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Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Rocko Bonaparte posted:

I'd laugh about Zuck's VR obsession, but it looks almost charming when you put that side-to-side with Musk and Twitter.

He honestly believes that he will be vindicated by history and that even if he ends up losing money that he won't make back he will be remembered as a pioneer.

This is extremely funny.

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Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

thermodynamics cheated
A pioneer of what though

Honest question. Everything coming out of even the most curated metaverse vr content promotional feels a lot like regression to the otherworldly oddlands of early cgi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyGfxCxnZW0

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Saying the problem with Discord is that it doesn't have traditional Twitter/Facebook social media features is like saying the problem with car doors is they don't have a spot for you to insert your penis so you can slam it in the door more efficiently.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Clarste posted:

He honestly believes that he will be vindicated by history and that even if he ends up losing money that he won't make back he will be remembered as a pioneer.

This is extremely funny.

The "loses all his money" part is extremely likely at this point. "Vindicated by history", much less so, even if there is a history to look back on in 100 years time.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

Nelson Mandingo posted:

Yeah but look at it this way. This is the one very obvious pitfall that I think would happen instantly out of all this. Again using a hypothetical, discord starts it's own social media website/app addition. So you're doomscrolling one day as you do with social media and you see a post by @1776Patriot about how VACCINES are gonna KILL YOUR loving DOG!!!

You just got your dog it's shots, and you don't want your dog to die. So you click his post, and hey he's got a discord channel. And you join and now you're reading about how Hillary Clinton is drinking the blood of frightened white teens and giving YOUR MONEY to THE MEXICANS.

And now you're trapped in an information silo.

Anyway I'm not gonna harp on this much more. I just think with the obvious strength of the app and userbase it's a potentiality with twitter flailing and Musk deciding to ban comedy again it's an interesting thought experiment.



About that...

https://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/1589443469189484545?s=20&t=sHU8DVXmE5-ZGw6xqB01vA

The Chaser still has this up at least
https://twitter.com/chaser/status/1589443482628009984

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.
Mastodon is probably having a great time of things, but I'm skeptical that decentralization for this kind of platform (/protocol) will ever really work as a competitor for most people. To the extent that things are siloed it's less enticing for people to use as a broadcasting platform, to the extent that things are not siloed you get the same moderation problems.

PS Chipzel's music is extremely cool and good.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


Elon got YouTuber Ethan Klein and the h3h3productions Twitter account for making a clearly-marked parody impersonation, so he isn't giving a poo poo about who he's banning.

https://twitter.com/halomancer1/status/1589484940772913152?t=8-lalq8zqDYab7rGrRuTcg&s=19

Also, he banned a journalist after they impersonated far-right provocateur Andy Ngo and Ngo replied-tweeted under a Musk tweet about to ban them.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Nov 7, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Those 14 remaining moderators hard at work, I see

Big Slammu
May 31, 2010

JAWSOMEEE

PT6A posted:

Saying the problem with Discord is that it doesn't have traditional Twitter/Facebook social media features is like saying the problem with car doors is they don't have a spot for you to insert your penis so you can slam it in the door more efficiently.

A glorified IRC/Ventrilo platform for video game nerds is not going to garner adoption from the masses

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Welp, there he goes... https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589639376186724354?t=zyyXd8VPwR87eLAV3GdRpQ&s=19

Old James
Nov 20, 2003

Wait a sec. I don't know an Old James!


And when we have a Republican President, “a split government cannot get things done. So I encourage you to vote Republican.”

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Big Slammu posted:

A glorified IRC/Ventrilo platform for video game nerds is not going to garner adoption from the masses

Ok, and? It shouldn’t, and doesn’t need to.

Big Slammu
May 31, 2010

JAWSOMEEE

PT6A posted:

Ok, and? It shouldn’t, and doesn’t need to.

Are we talking about a replacement for twitter or something else

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

I'm thinking this is probably the end of Twitter. If Elon is showing his biases, that doesn't bode well for either the politicians, journalists, activists, or the marketing teams on the site. Since we already see him acting in a petty way toward his critics and now he's making political endorsements, he's clearly not being an objective neutral party running the site.

