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Tiggum posted:They should just do a simple, stand-alone scene that conveys the tone of the show but isn't actually taken from an episode. Like a demo!
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Tighclops posted:Andromeda lost it's way after it's first season and never recovered IIRC It's about series 3 that it goes weird, when Sorbo got more control over it.
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I definitely liked it more than Discovery or Picard. It felt nicer, even though it was maybe too silly. However I was a bit miffed at how american it all is, them making GBS threads on the lower decks people and forcing them to live in those tiny bunks doesn't really fit the socialist future to me. I'll still carry on watching it but it definitely falls into that "all the new treks are being like 21st century america" thing. The whole cast being north americans doesn't help this. Although I do like that Jerry o'connell is in it, that's so unexpected to me! And Dawnn Lewis who is in loads of things but specifically is LaBarbara from Futurama to me. Fred Tatasciore as big burly bajoran guy is good too, although it feels like he's that sorta character a lot. Rare to see him as a main star though instead of just incidental voices. Taear fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Aug 10, 2020 |
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Snow Cone Capone posted:The bunks kick rear end though Shared accommodation is proper "the military" to me and yea while I know starfleet is in theory the military of the Federation it doesn't fit what we know of the future, or at least of TNG.
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Powered Descent posted:The Federation being a stand-in for contemporary America, and the cast being mostly or entirely North Americans? Yessir, these certainly are recent phenomena that have only cropped up in the newest shows. It's truly where no Trek has gone before. I'd say that previously star trek was "the west". Using metric on a US TV show for example, other stuff like that which makes it feel less american. When you're awash with shows that make references to things and people that you've never heard of Star Trek was so different and it definitely doesn't feel like "just america but in space" As a comparison Stargate is very much "America goes elsewhere". Carbon dioxide posted:The rough bunk beds in DS9's Defiant were a thing they were constantly talking about. Only Worf liked them. Yes this is what I was thinking of, Defiant did it because it's explicitly a warship. Taear fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Aug 10, 2020 |
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I guess I thought shared quarters would be like what Jake/Nog had in DS9. So they have their own rooms but have to deal with living with someone else. NOT a military style line of beds in a corridor.
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Epicurius posted:I guess, but if you look at the actual shows and their themes, TOS was very much "Great Society liberalism in the Cold War", TNG was very much "The Cold War is finally ending, now we can enjoy the peace dividend and the added prosperity and comfort", DS9 was very much early 90s, "Hey, even though we're prosperous now, there's still this big debate over race, religion, and inequality." Voyager very much doubled down on the "How do we keep our values and promote those values when we're in a multipolar world with a bunch of little threats out there", and Enterprise was a lot of "Oh my God, 9/11 happened! What do we do? How does life get back to normal when there's an enemy out there that wants to kill us for no good reason! How do we stop them?" While these things are part of America I'd call it western rather than just american. They're themes of the modern capitalist nation instead of just American stuff. I guess making this a comedy is already going to move it further away from that general cultural appeal but the new ones all feel more American than previous ones. Star Trek always felt more like home than any other American show and it's not just because it had actors from the rest of the anglosphere in it.
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Tiggum posted:DS9 was American as gently caress. Baseball and root beer as far as the eye can see. Sisko (and a few others) liked it but it was seen as a historical curiosity. Root Beer was mentioned as a metaphor a few times. It's just not the same. Sure if they all loved baseball and went on about it loads, then you've got it. But gently caress - Buck was part of the London Kings. It's still trying to embrace more of the world.
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It's not amazingly funny but I feel like making fun of working time directives is a lot more star trek than whatever the hell discovery/picard are trying to discuss. I'm sorta sad this one is doing so badly compared to Disco/Picard (who people on the internet love but I've never met anyone who has actually watched them)
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Strong Convections posted:A cartoon is a hard sell to adult audiences at the best of times. Subjectively, the stills I've seen/people are posting are ugly as sin. Well buddy I am not from the US so. Discovery and Picard are far easier to watch here as well compared to in the US and while I did see Disco season 2 advertised a bit it really didn't seem to take off.
