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The Puppy Bowl posted:I liked Perriman better when he was on IR. He ought to enter in the royal rumble. Showed some great skill at not letting his foot touch the ground.
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rjmccall posted:Given that this is Kawalimus, I assume that he can back up this statement in an extremely precise manner that relies on some technical definition of quarterback that somehow disqualifies half of the quarterbacks in the league. by some measurement it might be true it also seems to ignore the fact that hes just as good as the best qbs in the league with time. no that doesnt mean hes as good as them it means he can be very effective in the right situation. no this doesnt mean you have to only have that situation 100% of the time or hes not worth playing, it means he can be an effective qb some # of the time that is much higher than a replacement qb. this is very valuable and not easy(read: impossible in less than 2 or 3 seasons for the ravens most likely) to replace. i was talking about flaccos struggle with pressure when kawalimus was clamoring for marc bulger to start over him in 2010, and for the ravens to release flacco in favor of bulger. it seems hes co opted half my opinion, shockingly the bad half. wonder if thats ever happened before. probably not e: just to head this off my as good as the best in the league comment is referencing an old pff article i cbf to find that broke down who was the best under pressure and blitzes. maybe from 2012 or 2013? im unsure but his exact ranking is unimportant and incredibly irrelevant to what im talking about. please list loving goons please for the love of god dont argue with me about him being being actually being in a 6000 way tie for 5th best or something Ghost Dog fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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Apparently that last play in the Eagles game wasn't designed to go deep. But the Lions took out the first and second progression. Agholor was the 3rd read and could have drawn a PI. But could have been thrown away. Wentz finally showed he's still a rookie. Still made some great plays. Really comes down to penalties and Mathew's fumble.
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troofs posted:Perriman really should have got his other foot down, that was a very nice throw. Terrance West of all people actually had a pretty good game and was breaking off some nice runs, but we decided to throw it all day because ~*Marc Trestman*~
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89 posted:Really comes down to penalties and Mathew's fumble. Yeah
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Ghost Dog posted:by some measurement it might be true it also seems to ignore the fact that hes just as good as the best qbs in the league with time. no that doesnt mean hes as good as them it means he can be very effective in the right situation. no this doesnt mean you have to only have that situation 100% of the time or hes not worth playing, it means he can be an effective qb some # of the time that is much higher than a replacement qb. this is very valuable and not easy(read: impossible in less than 2 or 3 seasons for the ravens most likely) to replace. Tons of great QBs are good with time. There's lots of QBs who can start and do well if they get great protection. But it's the NFL and you have to be able to play with some level of competency under it, and Flacco can't do that. He needs like 100 seconds to be able to read multiple coverage situations. It's like if he sees the guy he wants to throw to before the snap it's fine. If he doesn't, he'll either check it down or throw it away. And if those things are working well then fine. But if they're not, oh boy he's gonna get sacked or do something dumb.
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Shangri-Law School posted:I literally laughed out loud when I saw this: someone post caldwell.gif
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Kawalimus posted:Tons of great QBs are good with time. There's lots of QBs who can start and do well if they get great protection. But it's the NFL and you have to be able to play with some level of competency under it, and Flacco can't do that. He needs like 100 seconds to be able to read multiple coverage situations. It's like if he sees the guy he wants to throw to before the snap it's fine. If he doesn't, he'll either check it down or throw it away. And if those things are working well then fine. But if they're not, oh boy he's gonna get sacked or do something dumb. none of this is true. who knew
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Except that there are plenty of things showing Flacco as a terrible QB under pressure. There's some reason he's so bad at it. And I suspect that is it.
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Kawalimus posted:Tons of great QBs are good with time. There's lots of QBs who can start and do well if they get great protection. But it's the NFL and you have to be able to play with some level of competency under it, and Flacco can't do that. He needs like 100 seconds to be able to read multiple coverage situations. It's like if he sees the guy he wants to throw to before the snap it's fine. If he doesn't, he'll either check it down or throw it away. And if those things are working well then fine. But if they're not, oh boy he's gonna get sacked or do something dumb. Ease it back a little friend. If Joe Flacco sucks under pressure was your main takeaway from that game you may be approaching peak Kawalimus.
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Kawalimus posted:Except that there are plenty of things showing Flacco as a terrible QB under pressure. There's some reason he's so bad at it. And I suspect that is it. post some. also post some that says tons of qbs are as good as him without pressure. and post something that has any indictation that he takes a long time on his reads. unless you just pulled it out of your rear end. then i guess thatd be hard
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Ease it back a little friend. If Joe Flacco sucks under pressure was your main takeaway from that game you may be approaching peak Kawalimus. It's not really just that game. He was ok on the last drive. But he is inaccurate downfield and bad under pressure. It's those two things in general I'm attacking. There are other problems too, like Perriman not catching a pass right in his hands, perriman not getting his foot down, Mosley's bonehead play, bad execution on the fake FG. Or 2nd and 1 at the end of the first half and not running it and getting the first, ending up giving them the ball back to possibly score and also not putting a kick returner there if the kick came up short. We did so many things wrong today it was insane. Also abandoning the run game when West was looking good.
