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Testikles
Feb 22, 2009

Blanketspace posted:

Seems like the anime is more concerned with hereditary dictatorships (monarchies) than dictatorships in general. Sidenote: "Anime Said It Best" has strong username potential

In the context of the show it's talking about (what else) an Empire, but the character is reflecting on the nature of autocracy and democracy in general. Dictatorships don't have to be hereditary but they are very much autocratic, and still rely on the issue of whether the successor will be as able as the predecessor.

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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im very glad that anime is now exploring the bleeding edge of 15th century political philosophy such as "what if you dont have a good king?"

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

FactsAreUseless posted:

China wasn't a democracy. They've been a de-facto dictatorship since they were a monarchy. Nothing is rising here, it would be like if Putin declared himself dictator. Nothing changes.

Putin had the decency to put a stooge in place for a few years to technically not break the law.

Have Blue
Mar 27, 2013


Panther Like a Panther

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Putin had the decency to put a stooge in place for a few years to technically not break the law.

co-president and life-partner Medvedev resents being branded a "stooge"

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Blanketspace posted:

Seems like the anime is more concerned with hereditary dictatorships (monarchies) than dictatorships in general. Sidenote: "Anime Said It Best" has strong username potential

I read some interesting articles that think that hereditary corporate leadership as seen in Asia might actually be better than standard corporate governance because the whole identity and self-worth of the executives and their family is tied up with the continued success of the company, so they tend to be less corrupt and to prioritize long-term outcomes more instead of trying to gently caress the company over for maximum personal benefit before bailing out on their golden parachute like most American CEOs do.

Caganer
Feb 15, 2018

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I read some interesting articles that think that hereditary corporate leadership as seen in Asia might actually be better than standard corporate governance because the whole identity and self-worth of the executives and their family is tied up with the continued success of the company, so they tend to be less corrupt and to prioritize long-term outcomes more instead of trying to gently caress the company over for maximum personal benefit before bailing out on their golden parachute like most American CEOs do.

i thought most of the japanese conglomerates are run by wings of the yakuza

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

The silver lining is the :smug: satisfaction I feel as a layman for noticing that the 20th Century and its World Wars created an abnormal paradigm that our stupid, arrogant asses thought was sustainable. Now the world is stratifying back to the socio-economic disparity that's been present since the dawn of civilization and there's nothing we can do about it.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

Caganer posted:

i thought most of the japanese conglomerates are run by wings of the yakuza

again, less corrupt.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Caganer posted:

i thought most of the japanese conglomerates are run by wings of the yakuza

I think it's more that they usually have a long-running historical relationship with one of the yakuza orgs that they use for things like doing land deals, etc. This was helped by the fact that the CIA and other similar orgs backed the yakuza as part of their efforts to keep Japan under control and to guard against "commies"

And there is a lot of illegality in part to get around things like inheritance laws to make sure that corporate leadership stays hereditary.

But overall there is thought to be less corruption on the part of top level executives specifically acting against the interests of the company for personal gain.

Split Pea Superman
Dec 16, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe
Lotta authoritarian bootlickers ITT. Shameful.

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009
i don’t respect no authority *green day*

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

FactsAreUseless posted:

China wasn't a democracy. They've been a de-facto dictatorship since they were a monarchy. Nothing is rising here, it would be like if Putin declared himself dictator. Nothing changes.

China was authoritarian yeah, but it had more checks and balances and revolving leadership going on.
So it was a healthier system than what they're heading into now.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
I hope Jinping fully entrenches himself, wipes out all opposition, and then dies, leaving the entire government in chaos causing the already shaky Chinese bankgin system to collapse, ultimately causing China to lose its grip on formerly independent states like Tibet.

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I hope Jinping fully entrenches himself, wipes out all opposition, and then dies, leaving the entire government in chaos causing the already shaky Chinese bankgin system to collapse, ultimately causing China to lose its grip on formerly independent states like Tibet.

China has always owned Tibet :confused:

Anyways: my money's on he picks and grooms a successor who succeeds w/o (much) incident, but then THAT guy fucks up the succession and the whole system comes crashing down.

Harald
Jul 10, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
authoritarianism is the new punk

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Harald posted:

authoritarianism is the new punk

Tiny brain: bow to authority

Regular brain: question authority

Big brain: rebel against authority

Galactic brain: force others to do what I want, which is rebel against authority

Harald
Jul 10, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I read some interesting articles that think that hereditary corporate leadership as seen in Asia might actually be better than standard corporate governance because the whole identity and self-worth of the executives and their family is tied up with the continued success of the company, so they tend to be less corrupt and to prioritize long-term outcomes more instead of trying to gently caress the company over for maximum personal benefit before bailing out on their golden parachute like most American CEOs do.
yeah I read Vice Magazine too

Stink Billyums
Jul 7, 2006

MAGNUM
The only surprising thing is it took 20 years after Deng's death for China to get a dictator.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Harald posted:

yeah I read Vice Magazine too

I'm talking actual books not that white supremacist rag

WatermelonGun
May 7, 2009
They are a dictatorship of the people and Jinping is a person so

Harald
Jul 10, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
If you're saying capitalism is poison, well heck I'm not gonna disagree

ScRoTo TuRbOtUrD
Jan 21, 2007

Harald posted:

yeah I read Vice Magazine too

Vice never once heard of the waltons or bought a tank of gas

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

china has always tolerated if not loved their god emperors, this is nothing new

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Away all Goats posted:

china has always tolerated if not loved their god emperors, this is nothing new

In the end, like many Chinese emperors, he dies of poison.

