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Nov 5, 2016 06:05
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I want to hear more about John Podesta's pacts with the Devil.
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Nov 5, 2016 06:07
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Nessus posted:I want to hear more about John Podesta's pacts with the Devil. He sold his soul for the secret to perfect risotto.
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Nov 5, 2016 06:11
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So it looks like EV numbers in Nevada are looking pretty incredible for  https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/794754491836862467 https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/794755970463207424
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Nov 5, 2016 06:12
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cyphr555 posted:EV numbers Yes, let's talk about electoral votes, like how a Washington elector for Hillary is a Berniebro who refuses to cast their EV for the "criminal," Hillary, come December, starting her out at one less vote than any projection has her at.
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Nov 5, 2016 06:16
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What is the current feeling for downticket? I feel like some people are being really pollyannish about the Senate going dem, given the recent tightening of the polls.
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Nov 5, 2016 06:15
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If you need to white noise post come to C-SPAM!  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 5, 2016 06:16
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So I decided to see if I could summarize this emails thing. There are really 5 sets of emails, if I understand correctly. First, there are the work-related emails that Hillary kept on a private server while she was at the State Department. A few of these were classified, but there is no evidence that she ever intentionally transmitted classified information in an unsafe way. I don't know if these classified emails were ones she sent or ones she received. Regardless, there is nothing criminal here. People have been critical of her decision to use a private server at all, but: a) She is not a tech person and just followed the advice of her tech people. When you start a newd fg job, do you ignore the advice of your IT department? It is the responsibility of the techies to keep her email secure. b) She was following the lead of her predecessors. Every past secretary of state has used private email, and Hillary specifically asked Colin Powell about it. c) Her emails were safer on her private server and would have been accessed by Russian hackers had she used a state dept email. The second group of emails are the ones she deleted. She deleted her personal emails as is proper. She had no responsibility to share them with anyone. Some have asserted that she deleted work-related emails as well, but these assertions have never had any evidence behind them. It is pure speculation. When coming from Trump, the criticism is pure projection, as he and his businesses have repeatedly destroyed evidence prior to lawsuits. The third set of emails is also related to this - it is the new emails found on Anthony Weiner's computer. So far we have no idea what they contain and they are only evidence that Hillary emailed Huma at least once. The fourth set of emails are the DNC emails that got hacked by Russia and released by Wikileaks and RT in cooperation. These are certainly not evidence that Hillary did anything wrong, but rather evidence of her victimization. Looking at the contents of these emails, the most damning thing you can say is that sometimes campaign staff have bad ideas (which they don't carry out, realizing that they are bad), or that some of the employees personally preferred Hillary over Bernie, though they did not act improperly on those preferences. The fifth set of emails are John Podesta's, which were also hacked by Russia and released by Wikileaks. I realized while writing this post that I have no idea what the scandal was supposed to be here so I googled it and the most common thing was that John Podesta was invited to a Satanist dinner. I don't know how that is supposed to reflect badly on Hillary. So what does this all add up to? Nothing. Absolutely nothing that you couldn't find if you hacked literally anyone's email. Since the hacking was obviously a crime, all the hours the media has spent reporting on the hacked emails is just a) profiting from crime, and b) repeatedly re-victimizing the victims of said crime. It's like if the news spent weeks spitting hot takes about how Jennifer Lawrence looks naked after her pictures were stolen. Anything important I missed?
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Nov 5, 2016 06:17
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Jimbozig posted:The second group of emails are the ones she deleted. She deleted her personal emails as is proper. She had no responsibility to share them with anyone. Some have asserted that she deleted work-related emails as well, but these assertions have never had any evidence behind them. It is pure speculation. When coming from Trump, the criticism is pure projection, as he and his businesses have repeatedly destroyed evidence prior to lawsuits. Just to clarify: these personal emails were deleted after the request for emails was given to her, but they were deleted by her lawyers, not Clinton personally. They've recovered some of them, and unarguably there is no actual evidence that there is anything classified in them.
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Nov 5, 2016 06:28
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The emails, like the Clinton Foundation 'Pay for Play', are based around the whole idea that she Could Have Done Bad Things. There's a lot of trying to prove a negative involved, especially since the side making the claims doesn't want it to be.
