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Onmi posted:What I didn't know is once you enter, you cannot leave, I mean... okay. It's not usual for Pokemon to limit you to an area (Only the E4 AFAIK), but we can deal with this, except... they didn't include a PC in there, this was to "prevent softlocking." I'm genuinely curious as to how having access to a PC would create a softlock. I guess you could release almost all of your Pokemon and not have anything good to use but... that's going out of your way to softlock yourself. if you do that you're EXPLICITLY softlocking yourself for the novelty of it. why would you keep a party-editing tool out of the hands of the players for that reason. And as we've seen not having it can kind of softlock you, too!
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LiefKatano posted:I'm genuinely curious as to how having access to a PC would create a softlock. Basically that. Watched too much Pikasprey and went "Oh man I gotta prevent this softlocking." But there are solutions. Make the PC in the hideout unable to release pokemon, make the hideout be leaveable, make the hideout have a store that sells balls because there is grass to grind and catch like Altaria and Abomasnow and Weavile, you can build a hail team with what's available. Especially because Pokeballs are super cheap in this game, a regular Pokeball is 50 money, Great Balls cost what regular pokeballs cost. And you have, on hard, unlimited trainers to fight and earn money. You can easily set up a situation where "You can't leave this area, but you can not be softlocked." They didn't choose to do any of that. Instead, they chose to lock you in and then mock you if you get stuck. And it's especially bad, because there's no indicator you'll be trapped if you enter, and doubly an issue, no indicator of what you're going to fight. You have to fight the previously shown trainer   And these two, and you aren't allowed to swap out pokemon. Thank loving god I have Blaziken and Gyarados, with their mega stones. But like... let's talk about bullshit, look at the Sand Team, to beat the Sand team, I had to lead with Gyarados carrying the water-boosting incense, I had to Dragon Dance 3 times, pray I don't get crit on the Ice Fang of the Hippodown, and on turn 3 he swaps to Garchomp, now I need to land waterfall through Sand Veil, or I will die in one hit, next will come Zapdos, who will Mega Evolve into an Electric/Dragon type with Levitate. So I need to land Stone Edge here, and if I crit (Which I did when I won), I can beat it, if not, I then have to find a way to hurt this thing which, by the way, is fast as gently caress, with no dragon or ice moves of my own. Then I have to pray Blaziken can get off the rest of the sweep I got extremely lucky in the fight I won, and due to Garchomp's scarf (He was max revived, because again, what's harder than fighting 6? Fighting 7) EQing Blaziken, and me having Gliscor. Basically, I won because Dragon Dance Gyarados is amazing and I got lucky after manipulating the AI by planning the perfect move set. If Hippowdown had landed his Ice Fang on his return, if Zapdos hadn't been crit, if he'd gone to Scizor before Ttar I would have lost at any time. My team for the record was Crobat, who didn't have a proper moveset, Gliscor, Blaziken, Gyarados, A Sceptile 10 levels below everyone else, and a Bibarel HM slave. Oh and after you beat them all, you still gotta fight Primal Dialga who's level 100. So if I hadn't brought Blaziken with HJK, I would have lost. Because he has Moody without losing stats, so you gotta win quick!
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Mar 10, 2021 08:06
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What the hecky. Also is that tyranitar delta, or regional, or what? (Also also, more legendaries is the last thing that needed megas probably)
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The Golux posted:What the hecky. Regional Forme. Also the selling point is being able to evolve your Eeveelution into a Dual-Type  They all look horrible. Also your rivals, one is Brendan, who just appears to basically ambush you at different points in the game and is otherwise not present, the other is Dante. Dante introduces himself to us with a midi-version of Bloody Stream playing, he is an rear end in a top hat, feeding into one of the major elements of the game, no one ever acknowledges that you did a good by winning, almost every plot trainer will excuse losing in one way or another. To the point, it genuinely feels like the game is trying to rob you of all sense of achievement. Dante's thing is constantly being ahead of you, saying you won't be able to clear the gym on your first try, and revealing that he was actually working for the evil team the entire time and grew to enjoy having you as a rival... which I never got the impression of because all our interactions were him being an rear end in a top hat.
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Mar 10, 2021 08:56
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I'm kind of morbidly curious, does the game even give you the tools to deal with that poo poo? Like, making ingame trainers have perfect competitive movesets AND original things that are probably craft-made to be bullshit is bad enough, but having them while giving you no tools to control the IVs and EVs of your mons and then mocking you for not spending 100 hours grinding and crafting a competitive team from 0 is just... something too common in Pokemon fangames, now that I think about it.