Who wants to spend ad money for GMs or Fords new EVs for the site owner to post underneath them that they suck, buy Tesla instead?

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Young Freud posted:

I'm thinking this is probably the end of Twitter. If Elon is showing his biases, that doesn't bode well for either the politicians, journalists, activists, or the marketing teams on the site. Since we already see him acting in a petty way toward his critics and now he's making political endorsements, he's clearly not being an objective neutral party running the site.

Who wants to spend ad money for GMs or Fords new EVs for the site owner to post underneath them that they suck, buy Tesla instead?

I wouldn't be surprised if he cancels GM and Ford ad buys himself at this point. He's already acting like he's the king of twitter, his word is law, and dissent will not be tolerated

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

You're already seeing the exodus of journalists. That Elon calling Mastodon "Masturbation" was economist Paul Krugman cross-posting from Mastodon. I have a feeling that, even given it's learning curve and gated nature, Mastodon will become the big journalism clearing house like Twitter was.

Maybe politicians, too, since they can get a server, federate it with the party's server, and mod their audiences so you don't get the weirdos interacting with AOC.

Everyone will be cross-posting until Twitter collapses, so most people will know where to get the news after everything.

kliras
Mar 27, 2021
journalists are busy setting up newsletter lifeboats for the time being

it's probably up to the bigger newspapers in some way to figure out how they plan on getting out their articles at some point beyond individual journalists trying to navigate it all

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
This cannot stand.

https://twitter.com/alyankovic/status/1589684140286554115?s=20&t=Rq9OBX_FH_P0KiNy-dK-pg

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Richard Marx giving Elon both barrels. :hellyeah:

https://twitter.com/richardmarx/status/1589424592757886980?s=20&t=rGaJs71qqGlDZl80Jkwkzw

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

What does/did it say? I don’t even see “this tweet was deleted”, I see “this page is down”

Edit: it loads if I remove the querystring

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Wayne Knight posted:

What does/did it say? I don’t even see “this tweet was deleted”, I see “this page is down”

Edit: it loads if I remove the querystring

It may just be my imagination, but I feel like Twitter somehow already loads slower and less reliably

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

haveblue posted:

It may just be my imagination, but I feel like Twitter somehow already loads slower and less reliably

I've been getting double posts since Musk took over, so there's definitely something wrong.

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

To paraphrase a tweet that I can't find now, we're all the band playing on the Titanic except everyone is laughing at the iceberg and the iceberg is very mad about it.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
https://twitter.com/verge/status/1589798095877214211

We are officially at the starting line of Elon Musk's Lowtax Speedrun Any%

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

nine-gear crow posted:

https://twitter.com/verge/status/1589798095877214211

We are officially at the starting line of Elon Musk's Lowtax Speedrun Any%

I assume the paywall is subscription-based and not :10bux: once

Old James
Nov 20, 2003

Wait a sec. I don't know an Old James!

nine-gear crow posted:

https://twitter.com/verge/status/1589798095877214211

We are officially at the starting line of Elon Musk's Lowtax Speedrun Any%

He's been compared to Iron Man and is now going after a DC Universe comparison.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
When even the New York Times is openly accusing him of posting through it, he's looking real bad. His image is in the toilet, and every tweet he sends just increases the mockery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/07/technology/elon-musk-twitter-spree.html

quote:

Facing a Tide of Criticism, Elon Musk Is Tweeting Through It
The new owner of Twitter has embarked on a tweeting spree to push back, spar and justify his actions.

Under pressure and facing a wave of criticism, Elon Musk has increasingly turned to his favorite release valve: Twitter.

Since Saturday, Mr. Musk, the world’s richest man and the new owner of Twitter, has embarked on a tweeting spree so voluminous that he is on a pace to post more than 750 times this month, or more than 25 times a day, according to an analysis from the digital investigations company Memetica. That would be up from about 13 times a day in April, when Mr. Musk first agreed to buy Twitter.

