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Why does the letter C exist? Who put it there? How is it formed? It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make sense how dragons never evolved to wield swords. Someone should write a book without the letter C.
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Oct 24, 2016 06:48
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it's fine. get over it.
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Oct 24, 2016 06:54
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too meta for me.
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Oct 24, 2016 07:00
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At first, I was mad about the letter C, but now I've let wisdom guide me to calmness.
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Oct 24, 2016 07:00
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Cock
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Oct 24, 2016 07:01
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oh sure, pick on poor old letter C. meanwhile X gets to ride high on the hog, as USUAL
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Oct 24, 2016 07:03
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I before E except after C.
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Oct 24, 2016 07:03
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Oct 24, 2016 07:04
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lol
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Oct 24, 2016 07:05
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[Seinfeld] And what's the deal with J? Why do we need you around if G can do your job? [/Seinfeld]
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Oct 24, 2016 07:05
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Having to put a u after every q is infuriating. INFURIATING, I tell you!
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Oct 24, 2016 07:08
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if c didn't exist, what would replace it for the "ch" sound? ts? tsheddar tsheese?
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Oct 24, 2016 07:19
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Is this a Bloods thread
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Oct 24, 2016 07:25
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Friginator posted:Having to put a u after every q is infuriating. INFURIATING, I tell you! You joke but have you ever played Scrabble??? I bet you haven't. I bet you've never played the popular and ubiquitous family board game Scrabble, not even once in your life. I'd bet my life on it.
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Oct 24, 2016 07:43
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Seriously though, C is pretty much just a gimped G. A cimped G.
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Oct 24, 2016 07:46
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Red Minjo posted:if c didn't exist, what would replace it for the "ch" sound? ts? tsheddar tsheese? adopt the soft j: tjeddar
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Oct 24, 2016 08:03
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If C didn't exist what would we call Chad Thundercock?
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Oct 24, 2016 08:23
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Friginator posted:Having to put a u after every q is infuriating. INFURIATING, I tell you! Especially since "kw" is the same sound and same number of letters, but for some reason we only use it for foreign names and deliberately misspelled signage. X is also bullshit, but writing it as "ecks" looks wrong and why do we need to have C and K at the end of all these words anyway? Meanwhile poor th has to do double duty and doesn't get its own letter anymore because they didn't have thorns or eths on German printing presses. and don't even get me started on y and w...
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Oct 24, 2016 09:22
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But then you would just be a unt
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Oct 24, 2016 09:36
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If c didn't exist it would be necessary to invent it.
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Oct 24, 2016 09:43
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How else would we pronounce the word qcqcqkqcqkqckkqc Without c or q, the word "quack" would have to be spelt "kuakk"
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Oct 24, 2016 10:20
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Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
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Oct 24, 2016 10:42
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Cnut the Great posted:Seriously though, C is pretty much just a gimped G. A cimped G. Basically this. K is actually the superfluous letter. It exists because the Romans thought they needed a separate letter for the same sound in Greek loan words (same as Ph instead of F). That's why we have it.
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Oct 24, 2016 10:52
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We'll just shunt the bulk of the work off to "s" and "k", no idea what do do about "ch" though.
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Oct 24, 2016 11:08
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Red Minjo posted:if c didn't exist, what would replace it for the "ch" sound? ts? tsheddar tsheese? The tsutsk meme Hmmm...I don't think it works very well.
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Oct 24, 2016 11:14
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Why not just spell "ch" as "c"? And replace all the other "c" with "s" or "k" as necessary. And then just have a complete spelling revolution, like Germany and Japan, or even get our own new writting system based on our language, like Korea. Vive la révolution!
