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Shocker will never be a murder machine, and that is why he will always be my favorite villain.
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Mr Hootington posted:I like comics better when comic book villains aren't murder machines. I like comic books better when the heroes don't die for no reason. But on that note, the return of a dead hero can make for some amazing comics. See: Kone-El Superboy in Legion of Three Worlds.
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Aug 19, 2017 05:05
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RandallODim posted:Shocker will never be a murder machine, and that is why he will always be my favorite villain. Hell same. I was sad when they didn't make him a hero in thunderbolts. That started out really interesting. Rhyno posted:I like comic books better when the heroes don't die for no reason. That mini was the best part of Final Crisis.
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Aug 19, 2017 05:12
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It really was. Also, Blackest Night was lame overall but man if I didn't get the misty eyes when Hawkgirl took off her mask and it was Shayera. YES I'M THE ONLY HAWK-PERSONS FAN IN BSS
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Aug 19, 2017 05:13
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Hey man, I love Hawk....eye.
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Aug 19, 2017 05:17
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Rhyno posted:I like comic books better when the heroes don't die for no reason. For me the deaths and subsequent mourning used to pack some punch, but when you sometimes have characters immediately speculating about how long it'll be until they come back now, I think it's safe to say they ran that poo poo into the ground. I do hope we get some good comics out of Wolverine coming back whenever that happens though, because he's been off the board (even if he was replaced with a displaced version of himself) for longer than expected at this point. I guess "oh here's another you/you just missed another you" will probably take away from it a fair amount though.
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Aug 19, 2017 05:19
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Sinteres posted:For me the deaths and subsequent mourning used to pack some punch, but when you sometimes have characters immediately speculating about how long it'll be until they come back now, I think it's safe to say they ran that poo poo into the ground. I do hope we get some good comics out of Wolverine coming back whenever that happens though, because he's been off the board (even if he was replaced with a displaced version of himself) for longer than expected at this point. I guess "oh here's another you/you just missed another you" will probably take away from it a fair amount though. Yeah, it used to be good story telling. Now we're all like Siryn and assume they will be back in a few months.
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Aug 19, 2017 05:20
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The latest issue of Batman got me on board with King's murder machine Joker.
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Aug 19, 2017 05:21
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Decius posted:Marvel's thinking the same by now. Probably. I hope. Neo-Nazis are showing up to rallies, including the one that killed Heather Heyer, wearing Captain America and Hydra gear so I would loving hope so. gently caress Nick Spencer and Marvel's editorial team.
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Aug 19, 2017 05:26
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Dan Didio posted:Neo-Nazis are showing up to rallies, including the one that killed Heather Heyer, wearing Captain America and Hydra gear so I would loving hope so. I think they probably made a bad call on this story too, but they didn't know how bad things would be in real life when they started this event. Showing a corrupted embodiment of American ideals is a concept with artistic merit, and the timeliness of it only adds to that, even if a mainstream superhero comic arguably wasn't the place for it. I think the biggest mistake they made was assuming all the caveats that make it so Steve Rogers isn't actually a Nazi would translate to the far greater number of people who aren't reading the event and especially the more detailed explanations in the comics that led up to it. They got too cute with it, but Hydra are still pretty clearly presented as villains and not aspirational figures. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Aug 19, 2017 05:33
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Lurdiak posted:One of my never-gonna-happen ideas for a Batman run would involve Joker deciding to not kill or maim anyone for an entire year because he feels his act is getting stale. So he'd spend his time committing more lighthearted crimes, and being somehow even more of a nuisance to Batman because of it. 
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Aug 19, 2017 05:56
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Aug 19, 2017 06:02
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Rhyno posted:It really was. Also, Blackest Night was lame overall but man if I didn't get the misty eyes when Hawkgirl took off her mask and it was Shayera. I'm a Hawks fan but that is because I refuse to acknowledge anything post Hawkworld
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Aug 19, 2017 06:25
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Rhyno posted:It really was. Also, Blackest Night was lame overall but man if I didn't get the misty eyes when Hawkgirl took off her mask and it was Shayera. Blackest night would have benefited from the current DC event model. Just crossing over with the space books being our red at that time. I also like the hawk people.
