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WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS A BASTARD SETUP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Ok so scum get the names of the scum team in the role PM from Max and it's not in the Dropbox. ##vote tobbs you're tunneling and also this just seems intellectually dishonest to me. I don't think you enacted the thought process you're presenting here.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:40
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Some conclusions: - I am bad at oblique hints. I think that we should, in future, simply have those who figure out the daily password figure out, by speaking generally, whether a password share is worth potentially giving scum something, based on the info that they received. Like I said earlier, it's going to be a value judgment that we'll have to make, with the understanding that "scum probably gets something good out of it", but I think we can manage to discuss the value of what we receive without giving the game away. Either way, cross that bridge when we come to it. - Kash has at least been consistent about being unable to access Dropbox from work but why, then, ask for password help this morning, shortly before noting that he can't enter passwords? - That said, I think he's right that Tobbs is building cases on a premise that he's admitted he has no grounding for, and that's weird. - Arguably, if scum don't have the doc and can't coordinate - even given that this is pretty speculative - it makes it harder for town to draw connections between players and scumhunt. This goes double if scum needed to solve the puzzle to learn their scumbros, which is equally unfounded. Like Tobbs even said, who can say but scum? I think if it's still a mafia game - and it is - it's more likely than not that these basic elements are still in place. (Especially the second. No way are scum going in blind day 1 to case, that's insane).
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Nov 30, 2016 18:42
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Kashuno posted:WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS A BASTARD SETUP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A bastard setup is where Max gives you a role but you are, in fact, vanilla. Everyone is vanilla. YOU PLAYED DRAWROF.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:42
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The upshot of all of this is that going this hard off of admittedly unfounded speculation is weird.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:44
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:In that we're not all vanilla. Tobbs Gnawed posted:A bastard setup is where Max gives you a role but you are, in fact, vanilla. Everyone is vanilla. 
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Nov 30, 2016 18:45
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Flying Leatherman posted:- Arguably, if scum don't have the doc and can't coordinate - even given that this is pretty speculative - it makes it harder for town to draw connections between players and scumhunt. This goes double if scum needed to solve the puzzle to learn their scumbros, which is equally unfounded. Like Tobbs even said, who can say but scum? I think if it's still a mafia game - and it is - it's more likely than not that these basic elements are still in place. (Especially the second. No way are scum going in blind day 1 to case, that's insane). Other insane possibilities in this setup: -You lynch me without me even being able to claim [redacted] because I've never even seen my role PM.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:46
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:A bastard setup is where Max gives you a role but you are, in fact, vanilla. Everyone is vanilla. that is not what a bastard setup is Tobbs. A bastard setup is where the setup consists of things that are lies/extremely abnormal from a mafia perspective. A scum team without a doc would be one of those
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Nov 30, 2016 18:48
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Kashuno posted:that is not what a bastard setup is Tobbs. A bastard setup is where the setup consists of things that are lies/extremely abnormal from a mafia perspective. but kash you played drawrof kash c'mon
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Nov 30, 2016 18:48
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Kashuno posted:that is not what a bastard setup is Tobbs. A bastard setup is where the setup consists of things that are lies/extremely abnormal from a mafia perspective. When did I say there wasn't a doc??? I suggested the doc might behind a password, like our role PMs. Besides that's not a bastard setup, PMOM said scumdocs are useless.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:49
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:When did I say there wasn't a doc??? THE DOC WOULD BE BEHIND A PASSWORD THAT COULD'VE POSSIBLY GONE UNSOLVED HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THE ISSUE WITH THIS loving hell sometimes tobbs you are ignorantly stubborn to a point.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:51
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Max posted:I'm going to say this now and I will again when I send out the role pm's: On my honor, this is not another bastard mod setup where you are all secretly vanilla. I swear there are roles in this game. Go to hell Kash lol, you're arguing a semantic point that is insane and refuted by the first iteration.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:54
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Kashuno posted:THE DOC WOULD BE BEHIND A PASSWORD THAT COULD'VE POSSIBLY GONE UNSOLVED HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THE ISSUE WITH THIS like, the same as power roles and stuff? as in, the mechanic of the game we're playing right now, where essential tools are hidden behind passwords? how dare i make such an unfathomably large error in judgment lol
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Nov 30, 2016 18:56
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It's not loving semantic when you are using the idea of a scum team that doesn't know who each other are and can't talk to each other, which would be clearly a bastard setup, as your basis for your vote.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:57
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Kashuno posted:Oh yeah so funny story other than the fact that my phone is connected to my work wifi. Dude that sucks I'm sorry. My brother got his Gmail hacked and the dude tried to blackmail him
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Nov 30, 2016 18:57
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:like, the same as power roles and stuff? power roles are not a basic premise of mafia, out of thread communication for scum is
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Nov 30, 2016 18:58
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Max posted:I'm going to say this now and I will again when I send out the role pm's: On my honor, this is not another bastard mod setup where you are all secretly vanilla. I swear there are roles in this game. Max posted:I'm going to say this now and I will again when I send out the role pm's: On my honor, this is not another bastard mod setup where you are all secretly vanilla. I swear there are roles in this game. Max posted:I'm going to say this now and I will again when I send out the role pm's: On my honor, this is not another bastard mod setup where you are all secretly vanilla. I swear there are roles in this game. Max posted:I'm going to say this now and I will again when I send out the role pm's: On my honor, this is not another bastard mod setup where you are all secretly vanilla. I swear there are roles in this game. Max posted:I'm going to say this now and I will again when I send out the role pm's: On my honor, this is not another bastard mod setup where you are all secretly vanilla. I swear there are roles in this game.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:58
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The bastard mod setup bit was obviously in reference to Drawrof, which you fuckin' played.
