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This should be an interesting game because with the exception of PMom and possibly chaos, I don't think I've played more than a few games with everyone. Maybe 5-6 games with a few others, but I certainly don't have a dozen or more games of experience with anyone except for PMom.
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Jun 4, 2017 18:18
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Added Space posted:I have no idea what I'm doing. Just accuse people at random and hope, right? That's pretty much what I do.
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Jun 4, 2017 18:36
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And so the game is now a.... Afoot. 
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Jun 5, 2017 16:00
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Ernie. posted:unlike the rest of you ... i'm here to win I like you to back up and explain this please.
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Jun 5, 2017 23:32
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The Ninth Layer posted:I like the deadline where it is, I'm Pacific Time and would prefer not to have a deadline in the middle of my work day! You're Pacific Time? Why have I thought you were in some kind of European time zone?
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Jun 6, 2017 02:04
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Also, I don't have any opinion on the deadline time.
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Jun 6, 2017 02:05
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It's awfully quiet.
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Jun 6, 2017 22:07
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chaoslord posted:
What do you got for me?
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Jun 6, 2017 22:14
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chaoslord posted:You've been granted a D1 day vig. Who do you shoot and why? Right now, I'd shoot Ernie because I can't figure out his vote on me. Normally, I would just ignore it since it was the first vote of the entire game and that's usually a joke vote, but something about it just feels weird to me.
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Jun 6, 2017 22:26
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Kasumeat posted:I'm not townreading anyone yet. I don't like this question though, for two reasons: I'm not sure I buy this post. Chaos is just playing the content game, which is asking pointed questions to people in order to provoke a response that can be used at a later time to help determine alignment at a later time. Also, that second point is extremely suspicious because I don't think anyone would hold you to an early 'read' made during a content game. If had said something like 'I wouldn't vote TMM because I've got a gut feel that he's town', it'd be pretty hard to slam you for it on D2 if you decided to change your mind. Your post reads really defensive. Are you scum Kasu?
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Jun 6, 2017 23:19
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Raeg posted:I mean, it's no weirder than your throwing shade on Ernie I guess. Both of you were trying to infer something out of nothing. Yeah, but I answered the question and gave my reasons for it. I feel like Kasu mostly dodged the question with a fairly weak excuse.
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Jun 6, 2017 23:28
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GulagDolls posted:stop fishing for towntells You know I never understood why looking to classify someone as town through a read or tell is a bad thing. I mean, yeah, if someone only gives town tells then that's an issue, but I always feel I like I can usually identify a couple of townies early and that makes the rest of the game easier because it's a process of elimination. And sure, sometimes your wrong, but that's just what happens in these games. But in the end, I think it's easier to pick out a couple of people who you think are town with a good degree of confidence on D1.
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Jun 6, 2017 23:47
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I'm glad PMom just showed up. I was actually just thinking about him and wondering if he was going to post.
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Jun 6, 2017 23:49
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Kasumeat posted:I didn't dodge the question at all, I very clearly said that I don't have townreads yet. Yeah, but he wasn't technically asking you for a town read. He was simply asking you to name one person who you wouldn't vote for 3 game days. So you could have given an answer like PMom and named someone that you have a hard time getting an immediate read on, but it gets stronger as the game proceeds.
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Jun 6, 2017 23:58
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Pinterest Mom posted:Not shade. TMM cannot plausibly claim he doesn't want to shoot Ernie. I could if I was Trump!  Then I could hold all positions simultaneously! And I'm curious, what do you think about Ernie voting me?
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Jun 7, 2017 00:08
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Raeg posted:Tbh, a lot of these question this early on require people to rely on metagaming since there's nothing you can sincerely base it on and that kind of leaves me in the cold. As cold as the town tell fishing hole Yeah, but it's perfectly fine to use a bit of metagaming during the content game because it's really just all about getting people to talk and start voicing opinions about anything in order to get the game moving. Generally speaking, answers given during a content game aren't really held against you unless there is something really obviously wrong.
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Jun 7, 2017 00:10
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Pinterest Mom posted:it looks like a lovely joke vote? idk Fair, I'm just on the border about it and I'd really like Ernie to come back an answer my earlier question about it and just post more. Something about it when I first saw it struck me as overly aggressive, but I can't decide if I'm also just being overly sensitive.
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Jun 7, 2017 00:14
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CirclMastr posted:I'm not posting much because it's day 1 of a day start game and there's literally nothing to talk about, all votes are joke votes. Uhhh...there is much more to talk about now. Even just over the last couple of pages. Also, clearly at least two of the votes at this point are completely real. Are you actually reading the thread?