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Aug 19, 2017 06:26
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Sinteres posted:I think they probably made a bad call on this story too, but they didn't know how bad things would be in real life when they started this event. Showing a corrupted embodiment of American ideals is a concept with artistic merit, and the timeliness of it only adds to that, even if a mainstream superhero comic arguably wasn't the place for it. I think the biggest mistake they made was assuming all the caveats that make it so Steve Rogers isn't actually a Nazi would translate to the far greater number of people who aren't reading the event and especially the more detailed explanations in the comics that led up to it. They got too cute with it, but Hydra are still pretty clearly presented as villains and not aspirational figures. I got the sense with the whole "Hydra =/= Nazis" thing, between S.H.I.E.L.D. and Spencer's stuff, that they were trying to tie Hydra to a more encompassing notion of fascism, of which Naziism is only one (though primary in the collective imaginations of Western fascist and antifascists) manifestation. Like, Hydra!Steve Rogers won't be sending Jewish people to camps, but he's sure as hell going to send someone (read: Inhumans) because that's what fascists do. Every time, always, no matter how much they swear they're not like those other fascists. "Too cute with it" isn't an inaccurate description at all. Also, turns out the bastards didn't even care enough to denounce Nazis unequivocally, let alone decapitate the Red Skull and give his head to Magneto. Nobby fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Aug 19, 2017 07:14
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Rhyno posted:YES I'M THE ONLY HAWK-PERSONS FAN IN BSS I like Hawkman but you have to admit there's been a lot of garbage Hawkcomics. Then again, you also have the classic Joe Kubert comics, Hawkman in the 60s and 70s Justice League, the beginning of the Thanagar/Rann war stuff, the Hawkworld miniseries and the ongoing that I need to reread because I remember that it started out good but eventually fell apart... I think part of the problem is that there's two or three characters who are called Hawkman that aren't as firmly distinct from each other as the different Flashes or Green Lanterns are, and creators who are fans of all of them. As I was typing that, I realized that when tertiary characters are in comics that are bad or stupid for awhile, the characters themselves are basically blamed for it. Like no one "blames" Spider-Man for the Clone Saga, it was just a bad period of Spidey comics. Hawkman is a perfectly fine character, and there's plenty of good, readable comics that star or feature him, but he gets inherently written off. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Aug 19, 2017 12:18
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Couple of chat threads ago, I was asking about who the first superhero was and was pointed to the newspaper character Hugo Hercules who dates from 1902 (had a pretty short printed lifespan; went for five months from late 1902 to early 1903) and inevitably appeared in LoEG. However, who would be the earliest superhero who had a secret identity and cultivated a separate persona to act as a public face? The ones that immediately occur to me are the Scarlet Pimpernel and Zorro, but are there any such characters predating them?
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Aug 19, 2017 14:35
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Wheat Loaf posted:However, who would be the earliest superhero who had a secret identity and cultivated a separate persona to act as a public face? The ones that immediately occur to me are the Scarlet Pimpernel and Zorro, but are there any such characters predating them? Spring-Heeled Jack in a way. E: Dick Turpin too. There's also the Count of Monte Cristo, although in that case the secret identity / public persona is as a part of a specific plan. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Aug 19, 2017 15:17
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I picked up the Wednesday Comics collection for 10 bucks and it's huge and awesome! I just finished the Kamandi story by Gibbons, and I was wondering if the original Kirby work is worth tracking down? I really enjoyed the setting and the various mutated animal factions, but I don't recall too many people saying Kamandi ranks especially high in Kirby's output.
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Aug 19, 2017 15:59
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Is Kirby work worth tracking down he asks
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Aug 19, 2017 17:54
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A Strange Aeon posted:I picked up the Wednesday Comics collection for 10 bucks and it's huge and awesome! gently caress yes, it's a really good comic. It's just not like, the Fourth World Saga or the best of Fantastic Four.
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Aug 19, 2017 17:56
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Amazon's listing one of the current volumes at over $100, so you might have to wait for the new complete omnibus in March https://www.amazon.com/Kamandi-Jack-Kirby-Omnibus/dp/1401274692 Otherwise, it's all on Comixology. There's a current Kamandi Challenge series, which is pretty neat. The point is for each issue's creative team to leave a deathtrap cliffhanger for the next issue's creative team to figure out how to get out of.
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Aug 19, 2017 20:14
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How did they get out of that one that ended with total evisceration anyway?
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Aug 19, 2017 20:25
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Just found the right animal genes to reconstitute him. It wasn't too impressive. I can't wait to see the Tom King/Kevin (TMNT) Eastman finale.
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Aug 19, 2017 20:51
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I'm excited for that Fourth World omnibus. Although it might be even bigger than the Invisbles one.
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Aug 19, 2017 21:11
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Teenage Fansub posted:Amazon's listing one of the current volumes at over $100, so you might have to wait for the new complete omnibus in March https://www.amazon.com/Kamandi-Jack-Kirby-Omnibus/dp/1401274692 Thanks, added the Omnibus to my wishlist. Unrelated, but didn't want to doublepost--does Amanda Conner have a 'marquee' series I should check out if I like her art? I just read her Supergirl story in Wednesday Comics and really enjoyed the tone of the art.
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Aug 19, 2017 23:34
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Power Girl
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Aug 19, 2017 23:35
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Then be disappointing about the tiny amount of interior work she's done since. Funnily enough, an issue of Kamandi Challenge was one of those rare instances.
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Aug 19, 2017 23:53
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A Strange Aeon posted:Thanks, added the Omnibus to my wishlist. Guy Goodbody posted:Power Girl Specifically you should probably pick up Power Girl: Power Trip which collects the 12 issues that Conner did the artwork for as well as Justice Society: Classified 1-4 (also art by Conner). She also did the art for the Terra miniseries, and DC also released a book of the single issues she did for them called, appropriately enough; DC Comics: The Sequential Art of Amanda Conner. The latter is nice since you get to see her art evolve over the years. There is also a collection of her artwork for various companies (comic and other wise) called The Art of Amanda Conner. It's just artwork though, not comics, but it's still very nice.
