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Space Flower posted:it seems like different excursions into Pure Illusion will be themed after fairy tales? since this time was Hansel and Gretel Hm. Was it? Aside from Cocona leaving a trail of candy for all of 30 seconds I don't see the connection.
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Something nobody's commented on yet: on a rewatch, I registered that the lady in Cocona's dream immediately after the OP is that optical illusion where the person is drawn so that they can look like either a maiden looking over her far shoulder or a crone looking slightly downwards depending on how you look at it. Interesting.
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More assorted thoughts from the rewatch: The wishing jewel smells like Cocona, according to Papika. Wonder if that's a matter of Cocona smelling of magic (or whatever) or of the Jewel smelling like whatever you wish for? I like how Cocona never calls Papika by name until she's scared Papika's dead. That was rather sweet. Not sure what Cocona's deal is going to be with those glasses. She clearly doesn't need them to see, and she doesn't wear them often enough for them to be a vanity thing. So why put them on when she does? A momento from some dead parent or something seems too cliche, and at any rate the moments where she puts them on don't immediately appear to be tremendously sentimental. What was that glow on Cocona's thigh when she went all Mahou Shoujo? Was that the wishing jewel? Some sort of rune? Why her thigh specifically? I'm going to be generous and assume that it wasn't coming from, er, upriver. It's far too early to be married to this sentiment, of course, but something about our apparent villainous organization rubs me the wrong way as far as storytelling goes - though I can't really put my finger on what it is. The obvious assumption here is that they're letting Papika (and Cocona, her Candidate - whatever that means in practical terms) run around Pure Illusion and gather up fragments of the wishing jewel and then nicking the shards for themselves, which seems straightforward in a way that annoys me more than it feels like it should. Definitely looking forward to more. Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Oct 7, 2016 |
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a kitten posted:I said a flip flop Close, but...
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Oct 7, 2016 23:25
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Who'da thunk that'd happen?  Also, looks like we're going even more literal Alice In Wonderland next episode, and it looked like Cocona gets locked in some sort of cage filling with gas? 
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Oct 12, 2016 14:59
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Space Flower posted:https://twitter.com/binobinobi/status/784795128900706304 Should have answered "No, it was a complete accident when we made Papika look like she was about to kiss Cocona, only to reveal that she was merely sniffing Cocona's hair. No romantic tension was ever intended." Who specifically is that, anyway? Director? Animator?
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Oct 12, 2016 21:44
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The Colonel posted:actually it's better, that they said "yes it was intentional and people are not just reading into it" Yeah, you're right, and it is cool to see the director go "yeah these two girls are totally into each other" this early into a production. The question just made me laugh when I set alongside that scene.
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Oct 12, 2016 21:58
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Episode 2 was pretty good. Art and animation remain outstanding, but that goes without saying. Misc. Thoughts: -I feel like I like this OP more every time I see it. It's really good. -Cocona's grandma creeps me out and I'm not sure yet how intentional that is. -I'm not sure if blondie's attitude towards Papika is just reasonable suspicion towards crazy flying-surfboard hobos or if she's jealous of how handsy Papika is with Cocona. -If Cocona and Papika have to feel the same way in order to cross over to Pure Illusion, then that explains what the tickling thing was all about. Also noticed that they didn't cross over today until they simultaneously cried out for Uexkull. -I wonder if any old hole is good enough for crossing over to PI, or if specific places map to each other. Like, if they go back to the pipe from the last episode and cross over there, will that automatically take them to Sweet Snow World agin, or could they access any of the PI worlds depending on how they conduct the little ritual thing? -Cocona not recognizing Papika in Wonderland until she started sniffing her like a rabbit was cute and funny. -I'm...not sure what was scratching Cocona up when she was trapped in the big turbine thing. It didn't look like it was just random debris... -Interesting that, while Cocona seemed to either create or simply reveal a fragment herself when she transformed, Papika found her own well before transforming and didn't get another when she did. Wonder if Cocona's always had a fragment on her, and why? -I wonder if Uexkull will get to turn buff and come along for all these adventures from now on? -I'll be interested to eventually find out where the hell Papika came from and why she's unquestioningly gathering fragments for FF. -My gut says that FF will turn out to be overtly malicious before the show is over...but it's totally possible that I'm wrong and they're just going to be mysterious and eccentric. -On that note the little chamber they loaded Cocona and Papika into (I assume to send them off to the next Pure Illusion) struck me as unsettlingly close to a crematorium. -"Uh, our school doesn't let us take jobs!" "Oh, don't worry! We won't be paying you!" Hah. -Flip flap, flip flap...
