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aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

Laserjet 4P posted:

The typography on Oneohtrix Point Never’s “Age Of” is just amazing:



It’s like the 70s came back, but then stylish.

I've been seeing a fair bit of good 70s revival lately. The precision of computerized design tends to go really nicely with old-school design principles.

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madmatt112
Jul 11, 2016

Is that a cat in your pants, or are you just a lonely excuse for an adult?

I love the UK Motorway font somethin’ fierce, and I’ve never been anywhere close to the UK. It’s got that special something.

Annabel Pee
Dec 29, 2008

madmatt112 posted:

I love the UK Motorway font somethin’ fierce, and I’ve never been anywhere close to the UK. It’s got that special something.

Hell yeah thats always been one of my favourites. Agreed it looks just like a Helvetica type font but its got that something special.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorway_%28typeface%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_%28typeface%29

MokBa
Jun 8, 2006

If you see something suspicious, bomb it!

If you want a more versatile version of Motorway, I’d recommend DIN. It’s a font that, once you know it, you start seeing absolutely everywhere. It just looks good in pretty much any context.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Annabel Pee posted:

Hell yeah thats always been one of my favourites. Agreed it looks just like a Helvetica type font but its got that something special.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorway_%28typeface%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_%28typeface%29

Hearty agree, I really like it. It's just really nice.

Zamboni Rodeo
Jul 19, 2007

NEVER play "Lady of Spain" AGAIN!




Annabel Pee posted:

Hell yeah thats always been one of my favourites. Agreed it looks just like a Helvetica type font but its got that something special.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorway_%28typeface%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_%28typeface%29

MokBa posted:

If you want a more versatile version of Motorway, I’d recommend DIN. It’s a font that, once you know it, you start seeing absolutely everywhere. It just looks good in pretty much any context.

Hell yeah, those are all great. I'll add Agency FB to the list. Goddamn do I love how clean it is while still having an interesting style.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Zamboni Rodeo posted:

Hell yeah, those are all great. I'll add Agency FB to the list. Goddamn do I love how clean it is while still having an interesting style.

I really like how it looks but I find it quite hard to read.

Green Wing
Oct 28, 2013

It's the only word they know, but it's such a big word for a tiny creature

Annabel Pee posted:

Hell yeah thats always been one of my favourites. Agreed it looks just like a Helvetica type font but its got that something special.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorway_%28typeface%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_%28typeface%29

I love that the word "toll" is its own character in the character set for motorway, that's very fun.

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

One of the best things I convinced the owner to buy when I worked at a weekly newspaper was a copy of Adobe Font Folio 11. And when the paper went out of business, I walked away with the license to it with the owner's permission, along with my copy of CS 5.5 and Office 2010 that I still use today.

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

rndmnmbr posted:

One of the best things I convinced the owner to buy when I worked at a weekly newspaper was a copy of Adobe Font Folio 11. And when the paper went out of business, I walked away with the license to it with the owner's permission, along with my copy of CS 5.5 and Office 2010 that I still use today.

Did they go out of business because they spent too much money on fonts and font accessories?

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Tree Bucket posted:

Did they go out of business because they spent too much money on fonts and font accessories?

Still counts as a win for fonts, and Random Number!

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

It's a pro move, I've picked up a few licenses this way when the business is done, and I get to support designers. I've had a thing for this guy's stuff lately, some of them are fun, and they're almost all well-featured opentype options.

Kestral
Nov 24, 2000

Forum Veteran
Hi font goons! Any recommendations for a font that maximizes legibility of large blocks of text on a screen, for quickly scanning through the text and picking out key words and phrases?

For context, I run a roleplaying game over Discord with a notes document that is now extremely dense. I do my best with navigation headings, highlights, disciplined bold/italic/underline use, etc., but I've recently realized that there are probably fonts made for exactly this sort of use case: glancing quickly over at my notes and plucking out a bit of information without breaking my stride while describing something, that sort of thing.

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Atkinson Hyperlegible, maybe?