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Nov 30, 2016 18:58
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If this is a different variety of bastard setup I will change my avatar to that post as red text with "tobbs is god" written out on a piece of paper as my avatar.
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Nov 30, 2016 19:00
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I am slamming my head against a wall and am done with it. Your premise for your vote sucks, your setup spec sucks, you thinking you have poo poo figured out sucks, your attitude sucks, you suck.
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Nov 30, 2016 19:01
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Kashuno posted:I am slamming my head against a wall and am done with it. Your premise for your vote sucks, your setup spec sucks, you thinking you have poo poo figured out sucks, your attitude sucks, you suck. lol @ the fact the person I'm voting doesn't disagree with the possibility that the scumdoc is behind a password, only that the scumdoc has such limited utility that sharing the password right away is an alignment-neutral act
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Nov 30, 2016 19:04
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Kashuno posted:If this is a different variety of bastard setup I will change my avatar to that post as red text with "tobbs is god" written out on a piece of paper as my avatar. Can I be the one to write it?
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Nov 30, 2016 19:27
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Also can we discuss why no one is voting the person who said the password in thread?(I can't cuz I only have a few seconds af a time to post and can't go through history. New cellphone policy at worm. )
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Nov 30, 2016 19:28
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Nov 30, 2016 19:31
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JimsonTheBetrayer posted:Also can we discuss why no one is voting the person who said the password in thread?(I can't cuz I only have a few seconds af a time to post and can't go through history. New cellphone policy at worm. ) god damnit  also I went through the effort of whitelisting my PC at work so I can access dropbox and the password for my account doesn't work for me so RIP
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Nov 30, 2016 19:32
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actually, ##vote jimson that's a lazy callout devoid of any actual reasoning
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Nov 30, 2016 19:33
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JimsonTheBetrayer posted:Also can we discuss why no one is voting the person who said the password in thread?(I can't cuz I only have a few seconds af a time to post and can't go through history. New cellphone policy at worm. ) Lol I am
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Nov 30, 2016 19:36
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guys it's a joke
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Nov 30, 2016 19:36
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Pinterest Mom posted:actually, This is what has been niggling me. If scum get the scumdoc in their role PM from Max (as Kash says is the only possibility) then sharing the password every day is super duper towny, because odds are the scum will figure it out in the doc easy since they can work it out together and town will be the only ones struggling. And that's stupid, because then the password is a purely anti-town mechanic. We'll see at the game's end how Max set it up, but I'd like to think that with as much work as he put into the dropboxes etc. he wouldn't make it so trivial for scum to solve.
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Nov 30, 2016 19:48
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Kashuno posted:guys eh?
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Nov 30, 2016 19:56
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:This is what has been niggling me. Or there are 3p involved? idk man common sense and all that ya know
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Nov 30, 2016 19:57
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Pinterest Mom posted:actually, I agree that it's a bad post but I am much less sure on whether it's a scum post.
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Nov 30, 2016 20:01
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Kashuno posted:Or there are 3p involved? p small game to be suggesting 3P although he mentioned F Society, the Dark Army, and Evil Corp so who knows Max wouldn't dare make a cult game they are pretty much anathema.
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Nov 30, 2016 20:03
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cult games own
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Nov 30, 2016 20:04
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Kashuno posted:cult games own I've been thinking of how to make one. I won one, it was hard though. There was a deprogrammer, a neighborizer, and like 4 players that were immune to conversion. We started with only two people but I converted the cop D1 and town lurked a lot so we won.
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Nov 30, 2016 20:10
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I would like to hear more from these fine folks. Retro Futurist 5 Quidthulhu 4 bowmore 4 What are those numbers? Why, they are the number of posts made in this thread! P sure it includes signup etc
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Nov 30, 2016 20:23
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Omgus votes are bad ##vote pmom
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Nov 30, 2016 20:36
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Hey can we do some mafia instead of slap fighting about a bunch of random mod speculation for several pages?
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Nov 30, 2016 22:24
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:I would like to hear more from these fine folks. Yeah sorry I guess we should be inflating our numbers as best we can with empty bullshit and pointless back and forth, because quantity is way more important than quality
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Retro Futurist posted:Hey can we do some mafia instead of slap fighting about a bunch of random mod speculation for several pages? sure who scum?
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