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In.

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Might as well ask before hand - are jobs linked to alignment at all? Will all black mage be scum? Or is that all random?

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Stay away from suspicious chests, wandering machines, and turtles trying to play god.

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Still working on the math, but town usually benefits slightly from not lynching on day one.

##novote

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Murmur Twin posted:

How do you feel about the assertion that scum often pushes for no lynches on day one because it's easier than making fake cases?

If I wanted to toss out a vote I'd just cry "Revenge!" and hit Inf. :shrug: It's the simple truth of Mafia games that random killing favors scum.

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It's really obvious math. Scum need to kill more people to win, therefore they would support more killing to win more easily.

If D1 isn't random, what are you basing things on other than speculation and stereotype?

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I got Monk last slot and thought about rerolling that one, but figured I wouldn't last that long anyway. I did get the top job I wanted though.

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Ok, succumbing to peer pressure.

Getting easily offended seems pretty scum to me. ##vote Murmur Twin

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Someone want to fess up to what this evil most is all about?

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Infinitum posted:

I feel super bad about getting a newbie player lynched, as I generally like to keep them about as long as possible so they can enjoy the game, but I felt like it was a genuine scumslip and it'd go against my wincon not to kill scum on a slip...

So yeah..

Sorry Added Space :unsmith:

No forgiveness hate you forever.

Naw we're good.

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Screw you too good buddy. :smith:

##vote Infinitum

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So we've got a poo poo-ton of bards, which will probably be more exciting when we know what this stuff does.

Loud music and foul mist - sound like my favorite small venue, the one that hosted awesome local shows until it got closed in a drug bust.

Kash is claiming responsibility for the evil mist, but everyone seems to be ignoring that, so I'm sticking with Inf for the moment.

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Come on, Inf. Dying is the best thing that could happen to you since that maybe would confirm your story.

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At least it's a fair cop this time Inf. :v:

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tpink, now's the time to spill. Tell us your jobs and everything you've done.

##vote quid until better info comes along.

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I'm down to vote Kash too.

Can confirm the necromancer stuff. 5 one shot abilities chosen at random, 2 of which are random murder. I'm not rolling the dice myself but we got pretty unlucky having those ones fire.

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Maybe poison and doom are also full kills? Can anyone who got poisoned confirm?

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Kash is obviously scum trying to dominate the conversation and confuse everyone. Can anyone shut him up?

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Little Mac posted:

Kash is not scum and he's dying tonight anyway per Jam. Voting him is a waste of time. Vote Yorkshire Tea instead.

Yeah, popping a kill out of nowhere is very scum.

##vote Yorkshire Tea

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Every necromancer ability uses the same word for what the ability does. 1/4 chance person is jailed, 4/10 chance person is frogged, 1/6 chance person is poisoned, 1/4 chance person is jailed, 1/4 chance person is unblockably killed. It's a valid reading to say it completely knocks someone out of the game.

Ambiguous language, probably deliberately so. Guess we'll see how many we lose tonight. :shrug:

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Added Space posted:

Every necromancer ability uses the same word for what the ability does. 1/4 chance person is jailed, 4/10 chance person is frogged, 1/6 chance person is poisoned, 1/4 chance person is jailed, 1/4 chance person is unblockably killed. It's a valid reading to say it completely knocks someone out of the game.

Ambiguous language, probably deliberately so. Guess we'll see how many we lose tonight. :shrug:

Mafia edit: One of those should be 1/4 chance for every person to be jailed, all abilities can hit anyone.

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Jamuraan posted:

Did you mean to repeat Jailed?

No I'm an idiot. The last necromancer ability is all targeted night actions get assigned a random target.

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Assuming 8 scum remaining -

Killing 25% of players kills 2 scum and 5 town. That brings down from 8-12+ kills to win to 6-9+. Either way scum have 50% more work to do than town.

One random kill favors Mafia. Several random kills at the same time is mathematically a neutral action.

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Lumpen posted:

Why are people professing to think Little Mac is Town though anyway?

People are killing him for weak reasons.

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Raeg posted:

Honestly that's either one hell of a brazen scum team or it's a null tell.

We're talking Mafia goons here. Odds of one or two of them being impatient idiots are pretty good.

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KB: Going necromancer is still a gamble, even if it's flat odds. I want more info on how it works before I fire it off.

Not much point in offing Kush now because he popped both muder abilities, the rest are pretty flatly neutral.

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King Burgundy posted:

Yeah, he should have it all already since he claims to have gotten it as well.

Check my posts, I laid out all the abilities.

I mean we're 80% sure what the scope of poison and doom are, I just want confirmation.

Yeah thinking about it more fog is anti-town.

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tpink, if you want to dodge heat start helping. Tell us your jobs and all the actions you've taken.

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tpink posted:

I had Necromancer as my first job and didn't use it (see my comment above re tending to play as pro-town when I play 3P).

And? What did you pull today?

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Today was water tpink. You're really not helping yourself.

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So those were the jail and frog effects. Everyone be sure to thank KB and our mystery scum necromancer for slowing everything down.

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Well gently caress. Not me.

I really don't get the whole argument that lynching YT is too obvious. He did something that was genuinely lynchable and is feeling the heat.

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So.... Killing someone, the primary goal of scum, isn't scum activity. Calling that scum activity is scum activity. Ya'll are going to have to explain this logic to me.

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Hurray for peer pressure.

##vote Flam

Now talk.

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Bifauxnen posted:

town also wants to kill people

scum people

Yeah, but he didn't kill the guy because he thought he was scum. He killed him for being vaguely annoying, and brother there's so many better choices for that.

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Calling it before deadline - you hosed up on lynching a viable candidate for no real reason. I'm blaming Mr. My-Poor-Feelings Poque.

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Kashuno posted:

ADDED SPACE NEEDS TO DIE TOMORROW

Hey I voted ya jerk. Not my fault you type so fast you can't read.

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:redhammer:

... Right?

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Did everyone freakin' reroll necromancer in the first two slots? What the hell even is this? :psyduck:

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So, turns out Necromancy was a bad idea. Oh gee. Still got mine, still never using it.

With Little Mac flipping Town YT still looks suspicious. Of course my suspicion goes more to the guy who came in going:

:cry: "Killing isn't a scum move! Saying mean things about a killer is a scum move!"

Then his scumbros come in to swing the vote to a townie.

##vote Poque

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