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Why do so many idiots pretending to be game devs confuse spite and difficulty? Difficulty is creating opposing teams with strategies and specific counters for the obvious things that require you to think instead of the usual 'use a supereffective attack oh look you won', with some sort of cap that means you can't overlevel too much and cheese it with raw stats. Spite is then stacking that team with every other mechanic under the sun so that no matter how much you think and plan you cannot win unless the RNG lets you. And as for making a new area where you're locked in and unable to change your pokemon around, that's just plain stupid. How is this fun for anyone? Nobody thinks you're cool, sweetie.  You're the kid nobody wanted to play with because you kept inventing new rules in every game that let you win and then threw tantrums if the other kids argued.If you can't beat the hypothetical players without piling on all this overpowered bullshit, then you're bad at game design.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:I'm kind of morbidly curious, does the game even give you the tools to deal with that poo poo? Like, making ingame trainers have perfect competitive movesets AND original things that are probably craft-made to be bullshit is bad enough, but having them while giving you no tools to control the IVs and EVs of your mons and then mocking you for not spending 100 hours grinding and crafting a competitive team from 0 is just... something too common in Pokemon fangames, now that I think about it. You have no control over IVs, abilities, or Natures. Those are hosed regardless. You can EV train at a facility that sells the berries for 50 apiece and the Power gear and Macho Brace for 3000 apiece, which is really nice... but it's only available after the 5th gym. Which goes back to a point I've been making about games going "Oh this is hard and it reduces grinding." Where it needs a huge asterisk that says "Except for the fact that you will be grinding EV's which take way longer than levels." And like I said, you're level capped, usually, at a point, you desperately want to not be level capped at, like a level cap of 31, then 35. Specifically to gently caress you out of common evolve levels. You can't use items in battle, you are locked to set mode, and it doesn't give you any of the fun toys to make it worth it. Black Robe posted:Why do so many idiots pretending to be game devs confuse spite and difficulty? The funny thing is, he's said like "I'm not a game designer" and my only response is, yeah I know, game designers don't stupid poo poo like this on purpose. Also, there's dev room with the two devs, and their teams are loving hilarious. Mizzy, one of the devs, has an almost reasonable team for a post-game super boss, it's still stacked with two legendaries and the regional forms, but you can see there's almost an attempt to make a team cohesive.  Raz, from that post, has this as his in-game team. 
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Mar 10, 2021 09:07
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Tyranitar and Garchomp lol okay
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Onmi posted:Raz, from that post, has this as his in-game team. ...wait, Angeallen? I'm pretty sure that was a fakemon in the kinda-terrible Pokemon Ruby Destiny series of romhacks, is it the same dev or can we add art theft to the list of lovely crap they've pulled?
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:...wait, Angeallen? I'm pretty sure that was a fakemon in the kinda-terrible Pokemon Ruby Destiny series of romhacks, is it the same dev or can we add art theft to the list of lovely crap they've pulled? It is not the same dev. No idea if they got permission, I wouldn't put it past them to not.
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Mar 10, 2021 09:32
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hahaha fairy/dragon garchomp what the gently caress
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Black Robe posted:Why do so many idiots pretending to be game devs confuse spite and difficulty? Black Robe posted:Nobody thinks you're cool, sweetie. Obviously there's a market for games with a punishing difficulty; Dark Souls wouldn't be doing nearly as well as it is if there wasn't. But that dev is not making any friends with that "there are no flaws in my game, if you didn't perfectly anticipate everything I want you to do that's your own fault  " attitude.
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isn't the whole stat split between the eeveelutions supposed to be a stat being 130, 110, 95, and 60, and two stats being 65? how in gods name do you "balance" those for those awful hybrid boys? how do you decide what abilities they get, or is it some horrifying ability that's a mix between the two? there's a reason eeveelutions are usually mono-type.
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any time an endgame team has a mon with less than 4 moves i just get goddamn flashbacks to chimaconda. can we consider that a war crime? can we talk about those movesets by the way? future sight/natural gift/sky attack/calm mind??? cosmic power/recover/hyper beam/eternabeam????? SANDSTORM ON THE SAND STREAM HIPPOWDON???
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Mar 10, 2021 22:21
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With all the talk about other Pokemon fangames that happen in this thread as well as, when they were active, the other lp threads I feel like maybe we should have some type of Pokemon fangames Megathread like we had for fire emblem romhacks back in the day. Though i don't know if there is enough people willing to lp them I feel like there should be at least a discussion thread about them at least.
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Drashin posted:With all the talk about other Pokemon fangames that happen in this thread as well as, when they were active, the other lp threads I feel like maybe we should have some type of Pokemon fangames Megathread like we had for fire emblem romhacks back in the day. Though i don't know if there is enough people willing to lp them I feel like there should be at least a discussion thread about them at least. Without knowing fe romhacks, I feel like there'd be a lot more hateposting and poop-touching in a pokemon fangame megathread.