His recent tweets have covered an increasingly broad range of topics. Over the last four days, Mr. Musk, 51, needled the comedian Kathy Griffin and beefed with the Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey on the platform. He made masturbation jokes aimed at a rival — and much smaller — social media platform. He posted, then deleted, a tweet engaging with a quote from a white nationalist. And he defended his ownership of Twitter, including why he had laid off 50 percent of the company’s staff and why people should not impersonate others on the service.

All in all, Mr. Musk, who described himself in his Twitter profile as “Chief Twit” before later changing the description to “Twitter Complaint Hotline Operator,” has tweeted more than 105 times since Friday, mainly about Twitter, according to a tally by Memetica.

“Birds haven’t been real since 1986,” Mr. Musk tweeted on Sunday in a discussion thread about Twitter, including a meme from an absurdist conspiracy theory that posits that birds are actually robot spies. He did not respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Musk is under tremendous scrutiny 11 days after completing his $44 billion deal for Twitter, which was the largest leveraged buyout of a technology company in history. On Friday, he cut roughly 3,700 of the company’s 7,500 employees, saying he had no choice because Twitter was losing $4 million a day. At the same time, he has found himself embroiled in the same content debates that have plagued other social media companies, including how to give people a way to speak out without spreading misinformation and toxic speech.

Already Mr. Musk has had to delay the rollout of a subscription product that would have given people check marks on their Twitter profiles. Advertisers have paused their spending on Twitter over fears that Mr. Musk will loosen content rules on the platform. And the midterm elections are set to be a test of how a slimmed-down Twitter will perform in catching inflammatory posts and misinformation about voting and election results.

In a report that was published on Monday, researchers at the Fletcher School at Tufts University said the early signs of Mr. Musk’s Twitter “show the platform is heading in the wrong direction under his leadership — at a particularly inconvenient time for American democracy.”

The researchers said they had tracked narratives about civil war, election fraud, citizen policing of voting, and allegations of pedophilia and grooming on Twitter from July through October. “Post-Musk takeover, the quality of the conversation has decayed” as more extremists and misinformation peddlers have tested the platform’s boundaries, the researchers wrote.

Amid the hubbub, Mr. Musk’s behavior on Twitter suggests that he intends to simply post through it. And while he has always been a prolific tweeter, he has raised the level in recent days.

On Friday, Mr. Musk, who has more than 114 million followers on Twitter, proposed a “thermonuclear name & shame” campaign against brands that had stopped advertising on the platform. He said that he had done everything he could to appease advertisers but that activists had worked against him to cause brands to drop out of spending on Twitter.

At the same time, the billionaire was embroiled in a fight over his plan to charge Twitter users $8 a month for a subscription service, Twitter Blue, which would give a check mark to anyone who paid. The check mark had been free for notable people whose identities had been verified by the company, including celebrities, politicians and journalists, as a way to protect against impersonation.

Critics were unhappy about Mr. Musk’s plans to monetize the check mark, saying it could lead to the spread of misinformation and fraud on the platform. In protest, some Twitter accounts that had check marks changed their display names and photographs to match Mr. Musk’s account over the weekend, a move intended to illustrate why it would be confusing if anyone could buy a check mark.

On Sunday, Mr. Musk announced that he would permanently suspend any account “engaging in impersonation without clearly specifying ‘parody.’” The billionaire, who had previously criticized Twitter when it permanently barred users, then barred Ms. Griffin, who had posed as him on the service.

Mr. Musk, who has called himself a “free speech absolutist,” is learning the basic expectation of content moderation for popular social networks, said Daphne Keller, director of the Program on Platform Regulation at Stanford’s Cyber Policy Center.

“His ideas have been incoherent for a while,” she said.

On Sunday night, Mr. Musk responded to a tweet featuring a quote from a white nationalist, before deleting the post and moving on to squabble with Mr. Dorsey over Birdwatch, a feature that lets community members add context to tweets that they believe are misleading. Mr. Musk, who previously lauded the feature, proposed changing the feature’s name to “Community Notes.”