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Oct 13, 2016 18:34
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Something about this one makes me think Splatoon for some reason.
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Oct 14, 2016 01:27
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lets hang out posted:Was it said that the glasses don't do anything? I don't think anyone whips glasses out in the middle of the night to look at something if they don't need them. Maybe she's just embarrassed to wear them in class. I think Papika appeared to her as an indistinct blob with a big smile because she spends most of her time inches away from Cocona's face. Nah, she specifically said she didn't need them to try and stop Papika from chasing after the big walrus things in the first episode. She didn't recognize immediately recognize Papika in episode 2's Pure Illusion because she'd been turned into a rabbit and had become more reliant on smell than on sight.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:54
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Rewatching Episode 2 - I didn't catch this on the first go around, but when Cocona is trying to get away from Papika bugging her at school, there's a bit where blondie (Yayaka) pulls her into the nurse's office to hide. Papika then runs up to the door, then backs away suddenly, clutching her mouth and nose as though she smelled something foul. Between that and taking a closer look at the OP, I think Yayaka might be destined to be our villain - or rival, at least. Which might also mean I wasn't inventing those jealousy vibes I was getting off of her demeanor towards Papika.
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Oct 15, 2016 01:59
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Erg posted:I took it as she can't stand the smell of all the manufactured drugs in there ...Hm. That would also make sense. We'll see.
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Oct 15, 2016 02:53
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https://twitter.com/Don_Don_Kun/status/787359829472018433 I had kind of picked up on this, but this articulates it much more cleanly than I felt able to. Will be interested to see if/how the show continues with this theme.
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Oct 15, 2016 20:03
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:you're not helping I think it's very helpful
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Oct 18, 2016 15:34
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New Episode New Thoughts: -It's pretty on the nose, thematically, but I do like that Cocona and Papika take on each other's colors when they Henshin. -Interesting that Papika's the shield and Cocona's the sword. -Noteworthy that this was the first Pure Illusion to contain intelligent creatures. -I really like these action sequences. They look fantastic and they're well scripted. -Called Yayaka being a rival, but didn't call that she and they weird kids and the robot men from episode 1's stinger would be from another organization. Makes me lean harder towards Flip Flap actually not being overtly malicious. -Sooooo Papika might not be human. -Where and when did Cocona get her fragment? Did she create it? Or was it given to her? -If you think that episode 2 was alluding to some sexual frustration or uncertainty (or using such as an allegory for broader existential frustration) on Cocona's part, then this episode sure didn't do anything to dissuade you. -Only half-watched the preview because I was on my way back from lunch, but looks like a tropical episode coming up? Will have to take another look.
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Oct 20, 2016 18:39
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Liver Disaster posted:Grandma is more normal this episode! Yeah. Still talks funny though. "Coh-coh-nah"
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Oct 20, 2016 22:10
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dogsicle posted:the transformations looked like standard magical girl to me. the sexual imagery i can understand giving people pause, if only because fixating on cocona's inner thigh doesn't seem to do much thematically or for the story. whereas the gagged women and rabbit stuff at least seem to be exploring an idea of sexual awakening and the relationship between cocona and papika. I mean, putting the gem on Cocona's thigh has thus far given two separate characters, both of whom Cocona seemed to be attracted to (Papika in Episode 2, Evil Bondage Queen in 3), reason to reach between her legs, which certainly plays into the sexual tension/awakening thing the show seemed to be starting up in those episodes. We can certainly argue whether it's necessary, and the show could very easily fumble that theme hard, but I wouldn't say it exists solely for titillation.
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Oct 21, 2016 03:01
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dogsicle posted:i don't feel like anything about the scene where the villain went for her thigh seemed particularly wanted by cocona, and you also have the robot grabbing for it in ep1. i'm not particularly invested in defending or decrying the scenes, but it's the one questionable bit i can definitely see where people are coming from. Same, I was just saying that I don't think it was just thoughtless fanservice. Doesn't make it good or necessary.
