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Jonny 290 posted:Where do you see yourself in five years? last time i got this question i said "i would like to be an astronaut" and got an offer
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Fallen Hamprince posted:as a grad student the mere thought of seeking employment fills me with dread and terror, ama i'm writing my masters thesis send help
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Dec 6, 2016 13:41
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lmao I can't even imagine the worst helicopter parent sitting in on an irl job interview 
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in a sing-song marketing director voice "your network is your net worth"
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Dec 6, 2016 14:25
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actually, interviewing and job hunting owns because it's the best way to get a 40% salary bump
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Jonny 290 posted:my new job owns i recommend spending a bit over the alloted time on takehome projects but putting extra polish on it to make it worth it same except the exact opposite. if someone gives you a takehome project tell them that your time has value and they can shove it up their rear end.
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C.H.O.M.E posted:last time i got this question i said "i would like to be an astronaut" and got an offer the irony is that, at least for some time in the 90s (not sure if still the case), NASA was actually most interested in people who were relatively indifferent about becoming an astronaut
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George posted:ive never heard of this before no they just kinda sit there judging you judging them [usually their child/grandchild] hey only speak up when the candidate get stumped on one of our super hard questions and they will say things like "you can do it!" and maybe say a couple of audible cues but they rarely speak. just stare at you
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The Management posted:same except the exact opposite. if someone gives you a takehome project tell them that your time has value and they can shove it up their rear end. 
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Trump is going to murder unions lmao
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BONGHITZ posted:Trump is going to murder unions lmao you must be confused, this is a subforum for computer touchers.
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BONGHITZ posted:Trump is going to murder unions lmao how can you kill that which is already dead
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:actually, interviewing and job hunting owns because it's the best way to get a 40% salary bump There is like a trio of banks in my city with a lot of tech jobs, its very common for people to just ping pong between them. It's always the fastest way to promotion
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Dec 6, 2016 19:54
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i got my job via cronyism
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Jonny 290 posted:how can you kill that which is already dead everytime you whisper the phrase 'national right to work legislation' paul ryan gets a boner
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Valeyard posted:There is like a trio of banks in my city with a lot of tech jobs, its very common for people to just ping pong between them. It's always the fastest way to promotion we widely acknowledge internally that our fastest promotion track is to leave and come back in a year
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Dec 6, 2016 22:18
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Bloody posted:we widely acknowledge internally that our fastest promotion track is to leave and come back in a year this sort of thing bothers me immensely but i don't really know why or specifically what about it does so
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it suggests that the organization knows it undervalues its employees and doesnt care at all because the organization is rotting
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Bloody posted:we widely acknowledge internally that our fastest promotion track is to leave and come back in a year usually you can get a good bump simply by getting another offer and having your employer match it. assuming you want to stay, that is.
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Dec 6, 2016 22:31
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Bloody posted:it suggests that the organization knows it undervalues its employees and doesnt care at all because the organization is rotting I sort of meant the overall practice of jumping jobs for a paybump, rather than organizational outlook on said dunno why it bothers me, it's not like i give any real shits about "company loyalty" or w/e, but it does 
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Ciaphas posted:I sort of meant the overall practice of jumping jobs for a paybump, rather than organizational outlook on said it's the only way to get one nowadays tho unless you're extremely lucky.
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Dec 6, 2016 22:38
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jony neuemonic posted:it's the only way to get one nowadays tho unless you're extremely lucky. yeah, i haven't seen a raise above cost-of-living in five years, and i'm doing better than some of my coworkers in that regard so yeah my feelings make no goddamn sense, business as usual
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:actually, interviewing and job hunting owns because it's the best way to get a 40% salary bump i got a 50% bump on my last job change  and i was still underpaid. i was just EXTREMELY underpaid at old job, lmao. they gave me another 20% last year, and 5% the year before that tho.