Only this time, it's heavy metal poisoning from industrial pollution

Sing Along
Feb 28, 2017

by Athanatos

mind the walrus posted:

The silver lining is the :smug: satisfaction I feel as a layman for noticing that the 20th Century and its World Wars created an abnormal paradigm that our stupid, arrogant asses thought was sustainable. Now the world is stratifying back to the socio-economic disparity that's been present since the dawn of civilization and there's nothing we can do about it.

WELCOME TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

(no, actually welcome to nite crew)

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


I wonder what would happen if Trump really pushed for abolishing the 22nd amendment

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Whole lotta fresh dictatorships in the past 24 months. Who's next?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

what country even has a million officials, disciplined for corruption or otherwise

China really is the real life Imperium of Man, and I guess now they've got their Emperor too.
You are clearly unfamiliar with the Communist Party of China's Organization Department.

Sing Along
Feb 28, 2017

by Athanatos

Rime posted:

Whole lotta fresh dictatorships in the past 24 months. Who's next?

can i get some examples?

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Im Ready for DEATH posted:

You know, someone pointed out to me the other day that Trump shouldn't be looking to spend so much money when the economy is growing. That kind of spending should be saved for recessions. But Republicans are under pressure to perform well so that they get reelected. So the parties do things in the short term that is beneficial for them, but bad for the country (and world) in the long run. When you have steady leadership like the Chinese you can think long-term because there is no competition from another party. It's true the Communist party can do some shady things but ultimately they have to keep the "murder you in the middle of the night because you talked some poo poo" low key. They can't get too wild. What I'm saying is, maybe this isn't so bad? IDK
In America, you can charge parties but you can't change policies.

In China, you can change policies but you can't change parties!

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I think it's more that they usually have a long-running historical relationship with one of the yakuza orgs that they use for things like doing land deals, etc. This was helped by the fact that the CIA and other similar orgs backed the yakuza as part of their efforts to keep Japan under control and to guard against "commies"
The mob historically has been very useful as a tool to co-opt and disrupt organized labor.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
Fallen Rib
China's debt to GDP is getting crazy (albeit their private debt might be crowded out by the large government relative to other major economies) high at around 3x the level of welfare states, estimates of economic growth put it at 1.2 percent for 2017 and 1.4 for 2016, debt is growing at around 21 percent, they've put on a bunch of controls to stop dealings in some assets where a fall in prices would otherwise be evident and a huge percentage of their wealthiest plan to emigrate within a decade. Many reasons to anticipate a drastic economic adjustment and as a resident of a country which exports huge quantities of resources to China I am concerned

edit: the gdp estimates are kinda screwy and based on dubious metrics, it might be higher but i'm distrustful of the 6.9% official figure

Neurosis fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Feb 26, 2018

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

In America, you can charge parties but you can't change policies.

In China, you can change policies but you can't change parties!

And in Russia, the party policies change you! What a country

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
My warmest regards to my Xi Dada, president-for-life of China. Let the world move toward your heavenly embrace!

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
I realized I used to know a chick in china whose english name was "winnie" and I hope she didnt get sent to a gulag when that winnie the pooh stuff hurt chairman Xi's feelings.

Teikanmi
Dec 16, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Re: Yakuza
No they don’t run anything as large as a conglomerate. As far as gangs are concerned, the yakuza are probably the most innocuous in the world. They’re basically just a federation of landlords that you need to meet with before you rent an office space in a building they own. I live 20 seconds from one of their meeting buildings and I’ve even chatted with them (it’s a boutique in the middle of nowhere that is only open on Saturday and a ton of Ferrari and Lambos suddenly meet in front, along with a ton of black tinted vans) and they’re super nice and speak great English.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

If you're trying to bait weeaboos the anime forum is thataway

Mr.Tophat
Apr 7, 2007

You clearly don't understand joke development :justpost:
That face when you've just discovered the jade seal and realise you have the mandate of heaven

AbusePuppy
Nov 1, 2012

BEST DAY OF MY LIFE!!!!!! so far.

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I read some interesting articles that think that hereditary corporate leadership as seen in Asia might actually be better than standard corporate governance because the whole identity and self-worth of the executives and their family is tied up with the continued success of the company, so they tend to be less corrupt and to prioritize long-term outcomes more instead of trying to gently caress the company over for maximum personal benefit before bailing out on their golden parachute like most American CEOs do.

But on the flip side, these sorts of companies can also be very closed to any kind of innovation that would disrupt their existing business model, to the point where they can put a stranglehold on new ideas and technologies. From a social perspective they also tend to be very heirarchical and loyalty/longevity-focused (rather than competence-focused), with very few options for exceptional employees to distinguish themselves and move past their peers to the top, resulting in something of a lackadasical overall attitude towards advancement. If you're only ever get to be promoted after X years of experience anyways, why attempt to distinguish yourself?

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Mr.Tophat
Apr 7, 2007

You clearly don't understand joke development :justpost:
I'm gunna hire Lu Bu

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