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Oct 21, 2016 03:24
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DiabloCthulhu posted:Upon rewatching the OP noticed this: I'm pretty sure that was the little sister who showed up with Yayaka to steal the fragment.
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Oct 21, 2016 14:17
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Pavlov posted:If it was just for the episode, I could accept it as genre hopping and experimentation. But if it sticks around to much, It's gunna get old fast. I doubt they milk the transformation sequences too much. Even more traditional magical girl stuff usually abridges them most of the time after their debut, and FF seems...decidedly non traditional so far.
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Oct 22, 2016 00:02
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Oct 23, 2016 18:24
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site posted:I thought of that but it seems like yayaka has been keeping tabs on cocona not just because they're friends but because she's (was up until the start of the show) potentially a magical girl so i figured if they could sense her out maybe they could do that with others and were killing them to keep flipflap from getting a team together This theory raises the question of why Yayaka hasn't killed Cocona yet, don't you think?
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Oct 25, 2016 20:25
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site posted:If they really are long time friends it doesn't seem that much of a stretch to assume she would rather just keep cocona out of it instead of killing her friend if possible You'd think Head Klansman would put his foot down, though. ...Although, I suppose we don't really know much about the Klan besides their preferred dress attire so far, so eh.
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Oct 25, 2016 20:32
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Mokinokaro posted:And the fact they captured Papika at the end of episode 1 yet seemed to have let her go for whatever reason. Oh poo poo, I almost forgot about that. ...And yeah, my first impulse was that Papika must have just fought her way out, but then I remembered that she didn't know how to henshin yet, and who knows if she can even do that outside of PI... Weird.
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Oct 25, 2016 21:34
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Mokinokaro posted:Was that the end of Papika (2?) and now we're following Papika 3? ...Oh poo poo. This actually makes way too much sense. It would kinda explain her superhuman strength (even before henshin-ing) and her lack of regard for her own safety if she's a clone - like Rei or something. Edit: ...although, on second thought it seems unlikely that the Papika we saw get netted by the robots at the end of episode 1 died, considering that 2 made a point of highlighting how beat up she looked when Cocona saw her again - presumably leftover injuries from either the big mammoth things or the robot dudes. Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Darth Walrus posted:If, as I suspect, Pure Illusion is shaped by the subconsciouses of those who enter it, then that raises the possibility of Papika being Cocona's literal dream girl. What about the fact that Cocona met her in the real world before ever setting foot in Pure Illusion?
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Oct 26, 2016 17:49
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Fair enough - this would also be a suitable explanation for how Cocona already had a fragment. Papika being the literal dream girl would be very 
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Oct 26, 2016 18:05
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Darth Walrus posted:I guess this depends on whether Papika is really a complete person, rather than a construct built of Cocona's repressed desires (like the monster in the last episode, if this theory turns out to be true). In that case, the happier ending may be for them to not end up together, but for Cocona to make her dreams reality and pursue a relationship with an actual girl (and Yayaka sure seems interested). I dunno about that - it's still early, obviously, but I've gotten the impression that Yayaka's gonna be more of an agent of conformity, pushing for Cocona to suppress deviant desires and be like all the normies... Although I suppose they could have a redemption arc for her or something similar. This is all still spitballing at this point, of course, but it's fun.
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Darth Walrus posted:The catch is, of course, that Yayaka's attempts to enforce conformity ring hollow. She's clearly more motivated by desire for Cocona than any serious regard for the rules (remember when she almost confessed something to her while blushing?), and she herself is an adventurer in the chaos of Pure Illusion. She's not just an avatar of the real world, but someone going through their own struggle, and that struggle has some pretty heavy parallels with Cocona's. Yeah, this is all a fair read - though it's also possible that she's more of a dark mirror, showing someone who has those 'deviant' desires and would be happier if they acted on them, but chooses to suppress them in order to fit in and is ultimately broken by the existential angst that results from that sort of self-denial. Just gonna have to wait and see. ...gently caress, there's more Flip Flappers tomorrow but I want it noooooooooow Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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New episode was fun, as close to a breather as I expect to get from this show. Wouldn't say we really learned a whole lot in terms of concrete stuff, but I think the show definitely needed an episode like this establishing some chemistry between Cocona and Papika under normal(ish) circumstances, and it pulled it off very well.
