Phillip Rivers Fucking Sucks

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really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

yea ok posted:

romo is good

Make the thread and I will give a vote equal to the amount of quarters romo thought was in a game - 3

# ? Dec 5, 2019 01:02

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 07:38

Probably Magic: Oct 9, 2012; Looking cute, feeling cute.

Phillip Rivers is the Star Trek 3: The Search for Spock of quarterbacks. You don't question its existence at first, you just kinda shrug, but once you do, you realize how pointless it really is. Also both end up in pregnancy.

# ? Dec 5, 2019 07:08

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Rivers biggest problem on and off the field is he stays too long in the pocket

# ? Dec 5, 2019 11:32

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

really queer Christmas posted:

Make the thread and I will give a vote equal to the amount of quarters romo thought was in a game - 3

Which one are you excluding? Cause romo was one of the best ever in the fourth and at one point was the top qb ever in fourth quarter comebacks.

# ? Dec 5, 2019 13:43

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Mr. Nice! posted:

Which one are you excluding? Cause romo was one of the best ever in the fourth and at one point was the top qb ever in fourth quarter comebacks.

QBR was invented by Trent Dilfer to prove Romo was a choker, and Romo promptly posted a huge QBR lmao

# ? Dec 5, 2019 14:17

cpranger: Nov 6, 2009; I want you to take out Big Bird's knees.

sean10mm posted:

QBR was invented by Trent Dilfer to prove Romo was a choker, and Romo promptly posted a huge QBR lmao

I thought Dilfer invented it to prove Dilfer was good.

# ? Dec 5, 2019 14:53

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

cpranger posted:

I thought Dilfer invented it to prove Dilfer was good.

They never published QBR numbers for seasons before 2006, so it's hard to see how it would do that. :v:

# ? Dec 5, 2019 15:34

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

cpranger posted:

I thought Dilfer invented it to prove Dilfer was good.

Dilfer regularly admits he wasnt good

# ? Dec 5, 2019 16:27

Paint Crop Pro: Mar 22, 2007; Find someone who values you like Rick Spielman values 7th round picks.

sean10mm posted:

QBR was invented by Trent Dilfer to prove Romo was a choker, and Romo promptly posted a huge QBR lmao

I guess QBR actually does have a statistical backing, though the equation isnt as clear.

From Arif Hasan's article from the Athletic

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The problem is that it had been difficult to consistently and easily produce expected points for each quarterback on a week-by-week basis because of the challenges involved with parsing out play-by-play data. Brian Burke, who later joined ESPN to work with their Stats & Info department, hosted expected points tables at his website, Advanced Football Analytics but then ported them over to ESPN�s Total QBR page.

Pro-Football-Reference also has expected points, which one can find for individual players using their play finder. With that tool, Cousins ranks second in the NFC in expected points, just behind Prescott and ahead of Stafford and Wilson.

ESPN�s tool is a bit different, however, and parses out drops, air yards � that is the distance the ball travels in the air on completions, in contrast to yards after the catch � garbage time, pressured plays as well as a few other corrections they detail in their explainer.

With those additional corrections to EPA and a normalizing effect to distribute player scores to a range between 0 and 100, with 50 as average, ESPN�s QBR is one of the most context-friendly statistics out there. In QBR, Cousins ranks fourth in the conference, behind the three quarterbacks we�ve been mentioning.

Tracking data has added even more, with the ability to evaluate every throw and determine how probable a completion is based on a variety of factors, like how many yards in the air the ball travels, how close the nearest defender to the receiver is, the distance of the receiver from the sideline, pressure on the quarterback and more.

By adding up all the completions and incompletions a quarterback generates and subtracting it from how many an average quarterback would complete based on those throwing conditions, we get what Next Gen Stats calls �completions plus-minus.� A more publicly accessible version called �completion percentage over expected� (CPOE) doesn�t use the tracking data and instead uses throw distance to determine the �expected� completion rate. That�s why The Athletic�s Ben Baldwin combined EPA and CPOE to create DAKOTA, a measure that predicts future EPA even better than current EPA does.

In CPOE, Cousins ranks first in the NFC, ahead of the rest of the gang-of-four NFC QBs, Wilson, Prescott and Stafford. In DAKOTA, he remains atop the NFC. If we count Drew Brees, who has played six games this season, Cousins ranks second in CPOE and DAKOTA.

But if we want to look at the full context � determine who�s responsible for catches or incompletions, figure out where fumbles come from and whether or not a quarterback threw a good ball that led to yards after-the-catch or benefitted from a screen pass and so on � we probably need film grading.

The folks at Pro Football Focus have done that, grading every player on every play. Contrary to what many think they do, they grade based on the footage, not statistics. By determining whether a player did their job effectively, they assign a grade between -2.0 and +2.0 with zero given the vast majority of time for plays where an average player would have performed the same job.

That way, quarterbacks are not punished for drops or rewarded for off-target throws that receivers catch through remarkable acrobatics. They will record statistics, but those statistics are a product of their grading process and don�t inform the grades themselves.

They then turn those raw numerical grades into a normalized 0-100 system, like ESPN QBR. According to PFF, Cousins ranks fourth in the NFC � ahead of Prescott and Stafford but falling behind Rodgers and Brees as well as Wilson.