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89 posted:Why is the NFC East the best division this year. How did this happen? If we're not good, we're at least interesting...
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mcmagic posted:Jets giving up 71% 9Y/A and a 119 QB rating to opposing QB's this season. Fire loving everyone. AFC East setting fire to itself every year is honestly amazing to witness
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Ghost Dog posted:post some. also post some that says tons of qbs are as good as him without pressure. and post something that has any indictation that he takes a long time on his reads. This is from a couple years ago: https://www.profootballfocus.com/examining-pressure-qb-play/ Also I've read all this stuff before and I know he is not good under pressure from seeing these statistics. He's fine when he's not facing any. But this is the NFL, and you're going to face some. Aaron Rodgers is very good under it. Maybe some of this is the play design, but I don't really know about that for sure. I don't know that there's any way to prove the thing about not reading defenses. But it's just something I suspect and have always suspected. I mean the Ravens or Flacco are never going to reveal that, and there's no way to prove what he's seeing unless I can somehow enter his mind. Kawalimus fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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i know, I Know. this is a mistake. but here ill post mine first even tho it guarantees kawalimus will never, EVER mention again how he claimed he had evidence to back up what hes talking about instead he will just read this evidence really badly cause hes not actually a person hes just a raven that can talk and type https://www.profootballfocus.com/examining-pressure-qb-play/ it bears out what i said, flacco is bad under pressure but also really really really good without. and not in a stupid truism "everyone is good without pressure  " way like a bird who doesnt have his own thoughts or feelings might say, but like hes in a list with a billion hofers way. and again, this doesnt make him as good as those guys cause he is infact bad under pressure but it pretty clearly highlights his strengths and abilities as a qb, ones that are worth being built around and towards.
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Kawalimus posted:This is from a couple years ago: https://www.profootballfocus.com/examining-pressure-qb-play/ haha we linked the same thing you are just very bad at reading it, like i said. also im pretty sure i linked it to you from years ago
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89 posted:Why is the NFC East the best division this year. How did this happen? it happens naturally when you have the best tv markets and fans
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Chris James 2 posted:AFC East setting fire to itself every year is honestly amazing to witness You have 3 teams that are owned and run by incompetent fools and they rot from the top.
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And I am not saying that Flacco isn't very good without it. But it's the NFL and you're going to face some. And his inability to face pressure is what makes him a liability, especially when we pay him what we do. Injuries are going to happen. You have to be able to face pressure and he can't do that.
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Oberst posted:WILL YOU TWO JUST KISS this is an ancient grudge and one of us must die before the sun descends for the last time on this gay earth
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Kawalimus posted:He ought to enter in the royal rumble. Showed some great skill at not letting his foot touch the ground. lol
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For whatever it's worth here's a list from (I believe) the 2014 season. https://twitter.com/PFF_Sam/status/620929611610730496/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw e: Huh, you can see how the Broncos AFCCG win came about here.
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Borsche69 posted:i wish the ravens ever had receivers that ever got open with any degree of regularity in the history of the team Dude you just signed Mike Wallace.
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ChadSexington posted:Terrance West of all people actually had a pretty good game and was breaking off some nice runs, but we decided to throw it all day because ~*Marc Trestman*~ a million screens that get blown up at hte line all day LETS DO THIS
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You do this all the time though, you rag on me for something that isn't even wrong, tell me to post statistics so I look them up and post them then they're not wrong, then rag on something else that I wasn't even arguing like saying he's fine under pressure which I wasn't arguing he wasn't. And that stuff shows him as like the 10th best QB at that time when facing no pressure, which is good but it's not like indispensably good like you are mkaing it out to be. He would have to be at like one of those top three levels to justify his under-pressure performance. Our screen game is also terrible, and has been for most of this team's existence. Only time it was ok was the Ray Rice era and that's cause he would just make fools out of the defenders.
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Kawalimus posted:And I am not saying that Flacco isn't very good without it. But it's the NFL and you're going to face some. And his inability to face pressure is what makes him a liability, especially when we pay him what we do. Injuries are going to happen. You have to be able to face pressure and he can't do that. conceding pressure is something no offense does, cause no team is actually really good at dealing with it long term. so just repeating You Are Going To see Pressure as some sort of mantra that makes all his strengths meaningless is pretty stupid. like, yeah you are going to get pressured those are called bad plays where the defense played better. you do realize the defense is allowed to win some plays right?
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mcmagic posted:Jets giving up 71% 9Y/A and a 119 QB rating to opposing QB's this season. Fire loving everyone. This is doubly unacceptable because our head coach is Todd loving Bowles. I yearn for death's sweet embrace.
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