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As of about 12 hours ago, the Iraqi army went ahead and moved in to Kurdish territories in Northern Iraq.BBC News posted:Clashes have been reported between Iraqi and Kurdish forces after Baghdad sent troops towards disputed areas held by the Kurds in Kirkuk province. Sounds iffy and weird, and not at all a precursor to more escalating bad poo poo in the notoriously peaceful region of the Middle East. So how'd this happen? BBC again posted:Tensions between Iraq's Arab-led central government and the autonomous Kurdistan Region intensified after people living in areas under its control voted overwhelmingly for independence in a referendum last month. Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said the referendum was unconstitutional and demanded it be annulled. The Kurdistan Regional Government insisted it was legitimate and called for dialogue. Crisis talks on Sunday failed to resolve the stand-off between the two sides. The Iraqi government said overnight that it had launched the operation in Kirkuk to "secure bases" and "federal installations". Kurdish officials said Iraqi troops had been advancing alongside government-backed Shia militias south of Kirkuk city and intended to take control of oil fields and an airbase. So basically, the Kurds wanted out and the Iraqi government said no and finally decided to send in the tanks. Though it gets a bit more complicated (of course it loving does). Surprise! It's the BBC again! posted:Kirkuk is an oil-rich province claimed by both the Kurds and the central government. It is thought to have a Kurdish majority, but its provincial capital has large Arab and Turkmen populations. Kurdish Peshmerga forces took control of much of the province in 2014, when Islamic State (IS) militants swept across northern Iraq and the army collapsed.  The dark purple is what is considered Iraqi Kurdistan, light purple is poo poo they took when they pushed ISIS out because the Iraqi army completely collapsed several years ago. The Kurds have just never gotten around to giving this incredibly rich part of Iraq back to the central government because they likely aren't complete dumbasses and know good leverage when they occupy it. So what's been happening since this all started? https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/919701522275028992 https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/919722295253520385 https://twitter.com/BaxtiyarGoran/status/919726146958262272 https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/919843012074704896 https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/919854394346299392 It's been kinda a clusterfuck, as to be expected. So far it seems Iraq has taken the city of Kirkuk somewhat easily from the Pershmerga, but will now have to occupy it and face potential counterattacks. The US has strategic reasons to support both sides, since we have used the Kurds to do a lot of our heavy lifting in the region for decades...but we came out strongly against their independence referendum since it would massively destabilize the region as Turkey, Syria, and Iran also have large Kurdish populations. Also worth noting, that there's been a lot of reports that Iranian backed militias have been fighting with the Iraqi army. So will this be a one-note little incursion with the Kurds just giving up or lead to a full blown war, who knows as of yet. But its 2017 and boy oh boy do we have such sights to show you. As well, this link seems to be updated with potentially good information if you want to follow or care about it outside of just shitposting. But the source is very clearly pro-kurdish so good amount of salt and all that.
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thats very far away from me op
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Oct 16, 2017 12:09
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im more concerned about this shadow the tree outside my window is casting on my bed. i know it sounds stupid, but im afraid to get in.
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what ever happened to the first kurdistan again?
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Oct 16, 2017 12:13
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Holy poo poo, are you sure it's a tree and not something else casting that show? It occurs to me that a sinister arm could cast a shadow that looks a lot like a tree branch.
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Oct 16, 2017 12:16
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Holy poo poo, are you sure it's a tree and not something else casting that show? It occurs to me that a sinister arm could cast a shadow that looks a lot like a tree branch. i love alone dude. please
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Oct 16, 2017 12:17
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that tree could be a kurd or an iraqi you better keep tabs on it maybe secure the perimeter stock up on supplies like snacks and something to drink this could be a long night
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Oct 16, 2017 12:19
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Orkin Mang posted:thats very far away from me op that's good, your chances of living increase the further away from Iraq you are. Blahsmack posted:what ever happened to the first kurdistan again? I'm extremely sure there's never really been a first Kurdistan outside of constant "We are independent!" declarations followed by armies moving in to say "lol"
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Oct 16, 2017 12:19
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Orkin Mang posted:i love alone dude. please I masturbate too but I'm way more concerned about what's lurking outside your window right now.
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Oct 16, 2017 12:20
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iraq is going to eat a dick on this one, they have neither the power not the legitimacy to enforce sovereignty over kurdistan
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Oct 16, 2017 12:21
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Lol aren't peshmerga like way way more competent and better trained/not inclined to just run away if any actual fighting is involved than the Iraqi army?
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Oct 16, 2017 12:22
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it snarled at me. im sleeping in the kitchen.
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Oct 16, 2017 12:22
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That might seems like the right move but 90% of household "accidents" happen in the kitchen.
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https://twitter.com/aawsat_eng/status/919885039780888576T.S. Smelliot posted:Lol aren't peshmerga like way way more competent and better trained/not inclined to just run away if any actual fighting is involved than the Iraqi army? They have been in the past, but they clearly didn't put up a fight for the most part over Kirkuk. Could just be they got really loving surprised though. We'll see if they counterattack and how successful it is!