(I linked a large part of the text that breaks down QBR a bit. I dont want to take away from Arifs article because this is a fraction of him using and explaining what advanced stats are to figure out who should go to the Pro Bowl from the Vikings.

If you have an Athletic Subscription it is an absolute pro read though obviously focused on the Vikings.)

# ? Dec 5, 2019 16:34

Fenrir: Apr 26, 2005; I found my kendo stick, bitch!; Lipstick Apathy

Mr. Nice! posted:

Which one are you excluding? Cause romo was one of the best ever in the fourth and at one point was the top qb ever in fourth quarter comebacks.

Isn't he still like #2 behind Russell Wilson Bullshit

# ? Dec 5, 2019 19:01

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Romo has 21 4th quarter comebacks

Rivers and Eli both have 27.

Ben has 31

Brees and Brady both have 35

Peyton has the most ever at 43

# ? Dec 5, 2019 19:05

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

Mr. Nice! posted:

Which one are you excluding? Cause romo was one of the best ever in the fourth and at one point was the top qb ever in fourth quarter comebacks.

Huh, looked it up and you're right he was real good. Maybe it just felt like it because the cowboys seemed to always be in big holes at the end? I just remember laughing at all the late game romoceptions (even though I always did like the dude but gently caress the cowboys).

# ? Dec 6, 2019 01:48

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

really queer Christmas posted:

Huh, looked it up and you're right he was real good. Maybe it just felt like it because the cowboys seemed to always be in big holes at the end? I just remember laughing at all the late game romoceptions (even though I always did like the dude but gently caress the cowboys).

# ? Dec 6, 2019 01:56

Bob Socko: Feb 20, 2001

Fenrir posted:

Isn't he still like #2 behind Russell Wilson Bullshit

RWBS is at 25 per https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=WilsRu00

# ? Dec 6, 2019 03:41

Barudak: May 7, 2007

Bob Socko posted:

RWBS is at 25 per https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=WilsRu00

Looking at this some jerk named Peyton Manning is really good

# ? Dec 6, 2019 08:58

Fat Jesus: Jul 13, 2011; to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2023

Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne were the best wr combo of all time maybe

# ? Dec 6, 2019 21:31

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Fat Jesus posted:

Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne were the best wr combo of all time maybe

Jerry Rice and Tim Brown.

Or Jerry Rice and T.O. take your pick

# ? Dec 6, 2019 21:37

Cavauro: Jan 9, 2008

jerry rice and koren robinson

# ? Dec 6, 2019 21:44

Ehud: Sep 19, 2003; football.

Chris Chambers and Oronde Gadsden

# ? Dec 6, 2019 22:11

Impossibly Perfect Sphere: Nov 6, 2002; They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

Bruce and Holt.

For pure fun, best to watch was Moss and Carter.

# ? Dec 6, 2019 22:30

Paint Crop Pro: Mar 22, 2007; Find someone who values you like Rick Spielman values 7th round picks.

Moss Carter
Boldin Fitzgerald
Bruce Holt
Rice Brown
Brown Wallace Ward
Jones White Gonzalez

Pure Comedy Option

TO Ochocinco

# ? Dec 6, 2019 22:41

Fenrir: Apr 26, 2005; I found my kendo stick, bitch!; Lipstick Apathy

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

For pure fun, best to watch was Moss and Carter.

I don't even like Cris Carter but I gotta agree with this

# ? Dec 7, 2019 00:15

fartknocker: Oct 28, 2012; Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.; Wedge Regret

Bruce/Holt also gets Marshall Faulk, Az-Zahir Hakim, and Ricky �Slow White Guy� Proehl, which is a deep as gently caress group of dudes.

Air Coryell with Winslow, Joiner, and Chandler was also kickass.

K-Gun Bills with Reed, Lofton, Don �Fast White Guy� Beebe, :thurman:

, and the assorted tight ends was awesome too.

Can this thread just be about cool receiving units now?

# ? Dec 7, 2019 00:48

Simplex: Jun 29, 2003

Sure, Allen-Williams is a pretty cool duo. Too bad the guy throwing to them loving sucks.

# ? Dec 7, 2019 01:21

The Puppy Bowl: Jan 31, 2013; A dog, in the house.

*woof*

They didn't accomplish as much as some others but it's hard to say that Boldin and Fitzgerald aren't the best two WRs to ever line up next to each other. At least factoring in their abilities at the point they were playing together.

# ? Dec 7, 2019 02:24

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Uterine Lineup posted:

Rivers is bad and the Chargers are on TV too much in LA so I get to watch him be bad a lot and I don't like it.

Well good thing they'll move to london in a couple years

# ? Dec 7, 2019 02:30

Fat Jesus: Jul 13, 2011; to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2023

somebody come up with stats for rec / yards / tds / bitches slapped / etc to find the True King Combo of receiving

# ? Dec 7, 2019 04:40

The Juggernaut: Nov 29, 2005

Probably Magic posted:

Phillip Rivers is just Michael J. Nelson with a buzzcut.

Joel is better.

Much like Eli is better than Phil. In fact the two comparisons are very similar. Joel doing a stoner stihk and Mike being a pretty hardcore religious right person.

# ? Dec 7, 2019 15:17