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gradenko_2000 posted:I think it was in the first post-debate analysis that people were saying that one of Trump's genuinely workable attacks on Clinton was: Quoting Harry Reid, that's a clown question bro
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Nov 10, 2016 20:48
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A lot of handwringing over the fact that like 100k voters in a 120m voter election decided it Like yes turnout and all but Hillary just plain lost, it's not like she was blown out
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Nov 10, 2016 20:52
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sean10mm posted:People are handwringing because Trump seems uniquely terrible and he won. A narrow loss to a generic business vermin Republican by the same margin wouldn't upset people nearly as much. Sure but the point I'm trying to make is that a handful of rallies' difference in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and we'd be talking President-Elect Clinton today means that Tuesday wasn't like a resounding rebuke of neoliberalism, even though I want it consigned to the dustbin of history
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Nov 10, 2016 21:32
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I mean Trump's campaign thought they were gonna lose too so...
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Nov 10, 2016 21:49
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Cerebral Bore posted:The big sin of Clinton's campaign was complacency. At some point they very clearly concluded that they had the whole thing in the bag, and therefore felt that they could ignore warning signs they had no business ignoring. And when you've convinced yourself that you've already won you're in the biggest danger of all, which is something that a supposedly professional and competent campaign staff should not have let happen. Leading up to the election, everyone, Trump included, thought the question was whether Hillary would win, or win in a landslide.
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Nov 10, 2016 23:06
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postmortem saying Trump camp thinks Comey delivered rust belt to them https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/796733051271282688 
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Nov 10, 2016 23:13
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Cerebral Bore posted:Exactly. When you've convinced yourself that you've won already, you inevitably start making mistakes. See the Clinton campaign 2016. Alternate take: not enough time to undo damage from Comey letter https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/796733051271282688
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Nov 10, 2016 23:39
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Jenner posted:
~$14t pa in personal income, ~350,000,000 people = $40k pp pa i mean adjust the numbers around but I did math earlier in a previous uspol thread and like the top .1% - 120,000 households or so - make a total of like $3t or so.
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Nov 11, 2016 07:06
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Don't forget Clinton's campaign that hilariously tried to paint Pepe the Frog as a nazi. What the gently caress was that lol? accurate?
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Nov 11, 2016 07:35
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Yep. It was even on Clinton's campaigns official website. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/how-pepe-the-frog-became-a-nazi-trump-supporter-and-alt-right-symbol.html no i was answering your question
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Nov 11, 2016 07:41
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Yeah I'm slow. But how do you come to that conclusion? How delusional are you?  idk
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Nov 11, 2016 07:48
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Alt-right is a joke. Come on. And Pepe the frog is a loving meme. Don't make it political, because it's not. More retardation from the Clinton campaign is all that was. lol memes aren't political ok
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Nov 11, 2016 07:48
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Pepe the frog wasn't political. Some fuckheads tried to make it political, and Clinton's campaign latched on to it. That's all. death of the author
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Nov 11, 2016 08:14
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Huzanko posted:Trump is president. The GOP controls everything. We're arguing about memes. it's gonna be worse than the bush years the republicans got even worse in 2010
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Nov 11, 2016 08:40
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Jenner posted:Can you like, explain this to me more in depth with like lots of explanation and no acronyms as if I were an idiot? (Spoilers I'm an idiot.) Because if it can actually happen I am loving stoked. I just didn't believe we had the numbers and I would like to see them! Even if it's impossible we should still talk about it and try and figure out how to make it happen because poo poo is only gonna get worse.  https://www.statista.com/statistics/216756/us-personal-income/  (residents not citizens so actual numbers probably more favorable)https://www.census.gov/popclock/ so like personal income works out to ~$46k per person. I mean that's 100% confiscatory taxing everything, but like the tax base is there for something like $10k while still having a reasonable tax rate
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Nov 12, 2016 02:50
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Jack2142 posted:Honestly anyone other than a blue dog like Kaine would have been a smarter choice, his selection screamed of a "lets pull from the right" and hope to steal R voters who we have been calling racists for months, instead of say picking a minority candidate to completely lock up those voters, or a progressive candidate (not necessarily Bernie) who would shore up here "progressive" rhetoric which at least here in the PNW no one was actually buying. Kaine' not a blue dog
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Nov 12, 2016 19:18
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Nov 12, 2016 21:17
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Groovelord Neato posted:lol the replies on that tweet are incredible. nobody ever learns. https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/797532801528643584
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Nov 12, 2016 21:22
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Nov 12, 2016 21:49
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Still think a country that can't beat a racist on the sole basis of his racism is pretty loving bad
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Nov 13, 2016 14:56
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Nov 14, 2016 03:37
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seems like between education and income, income would probably be more closely associated with class
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Nov 14, 2016 04:07
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Vladimir Putin posted:Didn't a bunch of democrats lost their seats because they voted for ACA? If that's he case, I don't think it was possible to push it any further than Obama did. Ish, and funny story: the more likely you were to try to water down the ACA to try to save your seat, the more likely you were to lose your seat to the right
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Nov 15, 2016 01:01
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Nov 22, 2016 16:46
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notthegoatseguy posted:I don't think the media failed to cover policy. I think they covered it a lot less than whatever crazy bullshit Trump was spewing at a rally, but they definitely covered policy. Especially since many controversies were in part about policy, such as that huge NBC (I think) article about Trump's policy changes/flip flops just from the start of his campaign. 
