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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Jesus christ. He has to resign after that, surely? That's loving blatant.

Of course not though.

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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I saw a thing on the ABC saying some uni students from the area were trying to start up a green energy company with as many workers from the plant as they could. Don't know how that will work out though.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Starshark posted:

gently caress off Chris Uhlmann.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Haha, wow. Trump is a working man's president, and the election, similar to the Battle of Blair Mountain.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Nov 3, 2016

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Yeah it's his Triggs.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Nov 3, 2016

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Gorilla Salad posted:

Goddamn, spot the lawyer bullshit.


It's like Mao writing a piece on how terrible Hitler and Stalin were for their death camps.

Then having someone call him out on it given how many of his own people he killed and then having a hissy fit, calling them 'filthy human rights scum' and to 'find a single factual error in his original piece'.

Actually Mao was good.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Cartoon posted:

Also I suspect that a white judge's determination of what an indigenous community considers reasonable is likely to be a loving disaster in one way or another.

Yeah I was wondering that, do they get a member of the affected community to act as an expert witness? Or do they just read it as 'a reasonable person' and not bother with checking whether that conflicts with the experiences of a minority?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Don't British investors own like 10% of our agricultural land?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
China and the soviet union.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
It's not as if they were the first famines those countries ever faced, and they were the last.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

Attributing that to collectivisation is a pretty long bow. It seems more likely that they were the last because of technological advancements in agriculture that made farming more efficient and more resilient to environmental vagaries.

Technologies they might not have had access to without an intense focus on industrialisation and centralisation by communist authorities.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

Most of the other non-communist countries seemed to get them? The focus on industrialisation would have helped, but that could have happened with or without collectivisation.

A lot of non-communist countries also faced famine in that time.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
It's irrelevant to Australia's situation regardless. The main benefit of collectivisation was consolidating land into larger plots that were more efficient.

e:And it is an argument to its success if you're saying that technology was the primary reason further famines didn't occur in communist countries, non-communists had access to the same or better technology, and yet famines occurred and continue to occur in non-communist countries.

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Nov 7, 2016

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

Recent famines have either been the result of war or happened in developing countries that didn't have access to those technologies.

What were China and Russia if not war-torn developing countries?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

This is really getting off topic. China and the Soviet Union were developing countries, but the claim was that collectivisation was a success. Unless I'm misinterpreting the argument that would mean that fewer people died or went hungry under collectivisation than would have without it. Everything I've read on the topic seems to implicate collectivisation as one of the main reasons for the famines that occured in China and Russia, although if there's something out there that refutes that I'd be interested to to see it.

I'd lower that bar a bit, collectivisation was a success in that it led those countries who adopted it to develop a modern mechanised agricultural sector. The problems it faced with famine were either due to intentional genocides, or other economic mismanagement such as using Chinese peasants for iron and steel production.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Fremen on the land.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

It seems like those gains could have been achieved without collectivisation though, and were incidental to the process.

Maybe.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I like how he undermines his whole tirade halfway through by pointing out that they could subsidise swimming lessons if it were found to be an actual issue. :allears:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

You Am I posted:

Seconded

EDIT: Shut up Leigh Sales, stop attacking Triggs.

Yeah that was a real bullshit interview.

e:Also thirded.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
gently caress Q&A is garbage.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Hmmm yes, you're bringing up an interesting point about how we find people using the legislated protections they have to be somehow cheating the system and causing havoc, but I'd like to stop you mid-thought there, because I doubt that this IPA fuckhead could think of a response to that.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
It is when you consider where the tax dollars from your exploitation will go. :shrug:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
How many countries have had protectionist policies and thought supply side made sense?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Yeah :edi:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Gridlocked posted:

I wish Peter Duton would get locked in an uncomfortably small box.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
It wasn't too bad. This

quote:

It was unclear what action supporters of legalization might take next. Mr. Turnbull had resisted discussing the issue ahead of the Senate vote.

was probably the worst, most misleading line, but they mention straight after that Labor and the Greens support SSM, and why they opposed the plebiscite.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

https://twitter.com/SenatorMRoberts/status/795962833062113281

https://twitter.com/DoctorKarl/status/795964032796815360

:kheldragar:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Like imagine being so loving stupid that you weren't anxious at all about being in a debate on a subject you knew nothing about.

It must be nice in some ways not to ever suffer imposter syndrome. :unsmith:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Karl is however very good at talking, and explaining scientific concepts, to children.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Cartoon posted:

It would appear that there is now no possible road that the Clinton cause can take that leads to a victory. :smith: I was hoping for some slight sparking in the gathering darkness but whelp. gently caress my life. World's fukt. Brexit II (etc.)

https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=us%20election%20results

If she wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconson, New Hampshire and Nevada. It's her last bet.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

rapeface posted:

So Australia didn't gently caress up democracy the worst this year.

We didn't actually gently caress up that badly, to be fair. We just failed to vote well. The libs can't do a loving thing about anything.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Do we even like fuckheads like Malcolm Roberts? I assumed all the racists are a bit weirded out by him, and just wanted someone more like Hanson.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Upside is that I won $40.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

The one day where I will grudgingly tolerate an article about "Don't get so worked up about racism/backwardness/bigotry in Australia, compared to the rest of the world we are great :smug:"

like thank god the one nation vote is only 10% or whatever it is

Actually America doesn't torture immigrants.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

QUACKTASTIC posted:

who the gently caress here calls it OZ?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
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lol of loving course ciarg is that much of a piece of poo poo.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Pretending the only legitimate views the working class hold are the racist ones that you should triangulate towards are why all "centre-left" parties are failing at the moment.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Maybe this could be the culmination of this terrible year? It turns out that climate scientists actually were cooking the books for tiny research grants. There is no climate change. Trump really did just stop Clinton from implementing Agenda 21.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Cartoon posted:

Don't you think you are pandering to the emerging polarisation though?

Good?

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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I hope the mystery av buyer had money on Trump.

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