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jaclynhyde
May 28, 2013

Lipstick Apathy

Skanker posted:

I gave all AI provoke and share bravery, seemed to work? For yourself, can't go wrong with mighty strikes. You want a lot of bravery when the boss staggers before hitting your HP attack. Firions neutral brave, if positioned correctly, did massive damage to Leviathan in my run. Follow up with forward or neutral bravery combos, look out for Gush. Make sure your dash gauge is always full.

Leviathan was the toughest for me, but Firion seems really good at the fight! Remember to not sit on your bravery if Leviathan staggers near 15k HP since the second phase will reset your brave score. Just hit her anyway. Can't rely on the AI.

Thanks! I'm leveling up some until I get Provoke, which should help...

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Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

BGrifter posted:

The order of people posting hoping for an Opera Omnia code:

ZarathustraFollower PMed by Phantasium
BGrifter (me!) PMed by Sefal
Policenaut Got a code
Nephzinho
Heroic Yoshimitsu

That appears to be it so far. Thought there was more than that.

Oh by the way you can take my name off this one. I actually won an OO code from a giveaway!

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

Servaetes posted:

Could I hop in on this too? I'd love an OO code too.

If you wouldn’t mind taking over the list definitely add yourself to it! Policenaut is covered so it’s not too bad a wait.

jaclynhyde
May 28, 2013

Lipstick Apathy
Finally got Leviathan down, and every other summon battle feels easy. I think it was because I bought Jecht some lucky purple shorts. :human being:

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



Anyone want to try and get a goon room going sometime tonight?

Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008





Next up on the OO list if anyone happens to have a code. Save me from big money.

Azaael
Jan 15, 2013

Coffee?
Might be a good place to post this:

https://twitter.com/DFF_Arcade/status/963401302452547588

An announcement for a stream next week. The stream is on the 20th it seems(according to Google Translate, my Japanese is quite terrible if almost non-existent), and there's some updates coming.

I'm guessing a stage is going to be one them, not sure who, I know Noctis doesn't have a stage at all yet so maybe one from XV? (My personal wish would be to see the Royal Menagerie from FFXIV but again, FFXV has no stage yet.)

I don't think the first DLC character is due out until March? I might have heard that wrong though. (Given their hints are Newcomer Male Late Series Villain whose a Heavy/Vanguard dude, I'm hoping I see a Big McLargehuge Garlean boy with katanas in the game soon.)

Azaael fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Feb 13, 2018

Squallege
Jan 7, 2006

No greater good, no just cause

Grimey Drawer
Zenos would be great

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Caius is the other obvious option, but it’s not like they can’t do both.

Azaael
Jan 15, 2013

Coffee?
Yeah narrowing down from the 6 if they fill in all the missing numbers it could, Prishe would get the 5th slot(to give XI its second and save Yuna for S2 with Tifa maybe to get two popular picks in it), and I'm going to guess Locke in the 2nd for the old-series newcomer. I almost want to say they're going to save Ardyn for the end(IMO he'd be more of a specialist than a heavy/vanguard. Maybe speed/assassin.)

Those last 3 slots are up in the air, but if I had toguess the first slot would be Zenos>Caius(Vayne could be too but he could be Vanguard, Specialist or Assassin I feel.) . While I admit its wishful thinking on my part because I freakin' love Zenos and think the game needs another melee juggernaut for big-body fans besides Garland(Exdeath is mixed and Golbez is shoot), I do think he's sort of 'in the spotlight' enough now, he's gone over very well with the fanbase that I've seen, has a moveset that would fit well into the game, a killer set of voice lines, the whole Shinryu thing etc etc.

Caius I can definitely see, but I'm weighing the whole 'popularity thing' of Caius=Popular in the West, Cid Raines=Popular in Japan. Makes Raines a possibility for a slot too. They could be cheeky and call Snow a villain from XIII-3(he's a heavy dude) and shove him first, but not sure if they'll go that route.

All that said I think we might get one Marksman/Shoot type despite it being the most populated, which means Serah for the XIII spot maybe, or Balthier for XII?

Basically the folks I listed I feel have a pretty good shot for S1 given the(fairly limited) hints.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
Watch them throw a curveball and have the villian be the Shadowlord.

Balthier's the most likely XII inclusion (unless they want to push Vayne), but I could see Ashe sneaking her way in. I'm not convinced Basch and Fran are popular enough to warrant a spot. Penelo's probably dead in the water as far as inclusion chances go.

Azaael
Jan 15, 2013

Coffee?
"And everyone's favorite villain, Shadowlord!!"

...

...

"so...applause? Please clap? PLEASE?"

Yeah I think XII might in order of likelihood might go Balthier>Vayne>Ashe>Basch.....and that's it. Gabranth in a later season(they did say they'd bring back the 012 crew eventually.)