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Not a useful answer to your question, but I thought about it for me and I'm starting to suspect that the answer would be Roboto for me regardless of the font design just because I'm so drat trained on it these days, being an Android and Google Services user.

MikeJF has a new favorite as of 10:01 on Apr 9, 2024

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006

Maybe some font genius can help me: I have this idea for a sign to bring to protests, and want to fit the Palestinian flag into the word "all". The thought I'm exploring is fitting the red triangle of the flag into the negative space of the A. This crude drawing should hopefully show the basic idea:


However, I think this approach looks kinda bad and might not parse as an A. I'm wondering if there are any fonts with an A design that could work for this concept, or if it's just a bad idea to begin with.

Deep Glove Bruno
Sep 4, 2015

yung swamp thang

Woebin posted:

Maybe some font genius can help me: I have this idea for a sign to bring to protests, and want to fit the Palestinian flag into the word "all". The thought I'm exploring is fitting the red triangle of the flag into the negative space of the A. This crude drawing should hopefully show the basic idea:


However, I think this approach looks kinda bad and might not parse as an A. I'm wondering if there are any fonts with an A design that could work for this concept, or if it's just a bad idea to begin with.

Why not cut out a triangle (leaning left) in the A piece to make it more obviously an A? With the colors it'll read for sure.

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006

Deep Glove Bruno posted:

Why not cut out a triangle (leaning left) in the A piece to make it more obviously an A? With the colors it'll read for sure.
Not sure I understand what you're describing. Something like this?

Deep Glove Bruno
Sep 4, 2015

yung swamp thang
i mean keep the triangle shape of the flag how you had it first, but leave a little cut out hole/background color in that area to give the A it's negative space.

i wish image posting was easier on phone cause i could draw it, but basically the cut out could go with the shape of the A without moving or altering the flag's design

madmatt112
Jul 11, 2016

Is that a cat in your pants, or are you just a lonely excuse for an adult?

Woebin posted:

Maybe some font genius can help me: I have this idea for a sign to bring to protests, and want to fit the Palestinian flag into the word "all". The thought I'm exploring is fitting the red triangle of the flag into the negative space of the A. This crude drawing should hopefully show the basic idea:


However, I think this approach looks kinda bad and might not parse as an A. I'm wondering if there are any fonts with an A design that could work for this concept, or if it's just a bad idea to begin with.

I think if you add a little smoke coming out of the L’s, it’ll parse just fine

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006

Deep Glove Bruno posted:

i mean keep the triangle shape of the flag how you had it first, but leave a little cut out hole/background color in that area to give the A it's negative space.

i wish image posting was easier on phone cause i could draw it, but basically the cut out could go with the shape of the A without moving or altering the flag's design
Still not quite getting it, but I appreciate the attempt to help nonetheless!

madmatt112 posted:

I think if you add a little smoke coming out of the L’s, it’ll parse just fine
I'm sure there's a very funny joke here that I'm not picking up on. I'm glad my crude sketch amuses you, I guess?


I was kinda looking for a response along the lines of "oh yeah, Dipshit Sans has a capital A with asymmetrical negative space that could work" rather than feedback on my drawing skills.

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

more drawings

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe

Woebin posted:

I'm sure there's a very funny joke here that I'm not picking up on. I'm glad my crude sketch amuses you, I guess?

the joke is 9/11

Right now it looks like a Greek lambda, but that gave me an idea - the black triangle would work way better with “y’all”.

MokBa
Jun 8, 2006

If you see something suspicious, bomb it!

Woebin posted:

I was kinda looking for a response along the lines of "oh yeah, Dipshit Sans has a capital A with asymmetrical negative space that could work" rather than feedback on my drawing skills.

Honestly, what you want is simple enough that I think you could just make the vector yourself. Like I just spent less than 10 minutes on this:



But you probably will get something with a little more personality if you start with a font. I just don't think you're gonna find the right A if you don't make it yourself.

