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Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

BlazetheInferno posted:

But given the level of hype that had generated for 3 after Mass Effect 1 & 2, I don't think it was physically possible for Mass Effect 3 to not disappoint and enrage the fanbase.

Conceivably, but I missed the hype, vaguely heard the game was bad, played the game years later with very low expectations, loved most of it, and then felt the ending was so abysmally bad it kind of negated all my enjoyment up to that point. If I'd written a review shortly after finishing the game it would have been pretty drat negative, and that's a feeling the game gave me, not any hype.

Once the first, incredulous horror had worn off, I was able to enjoy the game again, however, and I'd now put it in a list of my favourite games.

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Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Wolfsheim posted:

-people mentioned Mordin surviving and after looking up how to do it I can't imagine deliberately making the series of terrible decisions that would make that the 'good' outcome

Just play ME3 without importing a save, and they've been made for you.

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Wipfmetz posted:

I myself don't want a Mass Effect without Krogans, Turians, Salarians and all the others.

I do, so very much. I mean I like Salarians, but I would gladly sacrifice them all if it meant I never had to listen to a Krogan again. They're so one-note, and we've been told repeatedly that they have no other interests,, so I can't really see how they can be saved at this point.

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Aug 14, 2012

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Deformed Church posted:

Writing wise, the new dialogue choice system is way better than p/r, and most of the companions and other characters are cool and fun

I thought the companions were mostly dull, with Liam being terrible and the LGBT options apparently written by some fundy Christian. And the writing was - well, I thought it was dire, but perhaps a more useful take is that it was culturally specific, and works better if you're a young North American with some knowledge of military armour fetishes. But with the dialogue system there seemed to be one dialogue option for cheesy jokes and three more barely distinguishable ones. Maybe I find them so unmemorable because I could never stick to an option, because half the time they weren't available?

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

site posted:

also i'm not sure what's with the queer romance complaint

Pretty much all you can do with Suvi is talk about God. Gil has a bit more story and - get this - it's about how he wants to settle down and have a baby with his girlfriend.

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Ytlaya posted:

Yeah, this seems really obvious to me; kind of baffled that someone would read that as being written by an actual fundamentalist (unless they've just never actually personally encountered fundamentalists).

When I went to university, I was expecting it to be a cool and lefty place, and then my floor of the student accommodation turned out to be packed full of evangelical physicists. They frequently said exactly the sort of thing Suvi does because they assumed that I, as an atheist, would wrongly think there had to be some tension between religion and science. Why would an atheist want to make a character bang on about how god inspires her science?

Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jul 8, 2021

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

How'd you get Chakwas on there?

Don't do the suicide mission promptly, send a disloyal companion to escort her

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Aug 14, 2012

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a pipe smoking dog posted:

James is a top tier squadmate and I've always struggled to understand the hate

Lola, ffs. That's very hard to forgive.

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Aug 14, 2012

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Android Blues posted:

Also, it really is a miracle - and almost an accident - that female Shepard owns so much entirely because in the first couple of games, all her dialogue is just identical to male Shepard's dialogue, which they wrote first.

Um. Were they not just writing Shepard's dialogue, gender indeterminate, in that case? It's not like women use a completely different language.

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Aug 14, 2012

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Soylent Pudding posted:

Also probably heterodox opinion but I actually like Ashley more than Kaiden so I usually roll with her in 3 anyway.

I usually take Ashley everywhere. Her character is flawed, but her voice actor is one of the best in the game so I don't care.

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Mr. Prokosch posted:

Biotics are good in Andromeda, you don't need mods.

Except against the bosses with those revolving orb shields, when powers (like companions) are useless. That always pisses me off. Here I am, having honed my three skills to become all godlike, and I needn't have bothered because I still have to plink away with guns.

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Aug 14, 2012

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Pattonesque posted:

the actual conceit of Andromeda is really cool, it's just what they do with it is "two desert planets and one ice desert planet, also every place you go to already has a colony, also your characters act like there are zero stakes"

Three hot desert planets even, and an enemy species ripped from ME2.

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Aug 14, 2012

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chaosapiant posted:

I like Jaal. He’s super sweet and mushy and emotional

He's clearly meant to be. He constantly says he is. But I don't see the evidence honestly. He gets a bit upset at points where humans would, but never raises his voice and barely breaks out a sob.

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Aug 14, 2012

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chaosapiant posted:

That’s not the extent of all emotions. He’s constantly opening up, sharing feelings, and is “sweet” to nearly everyone aboard the ship.

It wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list, but I think if someone is very emotional those things might happen. As it is he just seems like a pretty normal person to me, and so all the 'Angara are so emotional!' speeches seem odd.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal
I cannot stand Thane, he's probably my least favourite character in all Mass Effect. His flashbacks are so like Cole in DAI who is generally agreed to be annoying, except that Thane also sounds like he needs to cough. I particularly hate his loyalty quest where I have to listen to him constantly telling me he's moving into position and demanding pointless updates. :argh:

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

WonkyBob posted:

I only took him with on the first few missions where you have no one else, once The Dream Team (Garrus and Liara) were back onboard Vega rarely left the ship.

I usually take Vega around after I've shut down the Lola crap, but then I don't like Garrus (he's a cop, he has a gravelly voice, he makes going rhyme with boing). ME3 doesn't have enough companions to choose from.

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

WonkyBob posted:

He WAS a cop, then he was Turian Red Hood. As English is a second language for him so I can let pronunciations slide. I've never seen someone say they don't like Garrus. What are your thoughts on Kai Leng?

I dislike Kai Leng, of course. But Garrus is always a cop, a person who thirsts to punish others and doesn't want to be constrained by any notions of due process. It's his entire plot in ME2, even if you tried to shut it down in ME1.

Well, he's less focused on punishing criminals in ME3 I suppose, since there's other stuff going on. But in that he makes a load of pious and sentimental speeches, and I feel some of them could contain the phrase 'thin blue line' without much difficulty.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal
I caved and got Legendary, and although I've played all three games a few times each before, this is the first time I've played them all back to back. I've reached ME3 and it really feels like a huge improvement over ME2 to me.

I know the longer cutscenes get criticized, but I think the flowing conversations help make all the other characters feel much more real. The downside is that Shepard produces more troop-slobbering inanities you can't prevent, but so far it seems worth the price. It's not like she can't do that with standard dialogue responses too.

(Of course I know the ending is coming and will make the game seem retrospectively worse.)

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Aug 14, 2012

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NikkolasKing posted:

Wrex is unquestionably the best squadmate in ME1

I question this greatly, and usually shoot him on Virmire.

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Aug 14, 2012

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Danger - Octopus! posted:

Wrex dying on Virmire and leaving Grunt in his tank are the only objectively wrong decisions in the trilogy goddamit

There's no point leaving Grunt in his tank, but shooting Wrex is necessary to save Mordin.

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Aug 14, 2012

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Danger - Octopus! posted:

Wrex has centuries left to live

Not after I've sabotaged the genophage cure for the good of the galaxy, he hasn't.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal
I'm on team Dragon Age myself, but when I see the stat that 40% of ME players pick 'Soldier' for Shepard's class, I realize that a lot of gamers would rather have guns than do magic.

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Aug 14, 2012

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bobjr posted:

It’s still a little unclear how they plan to deal with the “we have hundreds of babies a year with little effort, we also need internal population control” thing.

It's why I cheerfully sabotage the genophage cure. Mordin tells you the krogan population is stable, meaning that krogans can have one surviving child per capita, same as any other sustainable species.

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Aug 14, 2012

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RaspberrySea posted:

Kai Leng should have been Jacob, 100%.

Oh, that would have been great. Next playthrough I'm definitely going to pretend it happened

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal
Liara has just told me that we humans are creatures of action who pursue our goals with an almost indomitable determination.

I don't think that has been credible since video games were invented, at least.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Bongo Bill posted:

I wasn't expecting to start replaying ME1 again so soon, but here we are. It felt wrong for my most recent clear save to be one where Wrex is dead, so I started all over again with Just Shepard, goody-two-shoes Infiltrator, and go for the best end state I can manage in each game, so that I can try out NG+ with higher difficulties and different classes without regrets.

I have done one completionist ME1/2 playthrough as renegade Femshep who discovered all the writings of Matriarch Dilinaga and saved everyone but Wrex and Rana Thanoptis, and one quick playthrough as paragon Manshep who didn't bother to visit unnecessary planets and got everyone but Miranda and Wrex killed.

But there is a fantastic save file editor for the Legendary edition, so I will just tweak those saves when I fancy playing ME3 again.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal
I didn't think you could romance Vega, either

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

sassassin posted:

I'm only up to the point with Liam where he has explained that there is nothing interesting about him or his reasons for joining up. He seems set up to be as bland and inoffensive an intro teammate as possible.

But you have already seen the bit where, after arriving as an armed group on a alien planet, you remind him of the 'don't shoot first' policy, and he immediately shoots first. Then when told not to waste ammo shooting at corpses he immediately wastes some more.