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Remember, these we the clues they’ve given us about the six upcoming DLC characters.

* Three new male characters from the new half.
* One new male character from the old half.
* One new female character from the new half.
* One returning female character from the new half (so, Yuna or Prishe).

Given the odd number of games, it’s unclear whether FF8 counts as old or new.

Seeing as we’re severely short on villains this time around, it seems safe to assume most of the newcomers will be evil. My guess is we’ll be seeing Ardyn from XV, Caius from XIII-2/LR, either Vayne from XII or Zenos from XIV, Yuna making a comeback, and... uhh... maybe Jihl from XIII (or Beatrix from IX, which would be pretty neat) and Xande from III, or one of the FFT villains?

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug

Darth Walrus posted:

Remember, these we the clues they’ve given us about the six upcoming DLC characters.

* Three new male characters from the new half.
* One new male character from the old half.
* One new female character from the new half.
* One returning female character from the new half (so, Yuna or Prishe).

Given the odd number of games, it’s unclear whether FF8 counts as old or new.

Seeing as we’re severely short on villains this time around, it seems safe to assume most of the newcomers will be evil. My guess is we’ll be seeing Ardyn from XV, Caius from XIII-2/LR, either Vayne from XII or Zenos from XIV, Yuna making a comeback, and... uhh... maybe Jihl from XIII (or Beatrix from IX, which would be pretty neat) and Xande from III, or one of the FFT villains?

I would love to see Delita as another FFT character, not sure if he would count as a “villain” or not. FFT has quite a lot of villains that could count, but few are really long-term antagonists. Maybe Dycedarg? Elmdore? Wiegraf? Folmarv/Vormav? AUltima?

Azaael
Jan 15, 2013

Coffee?
For a quick clarification-the devs had stated the games are divided from 1-7(Old) and 8-15(new) for these purposes.

Rinoa I feel could have a shot at being the new gal too. They seemed to have some interest in her.

I kinda feel they might pick up with the spinoffs in S2. I'd love to see Delita there. Keep in mind that not all of the 'other side' are always villains. Just most of them. Some 'villains' are people that start on the wrong side and reform in-game, some are on the wrong side but really aren't villainous at all(he's an NPC but someone like General Leo comes to mind there.)

That said Nomura on the stream was pretty specific when he said 'Villain' for the first slot.

jaclynhyde
May 28, 2013

Lipstick Apathy
When Is Benjamin

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


It's gonna be Rhitahtyn

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug
"We also are announcing a fe/male newcomer from the newer games! S/he will really make a SPLASH! Players won't see it coming!"

Now that I’m typing this, how did the japanese version of FF9 deal with Quina’s pronouns?

...How did the jp version of FF10 deal with Al Bhed?

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
I'm not sure about Quina, but with Al Bhed they also use a cipher; everything is written in katakana, and then they're swapped just like the alphabet.

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

I picked this up and played a few rounds offline as Shantotto and Exdeath. Switching the jump and brave attack buttons makes the game feel a lot better.

Azaael
Jan 15, 2013

Coffee?
So the stream came up with a few things:


The stage is actually Orbonne! It looks like a great shout-out to the original. Small, though-going to be interesting how this one works out in competitive situations. (It appears kinda small, anyway.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tABHYFovoGU

So that only leaves XV and Type-0 to get 2nd stages. I reckon they could line up an XV release with some of that material perhaps.

Nothing on the characters except he'll be coming in March in arcades sometime. No new hints besides Newcomer, Male, Late-Series Vanguard Villain. Guesses remain the same.

Also balance changes:

http://dissidia.wiki/Dissidia_Final_Fantasy_NT

The changes are quite conservative to be fair. Some characters weren't even touched while others were nudged around to more 'different' than straight up or down. There were a couple of nerfs that had people scratching their heads, but yeah, the changes overall are light. Maybe they're waiting for some DLC to be let loose or something, not sure.

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

Can't believe it's canon that Ivalice is made up of a series of platforms floating in the nether.

Skanker
Mar 21, 2013
Game has noticeably calmed down. I had a busy week so as I was jumping back in it was surprising to find that matches were plagued with bots and matchmaking time is all over the place. I'm in high gold so maybe people just blew past me but it's quite a bummer. The one month delay on PS4 from Arcade is also very disappointing, it's probably par for course but this game needed visible support ages ago.

New stage looks fun though!

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

I've been able to play for a fews hours a night on weekend. Chilling in silver and I still get a decent amount of matches... maybe a bot sneaks in every once in a while but for the most part I'll run into the same 10-15 people playing at the same time. I'm certainly having a lot of fun, even if I've been sticking to solo queue.