“Community notes is the most boring Facebook name ever,” replied Mr. Dorsey, who owns a $1 billion stake in Mr. Musk’s Twitter.

Then on Monday, Mr. Musk suggested he might pursue civil society groups and activists who were pushing for Twitter advertiser boycotts, when he replied to a right-wing commentator that “we do” have grounds for legal action. Legal experts said the holding of boycotts for social and political goals is protected under the First Amendment.

Mr. Musk also tweeted that people should vote Republican in Tuesday’s midterm elections. “Shared power curbs the worst excesses of both parties, therefore I recommend voting for a Republican Congress, given that the Presidency is Democratic,” he tweeted. He later posted that he was an independent with a “voting history of entirely Democrat until this year.”

He soon moved on. Mr. Musk’s attention became fixed on Mastodon, a Twitter competitor that has gained traction over the past 10 days. Playing off Mastodon’s name, he made several crude jokes about masturbation — then deleted those posts an hour later.

The funniest part is that it's entirely self-inflicted. For all his terrible business decisions, the mockery would have stayed relatively quiet if he did the normal CEO thing and stayed quiet, communicating exclusively through press releases and bland corporate-speak statements. Instead, he's determined to make himself the main character of Twitter and won't stop until he finally convinces people to respect him. It's gonna be a wild ride.

E-Diddy
Mar 30, 2004
I'm both hot and bothered
https://twitter.com/MNateShyamalan/status/1589702291803713536

The future of Twitter comedy is here

kliras
Mar 27, 2021

Main Paineframe posted:

When even the New York Times is openly accusing him of posting through it, he's looking real bad. His image is in the toilet, and every tweet he sends just increases the mockery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/07/technology/elon-musk-twitter-spree.html

The funniest part is that it's entirely self-inflicted. For all his terrible business decisions, the mockery would have stayed relatively quiet if he did the normal CEO thing and stayed quiet, communicating exclusively through press releases and bland corporate-speak statements. Instead, he's determined to make himself the main character of Twitter and won't stop until he finally convinces people to respect him. It's gonna be a wild ride.
lmao they put it in the newspaper that he god mad

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Oh so that's what they meant when they said "comedy is legal now" :rimshot:

EasyEW
Mar 8, 2006

I've got my father's great big six-shooter with me 'n' if anybody in this woods wants to start somethin' just let 'em--but they DASSN'T.
Coming soon to a timeline near you: the Fail Whale comeback tour.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/08/1062886/heres-how-a-twitter-engineer-says-it-will-break-in-the-coming-weeks/

MIT Technology Review posted:

“Sometimes you’ll get notifications that are a little off,” says one engineer currently working at Twitter, who’s concerned about the way the platform is reacting after vast swathes of his colleagues who were previously employed to keep the site running smoothly were fired. (That last sentence is why the engineer has been granted anonymity to talk for this story.) After struggling with downtime during its “Fail Whale” days, Twitter eventually became lauded for its team of site reliability engineers, or SREs. Yet this team has been decimated in the aftermath of Musk’s takeover. “It’s small things, at the moment, but they do really add up as far as the perception of stability,” says the engineer.

The small suggestions of something wrong will amplify and multiply as time goes on, he predicts—in part because the skeleton staff remaining to handle these issues will quickly burn out. “Round-the-clock is detrimental to quality, and we’re already kind of seeing this,” he says. [...]

He presents a dystopian future where issues pile up as the backlog of maintenance tasks and fixes grows longer and longer. “Things will be broken. Things will be broken more often. Things will be broken for longer periods of time. Things will be broken in more severe ways,” he says. “Everything will compound until, eventually, it’s not usable.”

Twitter’s collapse into an unusable wreck is some time off, the engineer says, but the telltale signs of process rot are already there. It starts with the small things: “Bugs in whatever part of whatever client they’re using; whatever service in the back end they’re trying to use. They’ll be small annoyances to start, but as the back-end fixes are being delayed, things will accumulate until people will eventually just give up.”