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Nov 5, 2016 06:41
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Petr posted:What is the current feeling for downticket? I feel like some people are being really pollyannish about the Senate going dem, given the recent tightening of the polls. I'm honestly not sure that there's much value in speculating at this point. The problem is that the odds have been slightly favorable for taking the Senate for a while, so how optimistic you feel is probably going to come down entirely to how much faith you put in the race actually tightening versus late game polls just being unreliable and weird. If things are actually tightening in NH then it's probably game over, but who knows? I do think that 50/50 is about as good as we're going to do, but I'd love to be wrong about that.
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Nov 5, 2016 06:48
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the emails are stupid as gently caress and even if they did contain classified poo poo its not like she was sending it straight to angela murkal or whatevs
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Nov 5, 2016 06:48
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Melania Trump might actually be an illegal immigrant Does it matter?
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Nov 5, 2016 06:54
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You already know exactly how much anything matters
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Nov 5, 2016 06:57
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By now you should know that Nothing Matters
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Nov 5, 2016 06:57
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Jimbozig posted:Anything important I missed? *claws bloody runnels into face and arms* AAAAA! AAAAAAAAAAAAA! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 5, 2016 06:58
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Jimbozig posted:Anything important I missed? That establishing a personal server allowed Clinton to circumvent the normal FOIA process in a way that would not have been possible if she had used an official system and that she did not have the authority to allow her own staffers, rather than State Department employees, to decide which emails were or weren't merely personal. Oh, and there was a group of deleted emails recovered by the FBI. Maybe call it set two and a half? Taerkar posted:The emails, like the Clinton Foundation 'Pay for Play', are based around the whole idea that she Could Have Done Bad Things. Correct.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:02
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Cain't be an illegal, she don't speak Hispanic
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Nov 5, 2016 07:03
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https://twitter.com/randygdub/status/794778104111632384 the linked thread comments are art. E: could we get the Nov USPOL subheading in the threat title please? E2: https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/794725220099780608 quote:Places where 2016 exceeds total 2012 early vote: canepazzo fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Nov 5, 2016 |
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Nov 5, 2016 07:06
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Jimbozig posted:So I decided to see if I could summarize this emails thing. There are really 5 sets of emails, if I understand correctly. I think the "big deal" at the end of the day is that she used a private email server altogether (which was likely hacked by foreign security teams)
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Nov 5, 2016 07:10
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https://twitter.com/onlxn/status/794783491011448833 I said this elsewhere but I love how it turned out the silent (not-quite) majority turned out to be real, it's just they're not white racists but rather a bunch of minorities, particularly Hispanics, who are being motivated by a seething hatred of Trump and the GOP. And they're going to remember this in the future when they vote again. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Nov 5, 2016 |
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Nov 5, 2016 07:10
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The Insect Court posted:That establishing a personal server allowed Clinton to circumvent the normal FOIA process in a way that would not have been possible if she had used an official system and that she did not have the authority to allow her own staffers, rather than State Department employees, to decide which emails were or weren't merely personal. you can just say "no"
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Nov 5, 2016 07:12
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EMAILS! are bullshit. http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/4/13500018/clinton-email-scandal-bullshit  There was that one post from that one USPOL poster from a while back that said none of it was that important. I can't find it.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:13
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patonthebach posted:I think the "big deal" at the end of the day is that she used a private email server altogether (which was likely hacked by foreign security teams) The "big deal" is that Hillary did something against the rules, which automatically makes her a criminal who should be executed.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:14
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Yes, let's talk about electoral votes, like how a Washington elector for Hillary is a Berniebro who refuses to cast their EV for the "criminal," Hillary, come December, starting her out at one less vote than any projection has her at.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:15
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https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/794768954803781632 nice meltdown
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Nov 5, 2016 07:16
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WOW NO ONE GIVES A poo poo
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Nov 5, 2016 07:19
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So what's the general feeling on retaking the Senate? PEC has it at 78%, but I feel like the odds are closer to a coin flip for whatever reason
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Nov 5, 2016 07:21
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It seems like the only thing to do about the presidential election is to tune out or run in circles arzying. So who has the worst ballot measure? We have one that's about replacing the current judicial ethics board with one approved by the senate. It's being pushed by a legislature that stepped down from his judgeship when he was investigated by the board for sexually harassing an attorney.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:21