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Nov 22, 2016 18:08
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm saying that the passive-voice 'wasn't detected' wasn't just a thing that happened to the people whose jobs it was to detect it. It's not like in the last few weeks of the election millions of people abruptly changed their minds completely, the information was out there their sampling methodology just didn't accurately reflect it. The voters weren't any different this year than every other year, the only thing that really changed is that going in their big campaign computer (they had a literal big campaign computer lol) was calibrated for Clinton vs. Rubio not a populist uprising and the Clinton campaign, which was to a large extent functionally the same thing as the press establishment, was too up its own rear end to ever stop and reassess the situation. Actually the undecideds just broke late heavily for Trump
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Nov 23, 2016 03:55
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It's literally impossible for the President to misuse classified material so this was certainly a good topic for everyone to have focused on
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Dec 1, 2016 15:39
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JeffersonClay posted:If rightwing bullshit has poisoned how the electorate views socialism I think it's pretty important for the people asserting more socialism would have won the election to grapple with that graph. or else they'd be committing the same error that Hillary's defenders made in saying that just because voters were primed to dislike Hillary/socialism didn't mean they wouldn't vote for her/it
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Dec 5, 2016 07:28
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Nermal posted:Have a genuine go at understanding it from their point of view. Wanted to return to this for a sec I view GMI/UBI as more akin to the Alaska Permanent Fund dividends: each citizen is entitled to at least some share of the wealth created by society at large
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Dec 6, 2016 01:54
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:You can choose to view things as optimistically as you like, but the issue isn't your personal outlook, it's the fundamental power dynamic of a country that really is divided into economically and politically discrete classes of Givers and Takers Yes, the class of people who give their labor, and the class of people who take that labor and build themselves a really loving gaudy triplex apartment
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Dec 6, 2016 05:13
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Crowsbeak posted:Hmmm, why do people who vote Obama vote Trump if their huge racists? "I voted Obama to prove that I'm not racist but then he said Trayvon Martin could have been his son. Why are black people so angry?" TRUMP. *click*
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Dec 7, 2016 21:51
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The big lesson that I think everyone can agree on is don't nominate Hillary Clinton
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Dec 7, 2016 21:57
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Mixodorian posted:Especially when considering the conventional wisdom that in modern US politics you win by exciting "your" people, not converting the other sides voting bloc to defect, this is something I can't forgive her and her staff for. I mean, Bill himself was trying to convince her team to go talk to more rural people and they didn't... damned if she do, damned if she don't, huh?
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Dec 8, 2016 05:00
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MizPiz posted:And yet they were still able to vote for Obama. What sort of black magic did you think he cast make that happen? "I'm voting Obama to show black people that racism is over" "Trayvon Martin could have been his son? Why's he causing black people to get so angry?"
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Dec 9, 2016 05:07
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the ohly policy difference i can remember from '08 Clinton and '08 Obama was Obama wanted a mandate to buy insurance, and Clinton didn't
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Dec 10, 2016 06:00
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Shbobdb posted:It can be updated to, "Hasn't it been nice having Obama as President?" She even managed to Gore that up because she didn't want to share the spotlight. oh, word? 
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Dec 10, 2016 07:27
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Baloogan posted:Losers. actually, Obama won - twice at that
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Dec 10, 2016 07:29
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sd6 posted:It was literally the opposite... my bad, but still
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icantfindaname posted:Well, yeah, because is a democracy in which you have to win popular elections to get and hold political power, publicly sneering at and insulting close to 50% of the electorate is a really dumb idea? you'd think that but actually Republicans just won the Presidency and control the House and the Senate too
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