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Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

the paranoid distributed system dev constructing ever more complex scenarios where the universe conspires to gently caress around packets going ten feet from one rack to another. possibly up to and including packets traveling back in time because you never know

guilty of this but in my defense my over-preparedness hasn't bit me in the rear end yet while i've seen all sorts of naive bugs pop up for other people who don't share my paranoia

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Bloody posted:

how do I find these chucklefucks and convince them to consult to me for all their embedded bullshit

why would they do that when the alternative costs less and has no direct repercussions?

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

it probably costs more because app developers have no idea how to make boards or do embedded anything

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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Bloody posted:

it probably costs more because app developers have no idea how to make boards or do embedded anything

that doesnt matter. The chip manufacturer gives a reference circuit every time, to show their customers how it's used. The customers modify that reference circuit and add the chip. Done. There is no more work to be done. Why would they redesign the circuit when the chip company provides one?

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

Sagebrush posted:

the "stack" feature in the mac os dock used to be called "piles" until some marketing genius figured it out

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
like an iphone would fit in napoleon's hand, dude was tiny

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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pull the band off an apple watch "here you go little buddy! ur very own iphone!"

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

I read somewhere that Napoleon was of an average height for his time, and most of the stuff about him being really short was British propaganda.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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British propaganda was a fabrication of the French, though.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Also the whole population back then was a good deal shorter than people today, so if you brought him forwards in time he would probably be the short, angry man of his repute

speaking of which, isn't tori due back soon

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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he's sick of this shithole, last i heard he's on google plus

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Jonny 290 posted:

he's sick of this shithole, last i heard he's on google plus

hes a digital nomad, and crosfitter of the industry

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

Jonny 290 posted:

that doesnt matter. The chip manufacturer gives a reference circuit every time, to show their customers how it's used. The customers modify that reference circuit and add the chip. Done. There is no more work to be done. Why would they redesign the circuit when the chip company provides one?

because they gently caress up their first layout so badly the system doesn't even power on and gently caress up the second one badly enough that the trace antenna doesn't radiate at all

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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but it sells

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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its almost as though the republic of china is heavily subsidizing outbound postage so that they can send a $2 piece of broken garbage here for $0.05 shipping cost but if its broken and you want to return it, you'll be paying $13.80 international mail and itll take 3 months

but that couldnt be the case, no sir

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

unpacked robinhood posted:

hes a digital nomad, and crosfitter of the industry



what

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

Jonny 290 posted:

but it sells

itll work right up until theres repercussions for the endless assortment of funded-but-never-shipped hardware kickstarters

so probably forever

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Bloody posted:

itll work right up until theres repercussions for the endless assortment of funded-but-never-shipped hardware kickstarters

so probably forever

right. you're fighting against the stream here, there is no way to affect things happening upstream. there will always be another lovely company cutting corners to save a buck. meanwhile the ones affected by flaws either don't care or will go out of business.

the only way to fix this is with government regulation of the industry.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
lol xiongmai is actually doing a recall of some of the exploitable cameras

who knew?

Heresiarch
Oct 6, 2005

Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

Jonny 290 posted:

its almost as though the republic of china is heavily subsidizing outbound postage

oh, is that why poo poo on ali express usually has free shipping (if you're willing to wait two months for it to get here via container ship)

or are you talking about taiwan?

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord
https://twitter.com/fart/status/790604042275655680

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

surebet posted:

on more than one occasion in tyool 2016, i had to remind people that even if the battery in their car key died, it was still a key, therefore no you don't get to call a tow truck

and i'm not talking about these:


rather, these:


nice key pics

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Heresiarch posted:

oh, is that why poo poo on ali express usually has free shipping (if you're willing to wait two months for it to get here via container ship)

or are you talking about taiwan?

I don't think the PRC government likes to admit it, but yes, they are absolutely subsidizing shipping to the United States. there's no loving way that the sellers could be turning a profit on 5 SPI gyroscope modules for $8.23 shipped otherwise

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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and the pipeline has consistently gotten faster

3 years ago, order a dozen transistors and 1000 resistors, 3-5 weeks. double that if you were dumb enough to order before november 1

now? i can go on ebay and they have that poo poo at my door in 7-8 calendar days, maybe up to 15 for some lazy sellers. I bought a shitload of DIP sockets from a Chinese vendor and they showed up in two days, shipped from a stateside warehouse just east of Boulder.