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Strong Convections posted:I'm confused - are you saying you're sad Lower Decks did badly compared to Disco/Picard which already did very poorly? Lower Decks has worse reviews than Disco/Picard but nobody talks about Disco/Picard in the UK at all. I thought that was clear from the context of the posts I was replying to, sorry. I work for a company that sells netflix and we advertise netflix stuff loads, but Disco is never included in that. Ever.
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HD DAD posted:Riker goes to the holodeck to beat off, and loads a program that’s just two other Riker’s also beating off. They all look and wink at each other. They're on chairs - you know how they got there.
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So at the start of this season they're in the beta quadrant where Terranova was right? Which means the Federation at least in theory didn't stretch that far. Sure 930 years have gone by but I dunno, a polity that must by that point have covered the entire alpha/beta quadrants seems unlikely to just quietly collapse because some ships blew up. I sorta get why the guy was in that abandoned place but I really expected him to be a hologram. It makes absolutely no sense that he isn't one. And that they haven't gone back for him or even loving mentioned him at all. I couldn't get over him being able to see 2 federation ships on his scans but none of them ever coming to see who he was, because surely they picked him up on their scans too? That said if the burn was only 130 years ago and people in the Federation regularly live to 110 there's no reason his Dad isn't still alive. Or other people. Or...I dunno. There's still so much of discovery where I feel like they have an idea for a story but don't try and make it actually work in the setting. With the seed ship why was it so far away? What was it doing out there? How did it get there if travel is so hard? That's just an example but I feel like a lot of the show is like this. Where did that transport ship turn up from in the last episode as well? I assumed when he said they had a ship waiting they meant Book's ship, rather than just....a random ship that happened to be there. I get it's a ship graveyard and all but still - what? I'm still not QUITE sure how the new dilithium stuff works either. Did it blow up on planets as well? Can ships warp around at all now? If it didn't blow up on planets too I don't understand why it's so rare honestly. And if it did blow up there, then surely that's a much bigger deal than even the ships! But most importantly for season 3 the thing that's completely spoiling it for me is having loving Space Hitler along for the ride all the time. It's like having a good aligned D&D party with a Chaotic Evil person who just hams it up attacking people all the time, she doesn't fit with the rest of the crew and with the idea of what star trek should really be. She also seems to give the writers the opportunity to end every situation with a gigantic shootout which is getting pretty dull. I feel like season 3 is better and that the cast themselves are being wasted because the writing is just so badly thought out and shoddy. Taear fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Nov 26, 2020 |
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The Bloop posted:Dilithium didn't blow up, it went inert, which made warp cores blow up So does this mean everyone is going around with impulse only? If so - why's that seed ship so far out? How is it, even! I feel like it going inert in the "current time" of the federation would gently caress everyone but at this point surely they'd advanced beyond normal warp? I get that this has been brought up earlier in the thread but when it's sorta what the entire setting is based around and the thing that makes discovery special is also tied really heavily into this concept I'm a bit miffed we've had gently caress all information on how it actually works.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It was Terralysium and they were not near it. When Michael came out of the singularity she expected to be there and instead she was somewhere else. Same with Discovery. So at the start they're super far from earth but close enough to Terralysium to contact it - where are they? And yea I know to a degree it doesn't matter but the Emerald Chain are still out there so how are they getting around if the Federation isn't? And yes I did see that, the why of the burn doesn't really matter much (it's a mystery to be solved for the show) but how the new world works after it happened is a big deal and I don't think they explain it very well. Someone compared it to Doctor Who a bit downthread and I kinda agree with that. Modern Who doesn't really give a poo poo about how stuff works it's just interested in telling a story around the doctor and I feel like Discovery is still in that realm right now.