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Jun 7, 2017 00:34
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Jamuraan posted:Sorry I was sleeping all day. I'm here and I'm town so don't worry about me =) That sounds exactly like something scum would say! 
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Jun 7, 2017 01:14
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CirclMastr posted:Fine, kill me now. I don't care. This is why I don't sign up for this sort of game, heaven loving forbid I not know what's going on. That's not the point, the point is you don't even seem to be trying. You came into the thread and basically said you didn't even bother to read it because it's D1 and you think D1 is stupid. But here's the problem with that kind of attitude: D1 lays the foundation for a lot of the following game play. Despite what you think, connections can be drawn from D1 conversation and when you don't participate, it doesn't make you look good. Nobody is saying you have to be right. In fact, some of the fun of the game is being unknowingly wrong and defending your position because you believe it to be right. Just dive in, make some accusations and declarations. Don't just go 'Well, D1 sucks, so I'll just wait for D2" because if even two or three other people do the same thing then the game gets awfully boring.
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Jun 7, 2017 01:38
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CirclMastr posted:So I re-read everything and I still don't understand how anyone is making a content-based argument for who is scum. And that's fine. You can go on gut feelings on D1 as long as you attribute them as such. The trick is to scratch the itch that made your gut feel this way and turn it into a real read. Maybe it's asking Gulag questions or just seeing how he responds to others. Now how about the Chaos/Kasu votes? They are a pretty simple thing to get that provides content. Chaos started a content game and asked Kasu a question, the question didn't sit right with Kasu so he voted Chaos and Chaos felt the response wasn't right so he voted Kasu. That is content. How do you feel about that sequence of events? Do it feel natural to you? Does it make sense to you, even if you might not agree with it? You don't need to make an alignment call in every single post, but you should be looking to explain your thinking about things that are said in the thread such as the Chaos/Kasu spat.
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Jun 7, 2017 03:47
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Tired Moritz posted:voting me in day 1 is an active scum move. I'm not sure I believe this post because the last two games I played with Tired, I was scum and in both games my team kept Tired alive until well into the game. And the funny part is that I think he was actually the one person in both games that was the closest to figuring things out, but nobody wanted to listen to him.
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Jun 7, 2017 17:40
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GulagDolls posted:youre thinking of someone else I may be wrong about the last Ecco game, but I know TM was right during Kashs Katamari game because I kept him alive even though he was right and then set him up to be the final fall guy. And the whole time he was telling everyone that I was lying my rear end off.
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Jun 7, 2017 17:53
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Man, there are an awful lot of single votes on people right now. This is very weird. I'm not really sold on Tired being scum. It does seem like he's always awkward, but I do think he ends giving some decent reads after a day or two. And remember this is coming from someone who was scum in their last two games and kept him alive even though he was either at the truth or getting close to it.
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Jun 8, 2017 02:33
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Sandwolf posted:Dude, shut up, no one gives a poo poo about that other game where you masterminded as scum. It's completely irrelevant to the game at hand and the fact that you keep bringing it up makes me want to vote you so badly. I feel it's important because it does color my view of Tired. It's certainly not something I'm going to continually talk about, but it I felt it was relevant there since it's providing the basis for not wanting to vote him today.
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Jun 8, 2017 02:51
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Ernie. posted:My vote on tmm is now real. Not responding to me at all and harping on the weirdest logic in the world (kept TM alive before ... So let's keep him alive again? - not even an alignment call). I'm working all night so I can't promise to be here at deadline. It's because your question was irrelevant. Of course I would be willing to vote you if I was also willing to shoot you, but I felt no compelling reason to vote at the time. I'd vote you now, but I don't think anyone else would be on board for it. And am not really sure what you're driving at here. I've made my thinking about why I'd rather keep TM alive and it's because he usually ends up giving decent reads after a day or two, but the problem is often that people just don't want to listen to him because he often comes across as awkward and scummy in the early part of the game. So I would rather not lynch him today and see what happens in the future.
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Jun 8, 2017 03:20
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So we've got a bit more than an hour until the deadline and nobody has more than 2 votes. Here's my thoughts on the people with votes: Tired - I've made my position clear. Inf - As irritating as Inf can be at times, I'm not feeling this vote. Both Sandwolf and Gulag seem to be voting him for being a replacement. Sandwolf - I could vote here. I'm not liking the way he's responding to things. He's doing a lot of telling people how to play in a disparaging way. Mr F - He hasn't really posted anything of value. I'd vote him to avoid a no lynch, but he hasn't posted enough to make an actual read. The Ninth Layer - I could vote here as well. His last two posts are: The Ninth Layer posted:I'm already voting for you, why would I vote for you again? That post is why I'm still voting you. The Ninth Layer posted:##unvote And that just makes me feel uneasy. Jamuraan - I would really only vote here to avoid the no lynch. I'd like to see some more out of him before making a more solid read. Kasumeat - I'm not inclined to vote him today as I have a slight town lean on him despite some of his early posts. TMM - Obviously I'm not voting myself because I know I'm town.