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006

MokBa posted:

Honestly, what you want is simple enough that I think you could just make the vector yourself. Like I just spent less than 10 minutes on this:



But you probably will get something with a little more personality if you start with a font. I just don't think you're gonna find the right A if you don't make it yourself.
Oh yeah, I could totally make what I drew up, I guess I didn't phrase my question properly. I didn't mean "is there a font that looks like this", I meant "is there a font I could use as inspiration to make this look less like poo poo" or perhaps "is the idea of getting the triangle to fit in the A even worth pursuing". Might be a stupid question either way though.

Deep Glove Bruno
Sep 4, 2015

yung swamp thang

Doll House Ghost
Jun 18, 2011



I'd maybe try turning the red triangle in to A, something like this:

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006

Doll House Ghost posted:

I'd maybe try turning the red triangle in to A, something like this:


That's a cool idea, gonna play around with it. Thanks!

MokBa
Jun 8, 2006

If you see something suspicious, bomb it!

SNL did a sequel to the Papyrus skit:

https://youtu.be/Q8PdffUfoF0?si=DTZ7KwUkM0KiNHm4

Mescal
Jul 23, 2005

HelloIAmYourHeart posted:

I have a soft spot for Comic Sans because my mother has really, really terrible handwriting, so when I was little she would print out notes (stuff like "Don't forget to wear your Girl Scouts uniform to school tomorrow") in Comic Sans.

Another font I am interested in is the Doves Type. Here is an interesting podcast about the "the most beautiful typeface in the world." It's the first half of the podcast, only about 20 minutes. I really suggest listening to it, Greg Ross manages to cram a ton of interesting information into a short amount of time and includes a lot of quotes and details from print sources that aren't available online.



summary for those who don't want to listen: Bookbinder Thomas James Cobden-Sanderson and engraver Emery Walker founded a press called Doves Press around 1900 and collaborated on a typeface, which they used to make many beautiful handset, handprinted, and handbound books. Their partnership dissolved acrimoniously in 1908 and came to an agreement that Cobden-Sanderson would retain exclusive use of the type until he died because he wanted to reserve it for projects at his press (which he did for 17 years), at which point Walker would get ownership and could use the type for other uses, like newspapers and other commercial projects.

Cobden-Sanderson did not want this to happen, so he managed to get hold of all the existing type and all the matricies and punches to create more and then spent months taking batches of the type and dumping it into the river Thames over 170 trips, destroying it. This led to a lot of lawsuits between him and Walker as well as a number of failed attempts to recut the type.

In 2010, an art student named Robert Green started creating a digital recreation of the Doves Type by studying Doves books. He released a digital version in 2013, but was unsatisfied by it. He then studied Cobden-Sanderson's diaries to determine exactly where the type was dumped and eventually managed to find 151 pieces of type in the Thames 100 years after they were dumped. Green used these to update his digital font. He kept half the type pieces he found and donated the rest to the Emery Walker Trust, which runs Walker's house as a museum.

Cobden-Sanderson is, presumably, spinning in his grave, because now the Doves Font is available for purchase here. There's a lot of pictures and articles about the type and the recreation there, too.

This lives up to the story, it's good as Garamond.


The fist

Deep Glove Bruno
Sep 4, 2015

yung swamp thang
I got a weird question for all you font perverts out there:

I recognize that most font freaks are into it for graphic design but this is strictly textual so ice your boners. I'm formatting a list for print where the two writers of the list should be distinguishable. I imagine doing different colored ink wouldn't be as readable as just doing two fonts, alternating between them in chunks of the list that one or the other writer contributed.

a) is it unconscionably ugly to use two different fonts? are there fonts that work well together stacked up like that (i.e. all else being equal in terms of size, color and format)?

b) if it isn't ugly, or at least not always, what might you sit alongside Times New Roman? I feel like another serif font would work best, but maybe they wouldn't be distinguishable enough from each other. Is there a serif font that might look good alongside TNR but not look too much like it?

Maybe I'm overthinking it and should just go italic vs. non-italic TNR. I dunno.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Italic and non-italic was my first thought. Super easy to distinguish, but would feel of a kind. My mind also goes to a font family which has a serif and a sans-serif variant, like Adelle Sans and Adelle.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




You could do something with weights, too.

