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Greg12 posted:I just believe really strongly that Willie Nelson sang Pancho and Lefty better than Townes Van Zandt 
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Greg12 posted:Sally Draper was gentle with her brother in a situation in which Betty Draper would have been mean to Sally. Her ending is absolutely somber, but I do agree with this assessment. Sally and Glenn were clearly Matt Weiner working out some poo poo from his own childhood, as they both have these parallel processes of coming into an adult awareness of how flawed and disillusioning the adult world is, how fallible the adults in their orbit actually are. Betty's death in particular makes a lot of sense as a capstone to that. Sally's series arc is kind of the audience's, seeing with sobering clarity how the glamorous and ideal suburban family she was born into is actually sick with dysfunction. Her handsome, successful war hero dad is actually a drunk, lecherous imposter, and her gorgeous cake-topper of a mother is actually an immature, miserable child. Her ending also harkens back to what Don said to the American Cancer Society: "children will look to their parents and see they're not long for this world," but also that "the children will really be thinking of themselves." Sally's teen years are full of hosed up psychological lessons, inappropriate parentification, way premature exposure to sex and lies and resentment. But the silver lining, I think, is the point you're making here: she's not taking this out on her brothers, she's choosing to be a better person internally in spite of her parents' example. It sucks that she was asked to be the adult in the room so often, but now she is one. And a far more responsible, caring one than she ever saw modeled for her.
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Yeah that's well put.
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Jan 19, 2024 23:46
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It really is, and that one plus other posts here have helped me to feel better about Sally.
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Jan 19, 2024 23:50
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Also, Sally not taking things out on her brothers, being kind where Betty would be cruel, is showing that therapy helped Sally in the long run. There was that scene where the therapist is helping Sally understand why her mother lashes out without excusing it. She helped Sally build emotional tools her parents lack.
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I get why people weep for the loss of innocence or whatever but I always remember HATING being a kid. Growing up whipped rear end lol
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Sally went through a lot, including the entire world gaslighting her when she said her brother looks different
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KellHound posted:Also, Sally not taking things out on her brothers, being kind where Betty would be cruel, is showing that therapy helped Sally in the long run. There was that scene where the therapist is helping Sally understand why her mother lashes out without excusing it. She helped Sally build emotional tools her parents lack. the entire show is itself an advertisement... for therapy 
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sebmojo posted:Yeah that's well put.
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Started season 6 and you can feel the jump to the end of 1967. Half the male cast look like a Beatle except Abe who so obviously got into Zappa.
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after watching jon play roy in fargo s5 don in s6 is gonna be a tough loving watch
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Episode 4 of season 6 and we get that Serge Gainsbourg needle drop which Rush Hour 3 used that same song but that's Rush Hour 3 and what I might do is pretend like I heard Serge Gainsbourg first through Mad Men and not Rush Hour 3 but then I'm thinking the episode aired in 2013 and Rush Hour 3 came out in 2007 so I couldn't edit my personal Serge Gainsbourg history enough to accomodate getting into his music 2013 or later anyways Harry has probably brought in the most consistent work for the firm so why they got to treat him so bad?
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Jan 30, 2024 00:04
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Cause he's a dickhead
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don't behaviour in s6 is loving shocking
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For real, the difference between S1 Don and S6 Don is creative wizardry. S1 Don made smoking and drinking look so loving cool. Hell yeah, do I want an Old Fashioned! Look at this sophisticated bitch in his sharkskin suit and his sculptural cocktail glasses! But S6 Don? Jesus Christ, man...why are you so sweaty. And haggard. And ugh, is that a fifth of corner store vodka? In your orange juice, at 7am? I can smell this shot and it's giving me a headache.
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You should want an Old Fashioned because they're awesome, regardless of what Don did or did not do
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roomtone posted:don't behaviour in s6 is loving shocking you're either a don, or a don't
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Sash! posted:You should want an Old Fashioned because they're awesome, regardless of what Don did or did not do I often do. With walnut bitters and brown sugar, though. Excellent variation, highly recommended. Just not at 7am.
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What if it is 7 AM because I didn't sleep the night before and also I just flew in from Europe so my body thinks it is actually 1 AM?
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sebmojo posted:you're either a don, or a don't
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Matt Weiner: I couldn't have been clearer about how you, the viewer, should feel about Don Draper: Don't do what Don doesn't don't do.
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Got to episode 4 (for real, this time) of season 6 and we get that awards show and– Oh god, the directing in that scene is so good I want to put it on a cake. Paul Newman is so far away from the camera you can't tell it's him but the prolonged camera shots with him in the distance set up an unsettling foundation for what comes next. He talks about who he's supporting for president and then that guy shouts out something apparently upsetting but the mixing is appropriately muffled so me the viewer? I have no idea what that guy said but everyone in the show does. Abe stands up and gets mad. Joan's crying. I'm sitting there like what the in hell is going on? Cut to the diner scene with Ginsberg and when I heard the radio announcement that Martin Luther King has been shot and I'm like oh poo poo, we were coming up to this historic event in the 1960s timeline. Totally caught me off guard. This episode was a solemn watch unlike the Kennedy episode which was tons of fun. At least this time Peggy got the news right away instead of turning off the TV to sleep with Duck.
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Jerusalem posted:Matt Weiner: I couldn't have been clearer about how you, the viewer, should feel about Don Draper: Don't do what Don doesn't don't do.
