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this topic came up in discord and it's cspam as hell if you're into that sort of thing. as we all know, amazon, walmart, and target (but mostly amazon) has basically destroyed the rest of brick and mortar. to start with, check out one of the most surreal, cool youtube channels, which is dan bell's dead mall series: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjU-Cwjfqbo2hMRItlXwnnQ remember malls? those things we used to go to in the 80s and 90s with our friends and family to buy stuff at the tons of different stores? well hoo boy a lot of them have shut down or are just about completely shut down and this guy goes through and films the decay, and it owns. your mall might even be one of the videos! here's a couple great examples: tri-state mall in claymont, delaware https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L4TCUjNhCo the security square mall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XthcNLnnlug the empty corridors are just depressing but it's reminiscent of a time when these places may have been extremely busy. or maybe not, cause some were stupidly built in the 00s and were dead before they even opened. any way, it's a rabbit hole and leads to our favorite big retailers, kmart and sears, both under the same ownership from a buncha years back. sears basically is still shoveling money into the furnace because the owner is a nutjob dude who's using it to essentially pay himself money or something like that, last i was aware. kmarts are few and far between but they do still exist. but the us isn't even alone in this; check out this video of a mall in china that cnn did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zPkm2SU1DM basically post about dead and dying retail and how bezos killed it all and also some abandoned retail porn if you want. trump!
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dead malls is super cool and i wish dan bell did more of them the vids are like the most melancholy feeling on youtube
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Here's an inferior dead malls site that might contain your own local mall http://deadmalls.com/  
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For as long as I can remember, I have had an intense and highly aesthetic perception of what I call the icy bleakness of things. At the same time I have felt a great loneliness in this perception. This conjunction of feelings seems paradoxical, since such a perception, such a view of things, would seem to preclude the emotion of loneliness, or any sense of a killing sadness, as I think of it. All such heartbreaking sentiment, as usually considered, would seem to be on its knees before artworks such as yours, which so powerfully express what I have called the icy bleakness of things, submerging or devastating all sentiment in an atmosphere potent with desolate truths, permeated throughout with a visionary stagnation and lifelessness.
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My Gramps was a race car driver at the Danbury Fair grounds in western Connecticut. Every Saturday night, thousands of people would gather to watch midget and stock races at the track, which was built on marsh lands. The fair and the track brought the community together and helped to make people feel safe as industry died or fled to cheaper locales. Around 1980 the new mayor, James Dyer, cut a deal with developers who then tore down the grounds (which had been standing since 1821) in favor of the Danbury Fair Mall. Dyer was the consummate shady scumbag mayor. Only recently was Danbury even able to find a zoning commish with enough spine to undo and work against the awful precedents he set. Here's more on the late James Dyer: http://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/19/nyregion/ex-danbury-mayor-s-trial-extortion-tale-unfolds.html The Danbury Fair Mall still stands today, most likely buoyed by Long Island transplants who commute to the city. Across town though, the town's old Main St. is bouncing back and is siphoning foot traffic back to Danbury's original hub. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJAsgIIfNM
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Nov 19, 2017 18:45
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the mall near me seems to be doing pretty well still
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Oh, brick and mortar isn't dying - in fact, retail has actually seen a net expansion over the past couple years. It's just that this expansion is consolidated almost entirely around dollar stores, which are setting up shop in retail spaces that had, for the most part, been empty for years. “Essentially what the dollar stores are betting on in a large way is that we are going to have a permanent underclass in America. It’s based on the concept that the jobs went away, and the jobs are never coming back, and that things aren’t going to get better in any of these places.”
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gtrmp posted:Oh, brick and mortar isn't dying - in fact, retail has actually seen a net expansion over the past couple years. It's just that this expansion is consolidated almost entirely around dollar stores, which are setting up shop in retail spaces that had, for the most part, been empty for years. iirc all retail is down, especially premium/mid-range retail. dollar stores and cheap supermarkets aren't outpacing total closures, but it's definitely filling a gap.
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i got banned from the mall for flippin off a county police lol
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Nov 19, 2017 19:41
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Amazon must be destroyed to stop this happening to Literally Everyshop.
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Nov 19, 2017 19:55
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jBrereton posted:Amazon must be destroyed to stop this happening to Literally Everyshop. Nah, we should let them kill each other like G'Kar and Londo.
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Horseshoe theory posted:Nah, we should let them kill each other like G'Kar and Londo.