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Oct 24, 2016 11:14
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Pitdragon posted:oh sure, pick on poor old letter C. meanwhile X gets to ride high on the hog, as USUAL
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Oct 24, 2016 12:13
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Shadow0 posted:Why not just spell "ch" as "c"? And replace all the other "c" with "s" or "k" as necessary. Yeah, it's actually pretty weird how long English has gone without formal spelling reform. We have whole classes of words that haven't sounded like they're spelled since the Middle Ages and no one seems to give a poo poo. It wasn't even standardized well. The "ou" and "gh" sounds in enough, sought, and through are all completely different for some reason. The last time we got anything like modernization was American Standard English (which mercifully killed draught and plough) which is mostly just common sense changes (there are exceptions, please don't argue about them), but half the English-speaking world is like, "nope, too radical, colour needs that u in it and the only logical place for the second e in theatre is at the end." France, Spain, and other peeps actually have (awful) organizations in charge of reforming their languages and most other European languages have at least gone through reforms. Is no one on the continent as stubborn, proud, and pig-headedly old fashioned as the English? Do I finally understand Brexit?
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Oct 24, 2016 12:47
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Friginator posted:Why does the letter C exist? Who put it there? How is it formed? It doesn't make any sense. It also doesn't make sense how dragons never evolved to wield swords. Someone should write a book without the letter C. I appreciate that you were careful not to use any words containing the letter C. However, I disagree.
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Oct 24, 2016 12:51
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H.H posted:Basically this. In ancient Greek ph was an aspirated p sound, kinda inbetween puh and fuh but modern English pretty much lacks that so ph is basically just f for us, I think it also changed to f in modern Greek as well. All the weird poo poo in our alphabet comes from the fact that it was never intended for indo-european languages, it comes from the middle east for use with Semitic languages that have a poo poo load of different sounds from our languages (and they adapted a lot of it from various Egyptian poo poo) and then it was filtered through the ancient Greeks and Romans.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:19
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k is a total dickhead letter imo just look at it. totally ungraceful
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Oct 24, 2016 13:32
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If it wasn't for everyone knowing how to read, we could have easily changed the way we spell. Now it's too late, because it would affect too many people and take way too long to catch on. Literacy ruined the english language.
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Oct 24, 2016 15:41
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i refer to it as "charlie" in the phonetic alphabet, as in: SKYKING SKYKING DO NOT ANSWER AUTHENTICATION CHARLIE ECHO MANSAIL OUT
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Oct 24, 2016 15:43
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C you later, op lol
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Dearest creature in creation Studying English pronunciation, I will teach you in my verse Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse. I will keep you, Susy, busy, Make your head with heat grow dizzy; Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear; Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer. Pray, console your loving poet, Make my coat look new, dear, sew it! Just compare heart, hear and heard, Dies and diet, lord and word. Sword and sward, retain and Britain (Mind the latter how it's written). Made has not the sound of bade, Say-said, pay-paid, laid but plaid. Now I surely will not plague you With such words as vague and ague, But be careful how you speak, Say: gush, bush, steak, streak, break, bleak , Previous, precious, fuchsia, via Recipe, pipe, studding-sail, choir; Woven, oven, how and low, Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe. Say, expecting fraud and trickery: Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore, Branch, ranch, measles, topsails, aisles, Missiles, similes, reviles. 