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Drashin posted:With all the talk about other Pokemon fangames that happen in this thread as well as, when they were active, the other lp threads I feel like maybe we should have some type of Pokemon fangames Megathread like we had for fire emblem romhacks back in the day. Though i don't know if there is enough people willing to lp them I feel like there should be at least a discussion thread about them at least. I mean I literally got a bunch of SA threads to roulette wheel the games we played, I'm so far the only one who's finished. But in general, I feel the quality of Pokemon fangames is... really low. I'm hard-pressed to find good ones besides Gaia. Another fangame I played recently was Sovereign in the Sky, and I really did enjoy it (for the Alpha that was there) until a horrific dawning realization came upon me.                That it was just Golden Sun, I'd been Golden Sun'd AGAIN. Including the game finishing because there wasn't more content when I was coming around to getting into it! No Alex or Felix yet tho.
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Mar 11, 2021 04:01
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I am still of the opinion that there are worse things to be than golden sun.
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The Golux posted:I am still of the opinion that there are worse things to be than golden sun. Oh, I actually really liked it, and it turns out Golden Sun works better as Pokemon than as Golden Sun... But it was still funny.
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Onmi posted:But in general, I feel the quality of Pokemon fangames is... really low. I'm hard-pressed to find good ones besides Gaia. I had such high hopes for Sage, the demo was good and what they've showed of the rest seemed promising. But it's been in developer hell for so many years that it's really impossible to believe in it any more. December last year they estimated it was about 60% done. They've been working on it for almost a decade.
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Black Robe posted:I had such high hopes for Sage, the demo was good and what they've showed of the rest seemed promising. As someone who's been working on a fan game for almost a decade... I know it sounds silly to say "I'm sure it's fine." Instead, I'm just going to point out they've been pretty routinely active in their dev discord with showing updates.Last update was on the 24th of Feb showing off some new move anims (This is needed as Essentials does not come with them by default)    They posted this collection of areas on January 1st  They've been posting updates pretty regularly since September of 2020, so I think it can be assumed that if they had development snafu's, they've untwisted themselves. Onmi fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Mar 11, 2021 |
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Yeah, even when the demo came out they were pretty clear that there wasn't going to be more until 2021 at the absolute earliest, and that was before the whole world exploded.
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Oh, oh no. So I occasionally look at new Pokemon fangames to see what's what.   Pokemon Fangames were a mistake
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Onmi posted:Oh, oh no. What're the odds that it'll have about as much nuance as Fire Emblem: Fates?
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Mar 11, 2021 15:02
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(pronounced like casino royale)
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Jesus. Who thinks, "Hm, I want to tell a story with lots of violence, sex, racism, bigotry, drugs and other dark themes, obviously Pokemon is the best possible vehicle for this type of story"? Why does this keep happening? It's a game about ten year olds saving the world with the help of fluffy electric mice.
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Mar 11, 2021 15:14
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Because those are "mature" themes for grown ups, not like the silly childish plots of the main games! Obviously that's the first thing you have to fix when you make a fangame. And make them harder cause if you don't grind for 24 hours and build very specific strategies for every single enemy you are bad. (No wonder the best fangames just happen to be the ones who stick the closest to the main series in both tone and gameplay design).
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The best part is they feel a need to tell that blah blah blah story, but... they don't feel they can break from the convention of "gyms" and "League"
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Onmi posted:Oh, oh no. there is no possible way this can end well
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Why do i have the horrible sinking feeling that that right there is a future mass shooter's manifesto in fangame form.
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this last round of posting nicely illustrates my point as to why a pokemon fangames megathread would be a poor idea
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Leraika posted:this last round of posting nicely illustrates my point as to why a pokemon fangames megathread would be a poor idea Are you saying that unbound cynicism is a bad thing? 
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Space Kablooey posted:(pronounced like casino royale) Pronounced like Royale with Cheese
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The only good Pokemon hacks I know are Pokemon Sage and Pokemon Ethereal Gates
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Seraphic Neoman posted:The only good Pokemon hacks I know are Pokemon Sage and Pokemon Ethereal Gates Wait, Sage is out?
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Seraphic Neoman posted:The only good Pokemon hacks I know are Pokemon Sage and Pokemon Ethereal Gates Honestly, Gaia is good simple fun, and for all the sillier edge moments, Insurgence is genuinely entertaining.
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Kikas posted:Wait, Sage is out? Not in any kind of complete form no
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I will say, Sage for a fan project has very focused priorities, it hasn't added Fairy because that wasn't out when they made the dex, it hasn't feature crept beyond what it started out as, it hasn't run into the usual issues that cause fan projects to go long, it's just... taking time because people have jobs, and have to work, and then drop out and then you don't have someone who can pick up the task, so you gotta look for someone else. Then there are just moments where you don't wanna work on it because you wanna play games or just relax. This is not an absolute defense, but I think a lot of people tend to forget that you don't get paid to make games like this. It's why really intensive fan projects usually wind up being the LAST fan projects because they either move on to professional endeavors or they just quit.
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idk that seems like an absolute defense to me. I mean, they're doing it out of their love for the franchise. They can take however long they need in my books 
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Can't wait for the Super Eyepatch Wolf video detailing how far down the rabbit hole this fandom has gotten.
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