Hunter2 Thompson
Feb 3, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

Jonny 290 posted:

its almost as though the republic of china is heavily subsidizing outbound postage so that they can send a $2 piece of broken garbage here for $0.05 shipping cost but if its broken and you want to return it, you'll be paying $13.80 international mail and itll take 3 months

but that couldnt be the case, no sir

You mean the People's Republic of China.

RoC = Taiwan

I haven't seen super-duper cheap stuff with free shipping on AliExpress or eBay originating from Taiwan. I take that back, you can find all kinds of poo poo on eBay for under $5 shipped from Taiwan.

I've always wondered about the free shipping on sub-$1 from China but never seen proof of what's going on. It's either heavily subsidized like you posit, or forged postage which is also likely.

Hunter2 Thompson fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Oct 25, 2016

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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ive seen similar cheap stuff start to show up out of the philippines too which is kinda interesting

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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OSI bean dip posted:

nice key pics

one of these days i want to cut a key per a photo i see on facebook or something and offer it as a gift to the owner

Heresiarch
Oct 6, 2005

Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

meatpotato posted:

I've always wondered about the free shipping on sub-$1 from China but never seen proof of what's going on. It's either heavily subsidized like you posit, or forged postage which is also likely.

i think it's a combination of being heavily subsidized and a lot of the little poo poo (i.e. most of the sub-dollar stuff) being used to fill up space in shipping containers that are making the trip anyway. just a guess though

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

surebet posted:

on more than one occasion in tyool 2016, i had to remind people that even if the battery in their car key died, it was still a key, therefore no you don't get to call a tow truck

and i'm not talking about these:


rather, these:


on the flip side my friend called me to come jump start her mercedes a while back. well it wouldn't start with a jump. and it was this weird key, plastic all over with a clear window on the end, but you stick it in a hole and turn it like a normal key. so on a hunch I replace the battery in the key and what do you know, car starts right up. there has to be some place you can stick the backup metal key but hell if I could find it

Jonny 290
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just lol at any late model product

any of them

besides macbooks and iphones i guess. but even those

Joe 30330
Dec 20, 2007

"We have this notion that if you're poor, you cannot do it. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."

As the audience reluctantly began to applaud during the silence, Biden tried to fix his remarks.

"Wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids -- no, I really mean it." Biden said.

surebet posted:

i also have a couple stories related to people not pulling these things:


after a power outage in a room with fail secure doors

These things are just in line with the power to the mags and likely no alarm will ever sound if they're pulled, hope your operation has surveillance

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

Millstone posted:

These things are just in line with the power to the mags and likely no alarm will ever sound if they're pulled, hope your operation has surveillance

If they're "fail secure" doors (in that the doors wind up locked when there's a power outage), it'd be highly suspect for those things to just be cutting power to the doors.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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in most cases you're required to have these pull stations even if the door is set to fail safe because you can't lock people in a building in the case of equipment failure (ie the electric pushbar fails), and in that case you get the full alarm effect

also, the way i understand it you're required to have power reserves to drive the solenoid that unlocks a fail secure door to allow it to be open in case of complete power failure, since one of the likely scenarios of full-building power failure is a fire; in that scenario, not having alarms and proper surveillance is secondary to not having to shovel burnt corpses out of the wreckage

the more interesting question imo is what happens if you pull it to unlock and reset it immediately? you can pull and reset a fire alarm station is literally seconds, but once triggered the alarm is supposed to keep rolling until silenced and secured on the system control panel. i highly suspect that most access control systems would be able to be put out of their alarm state by simply resetting the hardware

at best pull stations are secured by the shittiest 5 pin tumbler locks, but most of the ones i noticed around here could be reset with a 6mm allen key

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

of all the mechanisms that we could use to make the door open, let's pick the one that looks just like the one we never pull unless we want everyone to run out of the building and wait for fire trucks to come

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

meatpotato posted:

You mean the People's Republic of China.