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Major Isoor posted:

I guess it's kinda understandable though, when it looks like your entire species is about to go down the drain

If Tali isn't alive when you side with the Geth in ME3, Aunty Ra'an shoots herself instead.

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

edogawa rando posted:

How do you lose anyone on the Suicide Mission? Saving everyone is child's play.

I've played the game several times, to try out the different classes, paragon vs renegade, romances etc, so naturally I've done a 'kill everyone and see what happens in ME3' option too.

From this I learnt that Mordin, Tali, and Legion should be kept alive as a priority, Jack too if I can face her loyalty mission, but there is no need to do Jacob or Grunt's, and Thane and Garrus should definitely die in the suicide mission.

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Aug 14, 2012

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Android Blues posted:

I'm pretty sure she doesn't actually die if you pick her for the bubble, one of your squad members dies instead.

Yes, I think it's always a companion who's in the bubble with you (but not the bubble-maker) who dies, and there's an ordered list of most vulnerable characters, with Thane at the top. So if you have Thane with you and Miranda making the bubble, Thane will die; if you have Jack with you but Thane making the bubble, Jack will die.

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Aug 14, 2012

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Jokymi posted:

Mordin gets replaced by Padock Wiks, who only appears briefly in the Salarian homeworld mission, and he ends up being a fun character who looks at things from a much more spiritual side than Mordin does.


Warning: Padok Wiks is a standard Bioware scientist character, by which I mean he says 'why shouldn't scientists believe in god? I see divine purpose in creation'. Worse, he says the theory of evolution is cool but he wishes to find its purpose, as though the whole point of the Darwinian revolution was that purpose isn't required. He has no other conversation and is essentially a punishment for killing off Mordin, you monsters.

E: killing off Garrus is good, however. In ME3 Liara comes with you to get the Primarch, and you don't have to listen to Garrus's sentimental speeches or have that awful final conversation about the afterlife.

Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Sep 22, 2021

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

RFC2324 posted:

The biggest problem with that is the 50k year cycle when it should be a million year cycle to allow for new intelligence to evolve

I agree it feels short, but the game suggests they don't need to wait for species to evolve. Humans were around in the previous cycle and they left us alone. It's cultural development they want to stop, which snowballs much faster.

In fact I think it clearly develops too fast for 50000 yr cycles - they should have killed off our ancestors.

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Aug 14, 2012

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Bongo Bill posted:

It's also dumb and bad that you can't change class on NG+. Is this something a save editor can do?

Yes it is, at least if you have the Legendary edition there is an excellent trilogy save editor at Nexus.

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Aug 14, 2012

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Pattonesque posted:

"the choice you made didn't matter, in our series about Your Choices Mattering"

I dunno, I think insisting that our choices must matter in a game is strange. Life isn't like that. I want to have some choices in conversation that result in different dialogue and relationships - that's realistic, and ME offers it. But I don't need to be able to persuade ancient AIs by the power of my diplomatic deeds, when I typically can't persuade anyone of anything. As this post may show...

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Aug 14, 2012

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sassassin posted:

If Shephard is dead ME3 never happens because

Without someone telling people they have to fight, or die, they just spend their last days ironing instead

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Aug 14, 2012

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Bioshuffle posted:

I'm playing Andromeda for the first time and I'm disappointed by the lack of choices in the game. Will this change as the game goes on? Does your personality end up making a huge difference in the end?

No and no.

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Aug 14, 2012

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RenegadeStyle1 posted:

I don't understand why everyone (mostly on Reddit) hates Liam so much. He's not the most fleshed out character but he's alright. He's no Jacob.

He's worse than Jacob. At the start of the game you remind him of the 'no shooting first' rule of planetary investigation, and he immediately shoots first. Then he is told to stop wasting ammo and he immediately wastes some more ammo. Then he shares secret info without consulting anyone because he's sure he's right. He should not be allowed anywhere near anything dangerous.

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Aug 14, 2012

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The legendary edition is simply better, if only because it"s easier to carry your save from one game to the next.

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Aug 14, 2012

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NikkolasKing posted:

Why in the world would anyone care if an accent is real or fake, though....? Mary Poppins was a great movie.

Arguably, Dick van Dyke's accent in that is too far from anything real to set up expectations, and his character doesn't have to fit in with anyone else.

But when you have a game where eg elves have Northern Irish accents, but a character who grew up with them speaks with a Welsh accent instead, well, it can still be a great game, but that accent inconsistency is a blemish.

Similarly, in a game where elves speak British most of the time, if one of them suddenly says 'clahsh' or 'for-est', it's disconcerting, and detracts slightly from the portrayal. Not a big fault, but we aren't restricted to criticizing big faults.

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