Not entirely shocked that this isn't getting as much play from the usual sources, since the circus is in town and the sideshow's doing booming business. Ben Krueger, a site reliability expert, says if current conditions are allowed to stay in place, significant, visible issues with the tech will start showing up within six months. And that's the optimistic estimate.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.
Good SRE's are probably quite hard to replace, too. At Google they're paid even more than SWE's.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Cicero posted:

Good SRE's are probably quite hard to replace, too. At Google they're paid even more than SWE's.

I would expect so, yes. And I think you'd probably have to pay a premium above comparable positions elsewhere when you've just announced that the company is run by a vindictive idiot who will not hesitate to lay people off without thinking.

Musk really has made an astonishing amount of fuckups in a very short time. I would've expected him to make any of those mistakes, sure, but not all of them all at once.

TooMuchCornstarch
Dec 11, 2012
Too much is never enough.

Discendo Vox posted:

Discord was, for a period, really infamous as a recruiting format for the alt-right; the siloed servers and the gaming focus made it really effective for this. I don't have much info on how the company tried to address this, though I recall that at least some tightening of policies occurred.

That is still a problem. The alt right just changed rhetoric and switched targets. They are grooming teenage anime and kpop stans now.

TooMuchCornstarch fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Nov 9, 2022

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

After much fanfare about removing the checkmarks from previous verified users and opening up verification to Twitter Blue, Elon reinvented the blue checkmark for politicians and celebs and then removed verification from Twitter Blue, making it opt-in and even more meaningless...
https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1590109344976470016?t=-HLsDR6oeheOsin5OufzGQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1590109530452815872?t=AV3QSNlcLNBSIcxYUVAcMQ&s=19

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Later: Pay $8 to get an Official tag. Verified accounts will now be labeled Double Official

[...]

Later: Pay $8 to get an Official Infinity tag. Verified accounts will now be labeled Official Infinity Plus One

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Young Freud posted:

After much fanfare about removing the checkmarks from previous verified users and opening up verification to Twitter Blue, Elon reinvented the blue checkmark for politicians and celebs and then removed verification from Twitter Blue, making it opt-in and even more meaningless...
https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1590109344976470016?t=-HLsDR6oeheOsin5OufzGQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1590109530452815872?t=AV3QSNlcLNBSIcxYUVAcMQ&s=19

The outcome of everyone going "lol gently caress you" to the idea in real time. Nothing much will change about Twitter except a death spiral of stability.

EasyEW
Mar 8, 2006

I've got my father's great big six-shooter with me 'n' if anybody in this woods wants to start somethin' just let 'em--but they DASSN'T.

Sodomy Hussein posted:

The outcome of everyone going "lol gently caress you" to the idea in real time. Nothing much will change about Twitter except a death spiral of stability.

Speaking of which, the latest "Elon fired too many people" article turned up at ZDNet, with this one touching on specific bits of the technical infrastructure that runs Twitter. So here's a little snatch of that to wet your whistle:

ZDNet posted:

Twitter runs on CentOS 7. This free Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) clone comes to the end of its life at the end of June next year. The leading choices for what to replace it with should be RHEL 9, Rocky Linux, or AlmaLinux. But instead of working on on that transition, what few system administrators Twitter has left are both trying to get the platform ready for Musk's laundry list of new features and keeping it patched and up-to-date.

That's a problem. You see, unlike RHEL, where a big part of the attraction is that you can depend on Red Hat for first-rate support, CentOS, Rocky, and AlmaLinux are all primarily meant for companies with in-house staff who already know Linux servers backward and forward. That's no longer the case at Twitter.

As Terra Field, a Honeycomb Staff Platform Engineer, pointed out, "An infrastructure the size of Twitter will not fail overnight, but it is going to relatively quickly go into a degraded state. The few platform people that remain will have their necks exactly at the waterline. It will not take much to sink." Field's right.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.
Meta laid off 11,000 (13% of company).

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Cicero posted:

Meta laid off 11,000 (13% of company).

Almost 3 twitters of layoffs

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