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Bloody posted:we widely acknowledge internally that our fastest promotion track is to leave and come back in a year my last job did this constantly. it was hilariously demoralizing since the returning employee was rarely qualified for the new position and was usually chosen over someone internal who was now being managed by said returning employee
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Dec 6, 2016 22:47
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The Management posted:usually you can get a good bump simply by getting another offer and having your employer match it. assuming you want to stay, that is. If i have to threaten to quit to get that raise out of you, you're just going to find a way to get rid of me anyways and its and admission that you were paying me less than you thought i was worth. Companies expect this weird samurai loyalty ityool 2016 (like the old days) despite not having labor organization or pensions (like the old days)
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Dec 6, 2016 22:51
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Ciaphas posted:I sort of meant the overall practice of jumping jobs for a paybump, rather than organizational outlook on said the reason they do it is simple: it takes effort to switch jobs and no effort to stay where you are. many people are unwilling or unable to put in that effort and will live with small raises. if you gave decent raises then you would have to pay everyone more, even the ones that aren't willing to jump.
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ya. its insanely stupid on the company's part. long-tenured employees are good because they build up loads of institutional knowledge but if you don't promote people and the only way to get raises is to leave welp you're gonna lose that institutional knowledge over and over
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Bloody posted:you're gonna lose that institutional knowledge over and over this was something else my last job was super good at doing
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Jonny 290 posted:If i have to threaten to quit to get that raise out of you, you're just going to find a way to get rid of me anyways and its and admission that you were paying me less than you thought i was worth. Companies expect this weird samurai loyalty ityool 2016 (like the old days) despite not having labor organization or pensions (like the old days) you're making it too dramatic. this isn't a breakup. you tell your boss that you have a better offer. if he wants to retain you, he will work to get you the terms you need to stay. it's not his money, he doesn't give a poo poo if the company cuts you a bigger check every pay period. in fact, most bosses would be happy to pay their employees more if they found a justification for it that goes around HR's compensation restrictions. this is that kind of excuse. there are two caveats. one is that you have to be fairly sure they want to retain you. and two, you can't bluff. if they fold you have to take the other offer or you will be their bitch from then on.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:lol, just lol if people arent throwing job offers at you non-stop with no interview
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The Management posted:you're making it too dramatic. this isn't a breakup. you tell your boss that you have a better offer. if he wants to retain you, he will work to get you the terms you need to stay. it's not his money, he doesn't give a poo poo if the company cuts you a bigger check every pay period. in fact, most bosses would be happy to pay their employees more if they found a justification for it that goes around HR's compensation restrictions. this is that kind of excuse. I've seen this story play out over and over. you will never see a raise with the current company. ever.
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Dec 6, 2016 23:17
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Boiled Water posted:I've seen this story play out over and over. you will never see a raise with the current company. ever. I've done this successfully and know others who have.
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The Management posted:I've done this successfully and know others who have. i guess nobody really wanted to retain Boiled Water
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i am intermittently bored as gently caress at my job but looking for a new one is such a tedious exercise ive pretty much done nothing about it for like 2+ years now like, there's nothing actively bad about my current job but god drat i have been doing it for so long i think im institutionalised or something edit: it's this: Bloody posted:long-tenured employees are good because they build up loads of institutional knowledge but if you don't promote people and the only way to get raises is to leave welp you're gonna lose that institutional knowledge over and over except i do get pay rises so i go "oh well i guess ill stick around then" and here i still am
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ya it's also a problem if you're bored but if you're being paid competitively then well it could be worse
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Boiled Water posted:I've seen this story play out over and over. you will never see a raise with the current company. ever. It does happen. I got 40% just for casually mentioning that I might want to start looking for new work. Timing is the most important bit - if the company is already suffering from an intellectual exodus, now's the time.
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liberal arts college interviewer: "ok, so this is my first time doing this, but ill do my best." me: "ok" interviewer: "so, if you could have any superpower, what would it be"
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true story interviewer: what kind of work environment are you most successful in? me: i think i perform best on projects with rapid turnaround where i can quickly get feedback on the results of my work interviewer: son this is a FDA-regulated medical implant company me (internally):  (did not get called back)
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my dumbest interview was an on-site where i was "interviewed" by a fresh-out kid with a bachelor's in mechanical engineering who had been hired for a programming job and started 3 days prior and did not know anything about programming or interviewing and was supposed to be interviewing me for a programming job it was a dumb waste of an hour but i did get the offer which i declined because l o l
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BONGHITZ posted:Trump is going to murder unions lmao good
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