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Orkin Mang posted:it snarled at me. im sleeping in the kitchen. Just make sure the pantry is padlocked shut before going to sleep
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Oct 16, 2017 12:26
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iraq has an entire lawless country to secure and they go and try and gently caress up the only place with somewhat organised self defence and law enforcement lmao
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really queer Christmas posted:https://twitter.com/aawsat_eng/status/919885039780888576 Well from the sound of it, it seems like it was a midnight shock raid?
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The Iraqi PM gave an address: I love that he put Dr. in his title, I guess Iraqi Prime Minister was too beneath him lmao.
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T.S. Smelliot posted:Just make sure the pantry is padlocked shut before going to sleep will do. im also making a can trap with some string. if it opens the door it might buy me some time
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Oct 16, 2017 12:32
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T.S. Smelliot posted:Well from the sound of it, it seems like it was a midnight shock raid? Iam pretty sure they told them they had 2 days to leave their positions so it can hardly be called a shock raid.
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T.S. Smelliot posted:Lol aren't peshmerga like way way more competent and better trained/not inclined to just run away if any actual fighting is involved than the Iraqi army? Probably, but I'm p sure the Iraqi govt got all the US goodies like tanks and poo poo.
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T.S. Smelliot posted:Lol aren't peshmerga like way way more competent and better trained/not inclined to just run away if any actual fighting is involved than the Iraqi army? Supposedly the Iraqi army has been getting better since their shameful display at Mosul in 2014 (I mean, Jesus, just look at those numbers), and they managed to actually carry out the Mosul operation. That said the Shia militias Iraq has running around are probably about as well armed as the Peshmerga and in general much more highly motivated than the Iraqi army, so if the army still hasn't gotten better it's possible that the militias and pesh might be more evenly matched. Though I can't imagine any side will be able to get much in the way of air support and for both the Peshmerga and the Iraqi forces having air support, especially US air support, has been absolutely vital in their success against ISIS and in general important to how they've operated in recent years.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/919894664341270530 https://twitter.com/K24English/status/919896225255776256 Apparently, the PUK (a kurdish militia) has been accused by the Pershmerga of treason - they made a deal with the Iraqi government to abandon positions when the army pushed in. Which would explain why the Kurds made a full retreat out of the city instead of trying to maintain some kind of resistance. really queer Christmas fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Oct 16, 2017 |
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Oct 16, 2017 13:02
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:iraq has an entire lawless country to secure and they go and try and gently caress up the only place with somewhat organised self defence and law enforcement lmao No kidding. Also aren't they using all the gear the US gave them to do it?
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really queer Christmas posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/919894664341270530 Oh gently caress, I have a real bad feeling about this
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T.S. Smelliot posted:Oh gently caress, I have a real bad feeling about this episode viii spoiler warning
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E: lmao ^^^^^ Not to be dramatic but that poo poo is full on purge territory, on top of Kurdish cries for independence for God knows how long, an incompetent bitch boy army complete with manlove Thursdays and zero inclination for real conviction or purpose for fighting being their opponents, we might see some serious poo poo go down and the Kurdish element rallying around being betrayed and seizing a real chance for independence. I don't think even the USA has the stomach for using our forces against the Kurds so even with fancy toys we gave Iraq idk how this one might go down
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I bet Mr. Sykes and Mr. Picot feel real stupid now for not including Kurdistan on their silly map.
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I find it sad the average person is so ignorant to the plight of the kurds because they're one of the most sympathetic and relatable factions to most first worlders
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So Iraq abandoned these cities to IS a few years ago with nary a fight, and now wants to start a civil war over them? I really hope the Kurds come out on top, like is there any question they deserve their own state at this point? Iirc all of their oil exports are handled through the central govt which basically screws them all the time.
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Caufman posted:I bet Mr. Sykes and Mr. Picot feel real stupid now for not including Kurdistan on their silly map. Those losers better feel bad look at ll the trouble they caused! Why does everyone poo poo on the Kurds so much? They seem like cool people.
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solar energy panel posted:Those losers better feel bad look at ll the trouble they caused! Why does everyone poo poo on the Kurds so much? They seem like cool people. It's always so tempting to exploit a vulnerable population for personal gain. edit: especially when the minority is cooler than you.
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I admire seeing women ready for combat. A standing army is most often times a pack of guys trying not to be bored. When women start taking up arms in groups, it's because the poo poo is on.
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Caufman posted:I admire seeing women ready for combat. A standing army is most often times a pack of guys trying not to be bored. When women start taking up arms in groups, it's because the poo poo is on. It's also been incredibly great propaganda for western audiences. You frequently see it from the Kurds and Israelis, but the Syrian government has done it too.
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Oct 16, 2017 13:50
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I hope to see a peaceful, independent, and successful Kurdistan in my lifetime.
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Obviously it's a biased source but the Kurds have their own news agency, Rudaw which will probably be following developments closely
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really queer Christmas posted:It's also been incredibly great propaganda for western audiences. You frequently see it from the Kurds and Israelis, but the Syrian government has done it too. Iranians, too. Suddenly leaders become all for women's lib when they need boots on the ground and footage for propaganda.
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