RoC = Taiwan

I haven't seen super-duper cheap stuff with free shipping on AliExpress or eBay originating from Taiwan. I take that back, you can find all kinds of poo poo on eBay for under $5 shipped from Taiwan.

I've always wondered about the free shipping on sub-$1 from China but never seen proof of what's going on. It's either heavily subsidized like you posit, or forged postage which is also likely.

people who don't know how international postage works itt

when sending mail abroad, every country pays for its own domestic transport. so when mail from whatever country arrives in the us, it's the usps that pays for its own domestic transportation.

it would be a fair system if mail sent from china/taiwan didn't vastly surpass the amount of mail sent to china

Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard

Tankakern posted:

people who don't know how international postage works itt

when sending mail abroad, every country pays for its own domestic transport. so when mail from whatever country arrives in the us, it's the usps that pays for its own domestic transportation.

it would be a fair system if mail sent from china/taiwan didn't vastly surpass the amount of mail sent to china


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tuff-from-china

quote:

The Postal Service is losing millions a year to help you buy cheap stuff from China

But a couple years ago, people stopped buying McGrath’s toys. He discovered that Chinese merchants were selling the same boats shipped directly from China for a total price of around $18, including postage. He couldn’t compete. Just the mailing cost would put him way past that price.

Though McGrath didn’t realize it at first, he was running into a quirk in an international treaty that makes it possible for an individual to send a pound of stuff from Hong Kong to D.C. for less than it would cost to send the same package from, say, Seattle.

Uncle Enzo fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Oct 25, 2016

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Jenny Agutter posted:

on the flip side my friend called me to come jump start her mercedes a while back. well it wouldn't start with a jump. and it was this weird key, plastic all over with a clear window on the end, but you stick it in a hole and turn it like a normal key. so on a hunch I replace the battery in the key and what do you know, car starts right up. there has to be some place you can stick the backup metal key but hell if I could find it

on my accord the metal keys are for the external doors only. if the key fob battery is dead you can still start it by putting the fob directly next to the start button and hitting start. it warns you before the battery dies tho so unless ur really lazy it shouldn't happen.

Hunter2 Thompson
Feb 3, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

Tankakern posted:

people who don't know how international postage works itt

when sending mail abroad, every country pays for its own domestic transport. so when mail from whatever country arrives in the us, it's the usps that pays for its own domestic transportation.

it would be a fair system if mail sent from china/taiwan didn't vastly surpass the amount of mail sent to china

Oh, that's fascinating.

I started thinking about the kinds of products a US exporter could competitively sell to Asia supposing their warehouses were across the street from the port of Oakland (or similar). Things like Levi's jeans or US/Canadian cosmetics cost a lot more overseas.

Then I realized I've never had a package held or even opened by by customs here in the US but the one time my work sent some packages to China Chinese Customs held the packages for nearly a week and charged a significant tariff.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Tankakern posted:

people who don't know how international postage works itt

when sending mail abroad, every country pays for its own domestic transport. so when mail from whatever country arrives in the us, it's the usps that pays for its own domestic transportation.

it would be a fair system if mail sent from china/taiwan didn't vastly surpass the amount of mail sent to china

so its like peering on the internet. that's cool. usps should go Comcast on china.

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Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard

meatpotato posted:

Oh, that's fascinating.

I started thinking about the kinds of products a US exporter could competitively sell to Asia supposing their warehouses were across the street from the port of Oakland (or similar). Things like Levi's jeans or US/Canadian cosmetics cost a lot more overseas.

Then I realized I've never had a package held or even opened by by customs here in the US but the one time my work sent some packages to China Chinese Customs held the packages for nearly a week and charged a significant tariff.

yeah US companies making bank selling to "The Growing Chinese Middle Class" is bullshit. US companies aren't allowed to just import stuff. gotta be a joint venture (semi-official trade secret theft).

from what I understand, no you are not allowed to just register a local business license, ship in containers full of US goods, pay import duties, and sell to retailers or consumers.

plenty of US goods would sell (jeans, cosmetics, baby formula, even electronics I bet), but US companies aren't allowed to do so.

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