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The Insect Court posted:That establishing a personal server allowed Clinton to circumvent the normal FOIA process in a way that would not have been possible if she had used an official system and that she did not have the authority to allow her own staffers, rather than State Department employees, to decide which emails were or weren't merely personal. If her lawyers had deleted non-personal emails we'd know about at least some of them since you send emails to people. That's the point of email. And lawyers do what her lawyers did all the drat time. At any rate even if she'd had DOS employees do it instead for some reason, you'd just be crying foul over that instead "Kerry's covering for Hillary 
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Nov 5, 2016 07:22
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Carlosologist posted:So what's the general feeling on retaking the Senate? PEC has it at 78%, but I feel like the odds are closer to a coin flip for whatever reason NV and PA seem like locks at this point, along with WI and IL. So only one of the more toss-uo races has to go the dems way.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:23
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there wolf posted:It seems like the only thing to do about the presidential election is to tune out or run in circles arzying. California has some bad ones this year, like the proposition that's basically one man's crusade to kill our porn industry (and is probably going to pass). Also we might wind up fast-tracking our death penalty, which is really bad. Hopefully that one loses or at least is beaten by the one to abolish it. Thankfully our Senate race is Democrat versus Democrat, with the non-blue dog being the one who's going to win. Hopefully we can take out some of our Republican representatives too, though I am not counting on it.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:23
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there wolf posted:It seems like the only thing to do about the presidential election is to tune out or run in circles arzying. Missouri has Prop 3 which on paper says they'll increase the cigarette tax to spend on schools. In practice it's weird, like prolifers are against it because the language mentions abortion, but there are left voices against it (and I'm leaning against because sin taxes like this are inevitably poor taxes) and it gets really confusing. Also there's a Voter ID one and a "no more tax increases ever" one and maybe both of them could pass because MO has turned into a super red state over the past couple of decades.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:27
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Is Trump still whining on twitter about how the entire election is rigged against him?
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Nov 5, 2016 07:31
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Internet Kraken posted:Is Trump still whining Yes. Isn't he always?
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Nov 5, 2016 07:31
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The Insect Court posted:That establishing a personal server allowed Clinton to circumvent the normal FOIA process in a way that would not have been possible if she had used an official system and that she did not have the authority to allow her own staffers, rather than State Department employees, to decide which emails were or weren't merely personal. Why yes, I'm sure that link to politico from July is presently relevant! This whole post is a pretty good illustration of why the emails matter at all. It's just a rallying cry to scream about how sure the person in question is that Clinton has something bad up their sleeve.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:31
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Kilroy posted:No more than just having a personal email account. A personal email through gmail or the like would have meant that copies of emails might be retained on servers under the control of someone else. And the idea that anyone who Clinton might have emailed something that should have been turned over but was deleted instead would leap for a phone and call up the FBI the moment they heard about it is risible, as is the projection. Liquid Communism posted:Why yes, I'm sure that link to politico from July is presently relevant! Yes, thank you. It makes clear that there was a large number of deleted emails recovered by the FBI, which don't fall into any of the sets mentioned by the original post. there wolf posted:So who has the worst ballot measure? We have one that's about replacing the current judicial ethics board with one approved by the senate. It's being pushed by a legislature that stepped down from his judgeship when he was investigated by the board for sexually harassing an attorney. Florida has a ballot measure that was specifically drafted and advertised as being pro-solar but is actually an attempt to kill off residential solar, underwritten by front groups for the state's utility monopolies.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:34
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cyphr555 posted:So it looks like EV numbers in Nevada are looking pretty incredible for Just to note- on the one hand early in-person voting (as opposed to absentee ballots) favors Democrats, so the numbers may not reflect the state as a whole, but it also means people are voting that may not have had early voting not been available and that again will be to HRC's benefit. So fingers crossed. Basically given Trump's failure to reach out towards minorities at all, I have a feeling the one chance he has is voter suppression. NC has just had its attempt at purging the rolls reversed but maybe not everyone is aware they can still vote? Maybe HRC won't even need that state but I hope the GOTV campaign is super responsive.
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Nov 5, 2016 07:35
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What I'm gathering is that women and ethnic minorities are what will save us from the fascist Hamburglar and that white males will largely be responsible for it from being the blowout it should be. Am I off or is the House/Senate still gonna be GOP in the face of all rational observation of their behavior since the 90s?
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Nov 5, 2016 07:41
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/randygdub/status/794778104111632384 Jesus, people voting (and being helped to vote)! How terrible!
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Nov 5, 2016 07:43
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