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Your pronunciation's OK. Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve, Friend and fiend, alive and live. Is your r correct in higher? Keats asserts it rhymes Thalia. Hugh, but hug, and hood, but hoot, Buoyant, minute, but minute. Say abscission with precision, Now: position and transition; Would it tally with my rhyme If I mentioned paradigm? Twopence, threepence, tease are easy, But cease, crease, grease and greasy? Cornice, nice, valise, revise, Rabies, but lullabies. Of such puzzling words as nauseous, Rhyming well with cautious, tortious, You'll envelop lists, I hope, In a linen envelope. Would you like some more? You'll have it! Affidavit, David, davit. To abjure, to perjure. Sheik Does not sound like Czech but ache. Liberty, library, heave and heaven, Rachel, loch, moustache, eleven. We say hallowed, but allowed, People, leopard, towed but vowed. Mark the difference, moreover, Between mover, plover, Dover. Leeches, breeches, wise, precise, Chalice, but police and lice, Camel, constable, unstable, Principle, disciple, label. Petal, penal, and canal, Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal, Suit, suite, ruin. Circuit, conduit Rhyme with "shirk it" and "beyond it", But it is not hard to tell Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall. Muscle, muscular, gaol, iron, Timber, climber, bullion, lion, Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair, Senator, spectator, mayor, Ivy, privy, famous; clamour Has the a of drachm and hammer. Pussy, hussy and possess, Desert, but desert, address. Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants Hoist in lieu of flags left pennants. Courier, courtier, tomb, bomb, comb, Cow, but Cowper, some and home. "Solder, soldier! Blood is thicker", Quoth he, "than liqueur or liquor", Making, it is sad but true, In bravado, much ado. Stranger does not rhyme with anger, Neither does devour with clangour. Pilot, pivot, gaunt, but aunt, Font, front, wont, want, grand and grant. Arsenic, specific, scenic, Relic, rhetoric, hygienic. Gooseberry, goose, and close, but close, Paradise, rise, rose, and dose. Say inveigh, neigh, but inveigle, Make the latter rhyme with eagle. Mind! Meandering but mean, Valentine and magazine. And I bet you, dear, a penny, You say mani-(fold) like many, Which is wrong. Say rapier, pier, Tier (one who ties), but tier. Arch, archangel; pray, does erring Rhyme with herring or with stirring? Prison, bison, treasure trove, Treason, hover, cover, cove, Perseverance, severance. Ribald Rhymes (but piebald doesn't) with nibbled. Phaeton, paean, gnat, ghat, gnaw, Lien, psychic, shone, bone, pshaw. Don't be down, my own, but rough it, And distinguish buffet, buffet; Brood, stood, roof, rook, school, wool, boon, Worcester, Boleyn, to impugn. Say in sounds correct and sterling Hearse, hear, hearken, year and yearling. Evil, devil, mezzotint, Mind the z! (A gentle hint.) Now you need not pay attention To such sounds as I don't mention, Sounds like pores, pause, pours and paws, Rhyming with the pronoun yours; Nor are proper names included, Though I often heard, as you did, Funny rhymes to unicorn, Yes, you know them, Vaughan and Strachan. No, my maiden, coy and comely, I don't want to speak of Cholmondeley. No. Yet Froude compared with proud Is no better than McLeod. But mind trivial and vial, Tripod, menial, denial, Troll and trolley, realm and ream, Schedule, mischief, schism, and scheme. Argil, gill, Argyll, gill. Surely May be made to rhyme with Raleigh, But you're not supposed to say Piquet rhymes with sobriquet. Had this invalid invalid Worthless documents? How pallid, How uncouth he, couchant, looked, When for Portsmouth I had booked! Zeus, Thebes, Thales, Aphrodite, Paramour, enamoured, flighty, Episodes, antipodes, Acquiesce, and obsequies. Please don't monkey with the geyser, Don't peel 'taters with my razor, Rather say in accents pure: Nature, stature and mature. Pious, impious, limb, climb, glumly, Worsted, worsted, crumbly, dumbly, Conquer, conquest, vase, phase, fan, Wan, sedan and artisan. The th will surely trouble you More than r, ch or w. Say then these phonetic gems: Thomas, thyme, Theresa, Thames. Thompson, Chatham, Waltham, Streatham, There are more but I forget 'em- Wait! I've got it: Anthony, Lighten your anxiety. The archaic word albeit Does not rhyme with eight-you see it; With and forthwith, one has voice, One has not, you make your choice. Shoes, goes, does *. Now first say: finger; Then say: singer, ginger, linger. Real, zeal, mauve, gauze and