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Oct 27, 2016 17:53
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Agreed. I thought the episode was nice for its character work, and we still got some neat visuals with Papika's house thing even though it was mostly (I think) in the real world (?). Well, we know that they need to feel the same way to cross over into PI, at least, and they were both feeling affectionate at the time, and an eclipse looks sort of like a hole in the sky. As long as they're in sync and see something they might perceive as a hole, that's probably more important to the process than the precise nature of the 'hole'. Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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Oct 27, 2016 19:08
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A Tin Of Beans posted:This is fair If the eclipse does turn out to be different from any other hole they've been using, I'd expect that it'll just be a matter of it being a hole that Papika and Cocona actually opened themselves through the strength of their feelings for each other or something like that.
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Oct 27, 2016 19:42
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...Something that's occurred to me - anyone have any guesses at what's up with the painter girl? The show's clearly setting her up for something, but I've no idea what. I don't see her in the OP...
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Oct 27, 2016 20:20
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lets hang out posted:She's the girl the brain robot turns to look at, you can see her apron before he turns and then again reflected in his lens. Hm...interesting. Sleeper agent for FF, maybe?
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Rewatching now that I'm home with a good monitor. Misc thoughts -Cocona's granny still creeps me out a bit. -Mildly interesting that Papika already knows about the concept of a sleepover, considering her otherwise vague grasp of human society. -Yayaka asking P&C to join her was interesting - kind of pokes a hole in all that talk about her being an agent of conformity we were speculating about earlier, doesn't it? -The huge plants and loving ostritch hanging around make me a little uncertain whether or not Papika's 'house' was in PI or not. -"This stuff is edible, right?" "I'm eating it!" Sound logic. -...where the hell did they get the shower water? -Cocona clearly not entirely comfortable in bed with Papika, Papika looking a little hurt when she leaves. -Nice subtle bit - when they've arrived at the beach and Papika is trying to get Cocona to come fish with her, Cocona looks down at her skirt and ever so slightly adjusts it with her finger, clearly toying with the idea of hiking it up and joining Papika in the water. -Interesting how the camera keeps focusing on Cocona's dirty hands. -Papika is noticeably not dirty despite trundling along through the same forest as Cocona. -Shocking twist, Cocona's parents are DEAAAAAAD. Doubtless they were some how involved in PI and at least one of the two organizations. -Cocona sleeping much better on night 2. -This raft plan is only slightly less poorly conceived than the one in Kingdom Hearts. -I alluded to this earlier, but the way FF talk about the Pure Illusion opening up makes me think that P&C can just naturally open the door whenever they get in sync enough. -  Ah, young love. -Yuri bait aside, that's still just a really great moment. It's clearly just such an important, self-actualizing sort of moment for Cocona, and the way the music and the shots are put together really conveys a strong sense of euphoria.
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Oct 27, 2016 23:47
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Space Flower posted:
Is that Eva on the bottom? Or did I completely miss that shot in the episode?
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Darth Walrus posted:I actually think that it's not that Grandma is creepy and sinister - it's that we're in deep in Cocona's head for much of the show, and she is resentful and suspicious of her one surviving relative. Observe how what she actually says is usually nice and supportive, and how she gets less distant and unsettling when Cocona reaches out to her at the end of Episode 3. Cocona seems to have trouble opening up to people in general-perhaps because her general listlessness and lack of direction leaves her uncertain what she can contribute to any of her relationships. This would make it easy to understand how thoroughly she's won over by Papika's seemingly unconditional love and openness, even if she's a bit intimidated by it.
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Oct 28, 2016 14:14
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Yeah, that could very easily just them being complementary in the way fictional couples often are. They're already doing that with the colors.
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Oct 28, 2016 22:06
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http://www.anime-evo.net/2016/10/28/flip-flappers-4/ Here's a good review of the episode I stumbled across while I was waiting on Titanfall to download. Picked up on some things I missed or otherwise wasn't able to articulate. Some choice bits: quote:Papika is friendly and wants to make Cocona happy, but she’s also overbearing and thoughtless, barreling forward with what she thinks is a good idea without stopping to ask if Cocona actually likes it. She tends to dominate their interactions and activities, making it hard for the more reserved Cocona to find a space for herself. Her tunnel nest is a perfect example of this, as she clearly did it so they’d both have a safe space, but she didn’t involve Cocona in its creation. So when Cocona enters, she says “ojamashimasu,” a greeting used when entering someone else’s home.
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