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

If it's acceptable to use a form that might imply a stronger emphasis on text from one of the two writers, then you could give one of them a higher weight, underlines, or render it in small caps. Italics would be a little more neutral than those, but it would still carry the implication that one is the default and the other is aberrant. Using different variants for both might solve that problem; I'd suggest making sure that neither of them is weight in that case, though, since weight carries a much greater emphasis.

If you are using separate typefaces, it would be important to make them very easy to distinguish by choosing ones that have very different features.

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

Largely concur with the others; I think using italics, a heavier or lighter weight, hell even small caps, would be my first go-to.

Aside from that, I would disagree with your gut instinct to use a second serif if your primary is Times. Distinguishing the typefaces will be important, and generally speaking unless this work is a presentation for some kind of design conference in every other setting 99% of your audience will not notice or care when the font changes unless it's very apparent. Generally speaking it's good practice to pair serifs & sans serifs anyway, and I think that's true here too. It's more important to match the personality than the form language.

Laserjet 4P
Mar 28, 2005

What does it mean?
Fun Shoe
Times New Roman is pretty ugly.

Must it be TNR? Other more modern typefaces with both serif and sans variants are https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/museo and https://fonts.adobe.com/fonts/museo-sans or https://www.myfonts.com/collections/ff-meta-font-fontfont and https://www.myfonts.com/collections/meta-serif-font-fontfont .

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



comic sans and comic serif

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006

I'll chime in with a contrary opinion in that I think having entire sentences in italics is bad for readability (same with all caps, even if they're small). I'm coming at this as an accessibility specialist without a strong sense of aesthetics, though.

As you yourself said, using different colors probably wouldn't be the best choice, especially if there's any chance of readers with visual impairments or color blindness.

To me the idea of pairing a serif and sans-serif font sounds like a good approach, but I don't know my fonts well enough to suggest a particular pairing.

Deep Glove Bruno
Sep 4, 2015

yung swamp thang
Thanks all for the suggestions. I'll look into serif and sans suggestions, Museo etc. for sure. I am finding italics does suggest one writer is the exception.

To give you guys more information, because it's funny how serious about readability and how helpful you've all been when it's such a ridiculous, stupid project:

- It's for custom publishing into book form I will distribute to a handful of family members
- I've used Times New Roman thus far because it's closest my untrained eye could find to the typeface of the English edition of Quotations From Chairman Mao
- This is because I intend it to closely resemble the little red book in every way (I'm trying to track down Lin Piao to do some calligraphy for the frontispiece but he's been a hard man to find since his mysterious disappearance when he conspired to overthrow Mao)
- the content is a giant, giant list of thousands of dumbass gibberish phrases, inside jokes, fake band names etc my cousin and I have been sending each other tranches of for 25 years, since we were early teens. He wants our contributions to be distinguishable in some way, and I want it to be as smooth-reading as possible. They are mostly not full sentences, but they aren't all really short phrases. Some will be long enough to wrap and indent into a second line and such.

If TNR sucks, I'm open to suggestions of fonts better than it but that can still fit the feel/era of the little red book as you see in the scan. I'd like to balance accuracy to the red book (which is 90% down to the size and the execution of the cover by the bookbinder, really) and readability with the two types of writing alternating.

Now don't you feel like saps for helping with such a stupid idea? Sorry.

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MokBa
Jun 8, 2006

If you see something suspicious, bomb it!

If you just want a very classic serif, use Garamond instead. One of my general rules-of-thumb is to never ever use any of the 90s default Windows fonts. They were all designed for legibility on a low-res screen which is no longer an issue, and they carry a lot of baggage that makes them look cheap.

Personally, I think if you want to separate the two voices, your best bet, as suggested above, is to pick a serif and sans serif that look good together. Unfortunately, that will make it look less like the Little Red Book, but it’s essentially the only way to do it where neither looks more important than the other.

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