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Zokari posted:the mall near me seems to be doing pretty well still for me the lovely mall is doing real well and the good mall was taken over by dickheads who jacked up the rent and drove everyone out and jacked up the rent even more to compensate and
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Nov 19, 2017 20:10
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jBrereton posted:Gotta fund local government somehow, and I doubt very much that Amazon is going to start paying Rates Equivalent to The Retail Footprint It Has Replaced. nationalize amazon
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Nov 19, 2017 20:11
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Watching Dan Bell videos introduced me to Vaporwave. Gotta find a silver lining in every cloud 
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I grew up in a town with two empty malls, Titusville, FL
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oh lol, here is one http://deadmalls.com/malls/miracle_city_mall.html
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Yinlock posted:nationalize amazon
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I lived for a while in Anderson, IN. which boasts americas first enclosed mall. Years later I watched Tim and Eric's billion dollar movie and that mall with its used toilet paper shop, sword/knives store paid not to sell its wares, and a lone errant wolf stalking the premises, seemed to me like a fiction being more true than reality because any of those things would not seem so out of place at all in that depressing loving 75% closed up mall.
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there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, and i loving love amazon and i'm not gonna stop using it things you'd have to go to three different stores for, you just click click click, and two or three days later, a guy drops them off at your door like, here's just some of the things i've bought this year: - a raspberry pi GPIO cable and breadboard with a bunch of jumpers - a particular brand and model of watch my wife wanted for her birthday that i'm pretty sure would not have been available at the local mall - a Castleton t-shirt - a geiger counter - some 1/2 inch strain relief bushings - titanium dioxide sunscreen, a bluetooth beacon, and a cat piller - cacao nibs, rennet, fruit pectin, fish stock cubes, and various imported candies - new plastic covers for the exact models of pyrex bowls we have that need new covers every few years because they degrade - an inspection mirror put it all on the amazon credit card that gives you back 5% on everything from amazon, and prime pays for itself even when compared against non-prime free shipping, and you never have to add stuff you don't need to your order to bring the total over $35 if amazon kills malls, fine, ours never had a geiger counter store anyway, and all those grocery and hardware items there i WOULD HAVE bought at local stores, but they didn't carry them
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Nationalize Amazon
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Duscat posted:there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism, and i loving love amazon and i'm not gonna stop using it
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Grondoth posted:Nationalize Amazon
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jBrereton posted:If you nationalise it, some fucker'll just sell it back to the private sector. murder the private sector
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jBrereton posted:If you nationalise it, some fucker'll just sell it back to the private sector. *points at guillotines* Nationalized.
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Gazpacho posted:wonder how many of those things actually went through an amzn warehouse vs. amazon relaying the order to a merchant you could have bought from directly amazon actually makes a clear distinction between these, and i always order from merchants that are "fulfilled by amazon" if at all possible, because then i get free prime shipping AND amazon's amazing return policy, so i don't have to exchange 20 emails with some rear end in a top hat in murfreesboro if they send me garbage, just go to the return form, enter the reason, and a ups guy shows up the next day to pick up your thing, and if it's amazon's fault or the seller's, return shipping is also free for everything you buy on amazon, there's probably someone out there undercutting amazon's prices, but it's not worth the risk to me
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mom and pop just need to make their own website. duh.
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if mom and pop haven't bought some cheap off-the-shelf web store by 2017 they should probably get on that
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im p much a luddite and i use amazon prime
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i always got hella bad vibes in those huge department stores
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Real hurthling! posted:mom and pop just need to make their own website. duh. one of the few brick and mortar stores i still go into is a local music shop to get cables and picks and strings, that kind of stuff. they're still rockin' a very 90's website, and i'd actually be kind of disappointed if they updated it.
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Part of the retail decline is partly because consumer credit kept people spending. This also kept retail space expanding. While the English speaking world generally saw this happen, it was especially bubblicious in the states. Long story short: as everybody but the 0.01% gets poorer, this that exposed a huge oversupply of retail space. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/retail-meltdown-of-2017/522384/ [Scroll down a bit and they have some sort of metric of retail floor space per person.]
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:i got banned from the mall for flippin off a county police lol nice try roy moore
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a lot of the malls featured on the dan bell youtube are not standard chain store clones, once the chains moved out many of the businesses are just small stores with a lot being minority ran.
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Was actually surprised the other night when I went into a Best Buy and saw the place was bumping right along, lot of people there. The design and layout has really changed in there a lot from the old days of rows and rows of CDs / DVDs.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Part of the retail decline is partly because consumer credit kept people spending. This also kept retail space expanding. While the English speaking world generally saw this happen, it was especially bubblicious in the states. Long story short: as everybody but the 0.01% gets poorer, this that exposed a huge oversupply of retail space. Credit fueled consumption schemes also accelerate the process of impoverishment through the extraction of interest over time.
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Every black Friday my wife always insists that we go buy new pillows at the mall near my parents' house, will report back with mall status.
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