Azaael
Jan 15, 2013

Coffee?
March 13th is the date of the new character announcement:


http://www.siliconera.com/2018/03/07/dissidia-final-fantasy-nt-reveal-new-male-character-march-13/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Same hints as before by the look. Though for people who like to go into fun theories, 4.25(a small content patch containing Eureka and some other bits) for FFXIV happens to be dropping that same day. I'm keeping my fingers crossed there.

Policenaut
Jul 11, 2008

On the moon... they don't make Neo Kobe Pizza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwyBI0KjENk

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



Never thought I'd ever see the day where I'd say'man, Vayne looks cool' but here we are.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
Honestly weird that he's there instead of Gabranth or Ashe, but hey, NT needed a Monk.

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



Oh hey, a movelist breakdown video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e46GsqGPKxU

I don't know JP, but I had someone who does look at it, and it seems that after staring a basic brave combo you can pick which direction you want to finish the combo in so you can get an advantageous wallsplat. Dunno what his charge is for though.

Edit: Oh okay I found a full translation

BRV

Ground

Ground Rush**: II-II
Bonecrusher: (after Ground Rush) II. Knocks enemy forward
Headwind Break: (after Ground Rush) forward II. Slides to the back of the opponent to knock him away
Concealed Dragon: (after Ground Rush) back II. Knocks the opponent upwards
Left Reversal: (after Ground Rush) left II. Knocks the opponent to the right
Right Hammer: (after Ground Rush) right II. Knocks the opponent to the left
Inviolable Will: Forward II.
Mach Wave: Back II. Tracks the enemy after a period of time

Midair

Air Rush**: II-II
Bonecrusher: (after Air Rush) II. Knocks enemy forward
Headwind Break: (after Air Rush) forward II. Slides to the back of the opponent to knock him away
Descending Phoenix: (after Air Rush) back II. Knocks downwards
Left Reversal: (after Air Rush) left II. Knocks the opponent to the right
Right Hammer: (after Air Rush) right II. Knocks the opponent to the left
Indestructible Heaven: Forward II. Lunges upward in an uppercut
Hell's Kick. Back II. A kick downwards

Dash

Tree of Sephira: II (can be held down)

**Likely to be Pummel, though the kanji are different for Pummel in the original FF12.

HP Attacks

Force of Will: IV.

EX Skill

Monarch's Manifesto: I. Grants buff to self and allies in a surrounding area for a period of time, the longer it is held, the more buffs granted. Level 1: defense and EX skill gauge up. Level 2: Movement and BRV up. Level 3: Attack up, regain HP.

Alt 1: Fortis Novus


Original: Imperial Consul



Weapon 1: Qliphoth
Weapon 2: Enigma
Weapon 3: Calama

ACES CURE PLANES fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Mar 14, 2018

Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)
hahaha the true hero of FF12

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug

ApplesandOranges posted:

Honestly weird that he's there instead of Gabranth or Ashe, but hey, NT needed a Monk.

I'm really surprised they didn't go with Gabranth, considering he already has tons of animations to use from previous games. Although, he does have the appeal of a ~brand new character~

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



So the balance patch with Orbonne went up, here's the total changelist:

quote:

CHARACTER PATCHES:
EMPEROR:
STICKY BOMB: [BUFF] EASIER TO AIM BEFORE FIRING
DARK GAZER (GROUND BACKWARD BRAVE): [QOL] NOW TURNS INTO A SMALL ORB ON THE GROUND WHEN HOLD, RELEASE TO SPAWN THE THUNDER ATTACK, SMALL ORB FOLLOWS THE TERRAIN'S SHAPE, FASTER PROJECTILE SPEED, BETTER TRACKING, REMOVE MAX TRACKING DISTANCE CAP
https://twitter.com/DFFACwiki/status/965910568832942080

ONION KNIGHT:
SWORD AND SORCERY: [NERF] BRAVERY DAMAGE REDUCED FROM 240 TO 180, CORE DESTRUCTION POWER REMAINS THE SAME

CECIL:
HOLY FLAME: [BUFF] +1.5M HITBOX BELOW (-0.3M STARTING ANIMATION HEIGHT, -0.4M PILLAR OCCURENCE HEIGHT, DOWNWARD HITBOX +0.8M), HP NOTIFIES 2F LATER, ATTACK HAPPENS 2F EARLIER, BETTER VISIBILITY

BARTZ:
MASTEREED MONK: [ADJUST] ADUSTMENT ON FIRST HIT DAMAGE REACTION AND SECOND HIT'S MOVEMENT (THE SECOND HIT WEIRD "TURN AROUND/A LITTLE BIT FLIP THING)

TERRA:
CHARGED TORNADO: [NERF] REDUCE VACUUM EFFECT
NORMAL THUNDERA: [NERF] REMOVE WALL RUSH EFFECT

CLOUD:
ALL BRAVERY ATTACKS: [BUFF] INCREASE KEEP VALUE ON STARTUP WHEN FULL CHARGED
https://twitter.com/DFFACwiki/status/965913017362800640