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Actually thinking back to the MLK episode of Mad Men, the one property insurance salesman coming in the day after MLK is shot and telling everyone about the dream he had... wow, what the hell is up with that guy? Props to the writers for perfectly illustrating that kind of person who has to make everything about them. What a lowkey weirdo. Just finished Episode 7. I'm not sure why Don is getting so grotesquely dominating on Sylvia. Even though I think the arc Don has with Sylvia is well-trodden ground for his character, his relationship with Sylvia does have its unique factors. I laughed out loud when Ted says that the skies are clear when you're above the clouds and then it cuts to him and Don in his plane in the shakiest weather.
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DoubleCakes posted:Just finished Episode 7. I'm not sure why Don is getting so grotesquely dominating on Sylvia. Even though I think the arc Don has with Sylvia is well-trodden ground for his character, his relationship with Sylvia does have its unique factors. I laughed out loud when Ted says that the skies are clear when you're above the clouds and then it cuts to him and Don in his plane in the shakiest weather. Consider what else is going on in Don's world in that episode. A sense of control is probably exactly what he's craving. And power play in the bedroom is not without precedent for him; he assumes the reverse role in season 4 with his sex worker friend.
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It was yesterday I watched Episode 8 "The Crash" and I'm still thinking about Ken's dance. Just finished Episode 9 today, though, and Season 6 has turned Abe into a cartoon. Poor sucker got stabbed 3 times in a single episode!
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DoubleCakes posted:Actually thinking back to the MLK episode of Mad Men, the one property insurance salesman coming in the day after MLK is shot and telling everyone about the dream he had... wow, what the hell is up with that guy? Props to the writers for perfectly illustrating that kind of person who has to make everything about them. What a lowkey weirdo. I don't think he was the kind of person that has to make everything about them, so much as he was loving nuts. That guy was somehow selling insurance instead of yelling at squirrels in the park to stop stealing his emotions.
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Almost at the end of Season 6 and man does the first season of the show feel like a different story, and I mean that in a good way. Never before has a piece of media illustrated how wildly the 1960s changed America. Episode 11 had a pretty gamechanging scene where Sally walks in on Don & Sylvia. Then you get the dinner scene where Arnold and Mitchell arrive to thank Don and they say he's a really good man. I was tricked, honestly. I thought Don was helping Mitchell just to help someone. But nope– he did it all for the nookie. Episode 12– oh my god do I feel so sorry for Ken. His literal job is to suffer endlessly for the Chevy deal and he's suffered permanent damage for it, probably. He's become a low-key decent guy as someone who really early on in the show. Don is completely checked out, though. He is so checked out he could be going to work in Albany because it does not matter.
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I saw a TikTok of random facts people can’t believe they just figured out and one was that they are called Mad Men as in Madison Avenue. Is that true? I feel really stupid now and think it might have even said that in the pilot opening but not sure if I’m overthinking it.
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Annabel Pee posted:I saw a TikTok of random facts people can’t believe they just figured out and one was that they are called Mad Men as in Madison Avenue. Is that true? I feel really stupid now and think it might have even said that in the pilot opening but not sure if I’m overthinking it. 
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Xealot posted:Her ending is absolutely somber, but I do agree with this assessment. Sally and Glenn were clearly Matt Weiner working out some poo poo from his own childhood, as they both have these parallel processes of coming into an adult awareness of how flawed and disillusioning the adult world is, how fallible the adults in their orbit actually are. Betty's death in particular makes a lot of sense as a capstone to that. Sally's series arc is kind of the audience's, seeing with sobering clarity how the glamorous and ideal suburban family she was born into is actually sick with dysfunction. Her handsome, successful war hero dad is actually a drunk, lecherous imposter, and her gorgeous cake-topper of a mother is actually an immature, miserable child. One thing I like about Sally's story is you get to see why Boomers Are The Way They Are. It's actually kinda funny that "Boomer" has evolved into a term to mean "old out of touch (likely white) person" - where the decades previous to that it encapsulated a revolutionary generational shift and anti-conformity backlash to stultifying suburbia. Whatever our complaints about Boomers and how they parented Millennials and Gen-Z... the Silent/Greatest Generation were far, far worse.
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I randomly thought about my favorite Mad Men moment this afternoon and couldn't find it uploaded anywhere anymore so I grabbed it and put it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-b-wokdYsM Randallteal fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Feb 28, 2024 |
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Im betting those old 60s pop tarts were NOT GREAT, BOB!
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sure okay posted:Im betting those old 60s pop tarts were NOT GREAT, BOB!
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They didn't have frosting
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Gaius Marius posted:They didn't have frosting I wanna' see the whole Mad Men story of how Cinnamon Toast Crunch took one of their three chefs, had him go missing, started a whole "find Wendel" campaign, then suddenly he was the only chef and the other two were quietly cartoon murdered behind a cartoon shed.
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My second favorite line was easier to find. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SONRSUcKk4k I think about "Manischewitz are GOOD people - they're YOUR people - and they sell wine for religious ceremonies of all faiths!" every time I pass by the wine aisle at the grocery store.
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Randallteal posted:I randomly thought about my favorite Mad Men moment this afternoon and couldn't find it uploaded anywhere anymore so I grabbed it and put it up: His wife's delivery and expression in this is wonderful. This show always did a really good job on casting minor characters.
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I'm between Season 6 & 7 and Don and Roger's conversation on Munich after Pete asks what they are referencing is sticking with me. "Well, who won that war?"
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DoubleCakes posted:I'm between Season 6 & 7 and Don and Roger's conversation on Munich after Pete asks what they are referencing is sticking with me. "Well, who won that war?" Edit: Ope. Nevermind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6rHu1i0Lo
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