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FlamingLiberal posted:We don't get a lot of information. Burnham lands on a planet called Hima in 3188. Disco lands on another planet that doesn't have a known name and is just called 'The Colony' in 3189. Neither time are we told where in the galaxy they are, but they are far enough away from the Federation core that Sahil can't contact the UFP. Yes these are more rhetorical questions, I know the show doesn't answer them and that's what I'm annoyed about. Star Trek has always been a bit poo poo with like...spacial geography but at least they like to give an idea of how things work for the purposes of the main story of the show. I don't feel like Disco has. It's important how distant they are because how is the Emerald Chain operating without warp? And again why's that seed ship so far out when travel is so hard?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:They have warp travel. They trade for Dilthium crystals so they can use it, and have a major advantage over everyone who doesn't. Dilithium Crystals are just a post-apocalypse fuel analogy. The Seed ship is so far out because it's meant to be way the gently caress away from anything dangerous as a preservation method. Sending it out where nobody is, when you can't reach it, so it hits an ion storm? It feels like it's where it is so they can go and rescue it even if it doesn't really make any sense. I'd be fine if they told us the couriers work for the Chain and they gather enough dilithium to make them a real power in the quadrant. But we've not been told that, we've just seen that they seem widespread but they're still excited enough about real dilithium in quite small quantities that they'll risk everything. Taear fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Nov 26, 2020 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:They're still the Federation, and given what's presumably capable with modern tech the ship is entirely self-sustaining. It just has to sit somewhere quietly indefinitely and act as an ongoing interplanetary vault. But why would the Orion Syndicate suddenly grow so much rather than anyone else? I feel like the "what happened after everything collapsed" part is pretty loving important and nobody's asked it. Even moreso if the Romulans and etc are part of the Federation/were part of it before the Burn. And aren't Orion/Andor quite far away from each other as well? I know there's not really official maps, but still. The fact Discovery has a bunch of non-inert dilithium just sat in boxes is loving baffling as well honestly. Enough that they could take it with them on this mission and nobody has gone "whoa where's all this Dilithium gone???" to me that's more important than Burnham going!
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skasion posted:Emerald Chain is a dilithium cartel which makes them a pretty big threat to any warp based power, maybe they can’t bring a gigantic fleet down on you all at once but if they decide to embargo you then what can you do? Hope someone else will sell to you I guess. Yea, but the mines and such were mostly in the territories of the big empires. We've even had that really shoddily covered in season 1 when they had to spore drive to that unguarded dilithium mine on the borders of Federation space. I guess the shows never made it feel like it was a particularly rare item. Now so much of it doesn't work/has exploded why are the orions and andorians the ones who seem to have control over selling it? Why is selling it even a thing, I dunno.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The Big Empires are gone. The big dangerous warbirds and Starfleet ships that would guard those mines are gone. Whatever intact ships were left at the time of The Burn likely would've been weeks or months away, with far bigger problems. The mines themselves were either intact and plundered, or just obliterated with everything else. Either way, they're long gone and the Orions and Andorians were presumably in the right place at the right time to profit. I don't think that's a suitable explanation. The people who live in Empires don't just suddenly vanish, they're on these worlds where these things are. Just look at the guy from episode 1! The way they've portrayed the fall of the Fed is quite similar to the Roman empire (in that remnants survive that want to re-create it) and I just don't see why the ships blowing up suddenly means "Yea the orions now control all the dilithium". Don't get me wrong, they could explain it I guess but it doesn't look like they're going to. FlamingLiberal posted:Well RIP Coridan, that planet was loaded with dilithium so it's probably gone Wait I thought they didn't explode?