ULTIMECIA:
HELL'S JUDGEMENT: [BUFF] OCCURS 5F EARLIER, EASIER TO CANCEL (DODGE/GUARD) AFTER USAGE

VAAN:
CALAMITY ORB: [QOL] BULLET SHOOTS EVERY 60F, 5 SHOTS IN TOTAL

NOCTIS:
FORWARD BRAVES: [BUFF] BETTER WALL RUSH EFFECT

RAMZA:
NEUTRAL BRAVE: [QOL/BUFF]
GROUND/NORMAL: OCCURS 1F LATER, EASIER TO CANCEL AND CARRY FORWARD
GROUND/SHOUT: OCCURS 1F LATER, ATTACK DURATION 4F SHORTER, EASIER TO CANCEL AND CARRY FORWARD
AIR/SHOUT: ATTACK DURATION 4F SHORTER, EASIER TO CANCEL AND CARRY FORWARD

FORWARD BRAVE: [QOL/BUFF]
GROUND/NORMAL: OCCURS 1F LATER, ATTACK DURATION 7F SHORTER, EASIER TO CANCEL AND CARRY FORWARD
AIR/NORMAL: OCCURS 1F LATER, ATTACK DURATION 4F SHORTER, EASIER TO CANCEL AND CARRY FORWARD

SHOUT MODE DASH ATTACK (SHOCKWAVE ATTACK): [NERF]
SHOCKWAVE SIZE DOWN (-1M LENGTH, -0.75M WIDTH)
IN AIR, SHOCKWAVE OCCURENCE POSITION -0.3M HEIGHT

EARTH RENDER: [BUFF] PILLAR SIZE RADIUS +0.3M, HEIGHT +0.3M, ADJUST VISIBILITY
HOLY: [BUFF] OCCURS 5F EARLIER, EASIER TO CANCEL AND CARRY FORWARD

ACE
HIGH BURST: [QOL] BURST RADIUS +0.1M, TRACKING RANGE RADIUS +0.5M
MEGA BURST: NOW IN PROJECTILE
SHORT STOP: UNTOUCHABLE BUT GUARDABLE
LONG STOP: UNTOUCHABLE BUT GUARDABLE, GUARD STAGGER INCREASES FROM 25F TO 67F, INCREASES PROJECTILE INITIAL SPEED, REDUCE FINAL SPEED (TO SAME AS SHORT STOP), REMOVE SOME OF THE AoE BURST HITBOX
MEGA STOP: NOW IN PROJECTILE, UNTOUCHABLE BUT GUARDABLE, GUARD STAGGER INCREASES FROM 25F TO 112F

Not entirely sure what Now In Projectile means for Ace but there's gonna be a whole lot of new Ramza and Cloud players now.

Edit: Okay I tested it and it's that instead of an explosion happening at the feet of the target, Ace will send an orb flying towards them instead. It's pretty drat fast for Burst too.

ACES CURE PLANES fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Mar 23, 2018

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug
Late to the party, but I finally picked up the game! Any way to transfer over anything from the beta? Character / profile levels, skins, etc?

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
Nope.

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug
Vayne is out, he's pretty fun. Careful about the range on his attacks, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1MifY16ns

ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



Yeah but who cares about the short range when you have the best all-Vayne rooms happening? (Note the timestamp.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5a_5duApWQ&t=112s

Skanker
Mar 21, 2013
So, new character is revealed on the 15th. I see Vayne all the time online, guess a lot of people bought him. If the next character is Minwu instead of Locke I am definitely putting down a few bucks for him, Minwu would be so cool.

The latest patches fixed the matchmaking for me mostly, it still takes a bit to find a match but everything is pretty smooth. Don't see bots too often either. Slowly climbing the ladder but it's frustrating since my mood dictates what character I want to play, the system where your other characters get ranked up is good but it feels like they lag behind quite substantially to where you're actually at, yawn.

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug
I think I read somewhere the next character will be from the latter half of the series and a dude, so here's hoping for Maat or Steiner.

E: and yeah matchmaking has been decent for me, still get bots on occasion but it depends on what time of day I'm playing. Once I got matched with an ExDeath bot and a profile level 4 dude against three profile level 100+ guys, that wasn't the best game in the world.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
Other way around, new guy is first half.

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ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



According to the discord, there was apparently a leak and the rumor is Vayne, Locke, Rinoa, Snow (specifically designated as Lightning Returns Snow for some reason, so maybe he'll have the axe?), Yuna and Nag'molada are gonna be playable, but I don't know how reliable that is supposed to be.

I guess if the new character announcement stream confirms one of them, then that'll give it a bit more credence.

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