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Jun 8, 2017 03:50
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GulagDolls posted:actually I don't know what has happened in the games he has played that I'm not in, so maybe he does get killed early in those games. As of now, I see nothing really different from his early game play in the ones I have played with when I did know that he wasn't scum, so that leads to me have a town lean for him at the moment.
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Jun 8, 2017 03:55
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Dr. Hurt posted:But seriously I'm down for kicking TMM or Moritz off the table since both of them have done more jibber jabber about each other than the game, tbqh. This post is ugly. Dr. Hurt doesn't seem to think either of us might be scum, he just seems to want to vote one of us because we are doing most of the talking.
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Jun 8, 2017 03:56
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GulagDolls posted:since i dont want to kill someone that is actually posting words on d1 I'm also kind of having this dilemma as well. It feels like a choice of kill a talkative person or killing a lurker.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:08
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Sandwolf posted:I just whanna nip this in the bud before this becomes the accepted reasoning, I voted PMom cuz I didn't trust the way he was playing, my vote remaining on Inf is because I was suspicious of PMom and the replacement hasn't said a lick yet. I don't like the way YOU reworked the logic behind MY vote. Honestly, I forgot you had been voting PMom. So your vote for Inf was fine, but I still think you're suspicious as hell. I actually think it's time to vote ##vote TNL. There's just something off about the way he voted you and defended it and then backed off it with an 'I've got nothing' post.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:27
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Dr. Hurt posted:Since you're here and talking, why did you go with TNL over all other options? You did throw TNL out earlier but what makes him more worthy of your vote than someone like Mr. F. who you also called out primarily for lurking (and only talking about chips)? Because Mr. F would just be a lurker lynch, while TNL actually made the suspicious posts of calling out Sandwolf and then backing off it for no real reason.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:46
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CirclMastr posted:I really wish I knew what the actual votes were at right now. Is there a way to access the votefinder thing or is it just a bot that posts? Votecount for Day 1   Tired Moritz (4): Jamuraan, Infinitum (2): Sandwolf, GulagDolls, The Ninth Layer, TMMadman (2): Ernie., Sandwolf Sandwolf (1): The Ninth Layer, Ixtlilton, The Ninth Layer (1): Added Space, Jamuraan (1): Kasumeat, Kasumeat (1): chaoslord Ixtlilton (0): GulagDolls, chaoslord (0): Tired Moritz, Kasumeat, Raeg (0): Kasumeat, Mr. F! (0): Sandwolf, Not Voting (4): Added Space, CirclMastr, Dr. Hurt, Mr. F!
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CirclMastr posted:I really wish I knew what the actual votes were at right now. Is there a way to access the votefinder thing or is it just a bot that posts? Also: http://votefinder.org/
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Jun 8, 2017 04:48
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Ernie. posted:The intent behind tmm's posts is all wrong. It's to seem Townie or thoughtful. Not too actually hunt scrum or prod for reactions. I dropped it because you explained it somewhat and I didn't want to call undue attention to it.
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Jun 8, 2017 04:49
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Tired Moritz posted:very suspicious of anyone that's asking to MOMT anyone that isn't themselves. Why? If every townperson voted themselves as MOMT, then scum would get the boon since they will almost certainly all vote for one of their own.
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Jun 8, 2017 18:51
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Tired Moritz posted:Because there's no way to confirm anyone as town except yourself. It reeks of additional information. I think in later days, it makes sense to vote for someone you know is town but so early in the game, it's kinda odd. Yeah but you can use their reaction to getting the boon, how forthcoming they are about the boon and their ultimate use of the boon to help determine that players alignment. For example, you would likely have different reactions if the boon was a dayvig and the person who got it opened the day by using it immediately as opposed to the person waiting until closet to the deadline when they have more information.
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Jun 8, 2017 19:13
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chaoslord posted:420 posts, nice I didn't want to say anything about it during the night but this amused me because I voted for you because I feel like the content game kickstarted the day.
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So do we have a vig or an SK? Iirc, the 16 player game I ran was 3 scum and a Survivor/SK. Since it says I won in a narrow victory, I'm think we are likely facing a 3 man scum team and probably an SK. I say this because I'm not sure that 5 people would have voted me MOTM. I'm assuming that scum would have voted for one of their own, but maybe they didn't do that on N1 to avoid attracting attention since whoever did it the boon would likely be under some extra scrutiny today.
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