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I don't think you understand logistics very well; Warp travel and subspace relays are what make an empire whole, and with both of those gone instantly all you have is a bunch of very disconnected worlds that are now months, if not years, of spaceflight apart. And those mines are in remote places to begin with. Every single one of those worlds, stations (if they're intact) and little colony settlements are just individual targets ripe for picking by literally anyone who still has warp travel and a gun, and the Emerald Chain is presumably an amalgamation of dozens of little fiefdoms over the past century or so. Yes and all this applies to the Orion Syndicate as well. Why are they the ones who seem to be able to cover vast distances and nobody else does? The Fed seems still pretty centralised and controlled with a bunch of ships, where's their dilithium source? If the Fed had fallen apart because of war then I'd be okay with this sorta find/replace they've done but as far as what we've been told it didn't, places just up and left. Crime Syndicates taking over suddenly instead of new states/polities isn't how stuff usually works! You can't run a galaxy spanning empire (which presumably the emerald chain is?) by being straight up criminals and nothing else. If they'd only had power back where we started season 3 off (which as we've seen seems to be pretty far away, although Book still has contacts where we've travelled to now?) I'd have been fine with that. But clearly they're huge and powerful if they're here and also where we started which is AT LEAST 600 light years away (based on the scanning range given in episode 1) sticklefifer posted:I've felt like there's a lot more parallels to BSG, especially in the first season. FTL jumps instead of warp, a border dispute sparking a war after a long armistice, weird prophecies, duplicate infiltrators masquerading as crew, and of course Rekha Sharma guest starring. A little bit of Fringe too, with the focus on the parallel universe and never quite going back to a status quo with a new concept or setting each season. BSG has a defined setting though, I more mean the way the stories are framed than the actual mechanics of getting around.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Why would you assume this? Because they're on the planet Burnham arrives on but also pushing against the nu-Fed where we are now.
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Terra-da-loo! posted:I'm glad it seems like most folks posting in here seem to actually enjoy the three new series. I get so annoyed reading some of the one star reviews. I won't waste y'all's time getting into all that, though. Are you...reading a different thread? The vast consensus is 1/2 are pretty bad and 3 is getting better. The series is written poorly because they don't think out the plot beats. And the mashing together of 2/3 different ideas in season 1 and 2 because of the changes in showrunners. Normally netflix seems to update at the same time as it's on in the US but we're still on episode 6 it looks like.
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Alchenar posted:They meant Disco, Picard and Lower Decks. I got that, but people here are really down on Disco/Picard as well.
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It was a nice star trek sorta episode for once where the issue wasn't solved with violence. I think if we'd not had every single episode totally 100% focusing on Burnham before this I'd have enjoyed it a lot more. I'd really like to know what Ni'var thought the Fed was doing before the burn that made them close to leaving, which the president mentions. Did they actually say why it was renamed Ni'var? I get that the Romulans moved there, but why that name? If they did, I missed it.
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Lum_ posted:They do go into that for about a minute in the episode - basically the Federation was too big, vastly overextended, and using way too much dilithium, which is what prompted the SB-19 project in the first place. I caught the bit about the dilithium having issues pre-burn but I didn't think they'd said specifically what was up, thanks. You'd think that it being big would mean it'd have shitloads of dilithium available anyway. Surely the fed ruling all of the alpha/beta quadrant is way more efficient resources wise than six or so separate conquering empires is? And oh, I guess that's cool. I wish they'd given us a reason in the show though. Ni'var feels mega Romulan to me, it's like the romulans turned up and renamed the planet themselves.
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Mr. Apollo posted:The Vulcan president said something like "the few were being forgotten due to the many". Then Saru said "Didn't your people use the phrase "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?"" The Vulcan president responded with "Reunification forced us to let go of outdated maxims and proverbs." Well I don't remember that at all but I'm...kinda glad. Martian posted:Until Discovery, I hadn't watched Star Trek since 2005 or something like that. Back then I watched TNG, DS9 and parts of Voyager. I had some spare time today so I watched the first two episodes of Enterprise and actually quite liked it. At least the characters and their interactions are much better than on Discovery. Does it stay somewhat good? Enterprise is just kinda boring. It has good bits, I guess - but it's very clearly trying to recreate the TOS dynamic and a lot of the characters get totally ignored. It became a joke how badly Mayweather was ignored for example.