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Aug 20, 2017 02:09
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Mentioned in a PYF thread in relation to LoEG and now repeated here: am I supposed to attribute a kind of ironic significance to Alan Moore denouncing James Bond as a racist, sexist, alcoholic thug (fair enough) via the mouthpiece of an H. Rider Haggard (a great adventure writer but one who also embodied many of the worst tendencies of his era in his fiction) character, or is it more a case of, "It's okay when my childhood favourites are problematic"? 
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Aside from Alias, Most of Ennis' stuff and Jason Aaron's Punisher, is there any other good Marvel Max comics, granted what I've listed gets you probably at least a hundred issues of great comics, but it's also literally only 3 writers with 3 main characters.
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Aug 20, 2017 20:28
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Skwirl posted:Aside from Alias, Most of Ennis' stuff and Jason Aaron's Punisher, is there any other good Marvel Max comics, granted what I've listed gets you probably at least a hundred issues of great comics, but it's also literally only 3 writers with 3 main characters. Wisdom and The Hood are both good.
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Aug 20, 2017 20:33
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Starsnostars posted:Wisdom and The Hood are both good. I'll check those out. Looking at a list of MAX titles I'd forgotten about Rawhide Kid, which if I remember correctly didn't really have any "adult" content, just a bunch of terrible jokes about the main character being gay, and was probably on a MAX title because the main character was gay.
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Skwirl posted:Aside from Alias, Most of Ennis' stuff and Jason Aaron's Punisher, is there any other good Marvel Max comics, granted what I've listed gets you probably at least a hundred issues of great comics, but it's also literally only 3 writers with 3 main characters. People seem to like the Fury mini-series. EDIT: \/\/ Sorry, I had forgotten he wrote it. Jedi fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Aug 20, 2017 21:57
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Jedi posted:People seem to like the Fury mini-series. I haven't read it, but that's what I meant by Ennis's stuff.
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Aug 20, 2017 21:59
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The Zombie MAX comics aren't gonna blow anyone's mind but they're pretty decent zombie outbreak comics with appropriately gross art. Starring Simon Garth!
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Wheat Loaf posted:Mentioned in a PYF thread in relation to LoEG and now repeated here: am I supposed to attribute a kind of ironic significance to Alan Moore denouncing James Bond as a racist, sexist, alcoholic thug (fair enough) via the mouthpiece of an H. Rider Haggard (a great adventure writer but one who also embodied many of the worst tendencies of his era in his fiction) character, or is it more a case of, "It's okay when my childhood favourites are problematic"? As brilliant as Moore is, there's no way he could have considered every implication of every character and creator of that character in League. Especially considering some of the deep cuts he makes in western literature, his beating up of Bond struck me as kind of mean-spirited; compared to Quartermain, whom it's doubtful any of his audience would have heard of, let alone read, before encountering him in League, Bond is a household name. So I'd say your second theory is probably closer to the mark, given he has Mina confess to masturbating as a young woman to the adventure tales of Quartermain, probably the most ringing endorsement Alan Moore could make.
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Aug 20, 2017 22:11
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Mileage varies wildly, but some other at least noteworthy MAX books: Cage by Brian Azzarello/Richard Corben depends almost entirely on your tolerance for how Azzarello writes people of color/people in general, but the Corben art is pretty sweet if at times equally problematic. Starr the Slayer swaps out Azzarello for Daniel Way (a loss in any scenario) but is more Corben bloodiness if that's your thing. Deadpool MAX by David Lapham and Kyle Baker is nowhere near the best work from either person and is definitely on the far end of "reinterpretations" of Deadpool/Cable/etc. and Baker is in full Poser mode but I stuck with it and remember parts of it being quite funny. Howard the Duck was Steve Gerber's last major project before he passed away and was uneven but also enjoyable. Shang-Chi: Master of Kung Fu was a similar "original creators return to their classic book" but with the bonus that Moench and Gulacy haven't since passed. I never read it though. And if you're really into any of the following creators, you can be a completist and track down: Black Widow: Pale Little Spider (Rucka/Kordey) Dominic Fortune (Howard Chaykin) Terror, Inc. (Lapham/Zircher) Speaking personally I can't strongly recommend any of those, though Howard the Duck and Cage are interesting curios, especially given that were it not for Bendis that might have been the revamped Luke Cage of the 21st Century. I liked Deadpool MAX too but I think that I was literally alone on here in thinking that.
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Edge & Christian posted:I liked Deadpool MAX too but I think that I was literally alone on here in thinking that. No, I liked it too. I was put off by the first issue but by issue 2 I got what the book was going for and I genuinely loved it. How can you not love a book that features poo poo like this: 
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