gauge, Marriage, foliage, mirage, age, Hero, heron, query, very, Parry, tarry fury, bury, Dost, lost, post, and doth, cloth, loth, Job, Job, blossom, bosom, oath. Faugh, oppugnant, keen oppugners, Bowing, bowing, banjo-tuners Holm you know, but noes, canoes, Puisne, truism, use, to use? Though the difference seems little, We say actual, but victual, Seat, sweat, chaste, caste, Leigh, eight, height, Put, nut, granite, and unite. Reefer does not rhyme with deafer, Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer. Dull, bull, Geoffrey, George, ate, late, Hint, pint, senate, but sedate. Gaelic, Arabic, pacific, Science, conscience, scientific; Tour, but our, dour, succour, four, Gas, alas, and Arkansas. Say manoeuvre, yacht and vomit, Next omit, which differs from it Bona fide, alibi Gyrate, dowry and awry. Sea, idea, guinea, area, Psalm, Maria, but malaria. Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean, Doctrine, turpentine, marine. Compare alien with Italian, Dandelion with battalion, Rally with ally; yea, ye, Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay! Say aver, but ever, fever, Neither, leisure, skein, receiver. Never guess-it is not safe, We say calves, valves, half, but Ralf. Starry, granary, canary, Crevice, but device, and eyrie, Face, but preface, then grimace, Phlegm, phlegmatic, rear end, glass, bass. Bass, large, target, gin, give, verging, Ought, oust, joust, and scour, but scourging; Ear, but earn; and ere and tear Do not rhyme with here but heir. Mind the o of off and often Which may be pronounced as orphan, With the sound of saw and sauce; Also soft, lost, cloth and cross. Pudding, puddle, putting. Putting? Yes: at golf it rhymes with shutting. Respite, spite, consent, resent. Liable, but Parliament. Seven is right, but so is even, Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen, Monkey, donkey, clerk and jerk, Asp, grasp, wasp, demesne, cork, work. A of valour, vapid vapour, S of news (compare newspaper), G of gibbet, gibbon, gist, I of antichrist and grist, Differ like diverse and divers, Rivers, strivers, shivers, fivers. Once, but nonce, toll, doll, but roll, Polish, Polish, poll and poll. Pronunciation-think of Psyche!- Is a paling, stout and spiky. Won't it make you lose your wits Writing groats and saying "grits"? It's a dark abyss or tunnel Strewn with stones like rowlock, gunwale, Islington, and Isle of Wight, Housewife, verdict and indict. Don't you think so, reader, rather, Saying lather, bather, father? Finally, which rhymes with enough, Though, through, bough, cough, hough, sough, tough?? Hiccough has the sound of sup... My advice is: GIVE IT UP!
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Oct 24, 2016 17:04
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Oct 24, 2016 17:52
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' form in Early Etruscan, then '
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C isn't real actually who told you it was? Whoever told you that is your enemy.
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Oct 24, 2016 17:58
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C is cool 😎
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Oct 24, 2016 18:04
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Duckbag posted:Yeah, it's actually pretty weird how long English has gone without formal spelling reform. We have whole classes of words that haven't sounded like they're spelled since the Middle Ages and no one seems to give a poo poo. Many of those were the same sounds, at the times the spelling became established. I've never really understood those language institutions that some countries have; if some assholes in, let's say, London produce a new dictionary full of things spelt phonetically in their accent, why is anyone in Glasgow or L.A. going to listen to them? Hell, why would anyone in London listen to them?
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Oct 24, 2016 18:08
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Dzhay posted:Many of those were the same sounds, at the times the spelling became established. I've never really understood those language institutions that some countries have; if some assholes in, let's say, London produce a new dictionary full of things spelt phonetically in their accent, why is anyone in Glasgow or L.A. going to listen to them? Hell, why would anyone in London listen to them? Doesn't really change overnight but the idea I think is that you start teaching it the new way in schools and a generation or so later that's the norm.
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Oct 24, 2016 18:09
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