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HD DAD posted:My favorite (possibly unintentional) joke regarding this is in Observer Effect, where the possessed Mayweather suddenly has more lines than the previous five episodes combined. Trip just gives him a “you okay there buddy I always think of that episode where we learn his background and how it's the only one he has a real actual role. It's pretty depressing. I mean he's still better off than say Detmer but still, it's bad.
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It's interesting watching the scores of the episodes slowly creeping down. I will say in this one it was nice to let Detmer actually do something. All the stuff on book's planet felt kinda stupid and too easy - as was said before it definitely felt like two episodes should have been used. Can't say I give a poo poo about space hitler, I hope this is the path to removing her stupid poo poo from the show forever. And I thought the They/Them bit was fine, someone said it was too in your face but it was just a correction then moving on! I wish this crew were in a better written show. Saru/Tilly's scenes are just nice and feel p.star trek, it's just the rest that's stupid. And the use of Book's ship by Saru and Tilly sorta annoyed me because it's doing exactly what they've been reprimanding Burnham for.
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mehall posted:Counterpoint- She's literally murdered and eaten billions of sapient people. And it's played like it's a joke. It'd be fine in lower decks because it's set that sorta scene but not here
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I want it to be ro too! Did anyone else notice that when Saru was looking at the map it was clearly a map of Iceland? Not even vaguely different, just iceland
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I really want them to tell us more about the federation collapsing and the emerald chain stepping into the hole. Did it become less utopian when the burn happened, did having less dilithium mean you also had fewer resources, was post scarcity over? I guess the idea of the capital of a 1000 year star federation leaving it just seems a bit bananas. Even rome had to get conquered and burned a few times for that to happen. Just give me some more context so that their adventures make a bit more sense!
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socialsecurity posted:I'm not really clear on what Discovery did with Book's magic powers that he couldn't of done himself over the past however many years to drive way the plogbugs. Same really but I do get the idea of "look, when we work together we can do great things" which is fine, even if it felt weird in this case. I think I prefer it when the actual story revolves around whatever it is instead of it being a complete afterthought like here
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Finally saw all of lower decks, that final episode really is something special. I already knew the story since I read in dark mode and always see spoilers but it was still good. I cannot believe rich fulcher was in it! Almost as weird as Hayley Joel Osmont being the ascending guy in the earlier episode. I do hope season 2 manages to keep the energy that last episode had
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Senor Tron posted:I really miss that aspect of the shoes and movies where they all really felt like part of the same universe design wise. I think this is another thing that makes lower decks feel better, it's so clearly "this is star trek" visually.
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Discovery just feels like generic sci-fi with the same names as stuff we're used to. That isn't saying specifically that it's bad (it's bad for other reasons) but at least Lower Decks is made by someone who loves star trek. I feel like Mandalorian, Rebels and Clone Wars when compared to Solo have that same air. You've got someone writing a show because they want to write that show, they WANT to be in that universe and on the other hand someone doing it because they've been made to do it. Taear fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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feedmyleg posted:While I agree with the general sentiment, Kasdan's son was hyped to write Solo. He just wasn't capable of pulling it off. Wasn't it that he was given it as a project though, not that it was his baby? I get he was excited to write it when he was given it but he didn't come to Disney and say "I really want to do a film about Solo" Like with Lower Decks that guy really REALLY wanted to do a star trek comedy but Discovery was more "Hey we want more star trek get someone to do one"
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feedmyleg posted:Yeah but if that's your criteria then 99% of movies and TV shows "have that same air." It's refreshing when it ends up happening, but it's not a realistic expectation to have. I disagree, this is more about resurrecting existing properties. There's a difference between you saying "Write me a police procedural" and "I need a star trek, make it again". The former is just a framework the latter is an existing world.
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