jan 9, 2012

I'm excited for the Braun push still

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Bard Maddox posted:

Charlotte is better than Sasha now

legit marked for the corkscrew moonsault

Cool Post Beg
Mar 6, 2008

DADDY MAGIC
The Boss crying on air so much you'd think she ran the Charlotte Bobcats.

pressedbunny
May 31, 2007

To A Brand New Galaxy

Golashes posted:

Wait what did they do to Emma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndYarw3JPSA

FUCKFACE MORON
Apr 23, 2010

by sebmojo
So they're recreating Sunny in 2016?

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Fart Radio posted:

why? pretty sure he's not even in the league anymore

I appreciated this

Blasmeister
Jan 15, 2012




2Time TRP Sack Race Champion


When they played this on RAW I thought the streamer I was watching had put on some fanmade instagram compilation vid during an ad break until the Emmalina line popped up.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012



The first time a guest has never gotten to say a word

Rogue Copter Pilot
Apr 12, 2005

a dead whale or a stove boat

Fart Radio posted:

why? pretty sure he's not even in the league anymore

kendrick perkins and nate robinson were the enzo and big cass of the 2010 nba finals

Dango Bango
Jul 26, 2007

That DICK! posted:

Creepy man escorted out by security during Sasha-Charlotte match



What's the story behind this?

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

1) Jericho is the best thing about the show nowadays, hands down.
2) RIP Road Warrior/Big Boss lady Emma, you will be much less fun now :(

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Go RV!
Jun 19, 2008

Uglier on the inside.


holy poo poo how can raw be so bad

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