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thotsky posted:Is the argument "you can't talk about conversion therapy' or "you can't talk about trans people"? As far as I know they weren't trying to do the latter, and as for the former, why not? I don't think it's a great episode, but the performances are pretty good and stuff about alien gender and sexuality stuff is always pretty interesting. The tragic ending is upsetting, but it's not the first or last time Star Trek does some dark stuff, and the episode is cearly trying to put forwards a positive message. I'm an ancient cishet male, so I may be missing some of the points here, but I believe the issue is that the episode posits a form of conversion therapy that works -- a process that clearly doesn't work in the real world, a process that queer folk have often been threatened with or forced to undergo, a process that simplifies queerness to "homo vs. hetero." Mention of the process itself is hurtful to a segment of folx here and that's the issue. Does that mean we can't talk about that episode? If it's causing a few people this much distress, maybe we can lay off of it -- I plan to.
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As a gay dude I like The Outcast except for how they were too chicken to have Riker make out with a dude. They should have had it be another man. And there should have been nudity and full penetration.
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Worf was a dick in that episode and I still can't decide if I like that he had Riker's back when he beamed down or if it's like, too little too late my man
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Penne is actually pretty tame and primitive in a sci-fi galaxy where there could be energy beings that intertwine directly with every atom and quark in your body resonating some at weird string frequency outside the universe or time.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Funny enough Star Trek did do an episode with a Holocaust denial allegory where the people being genocided were heavily Roma- and Jewish-coded. It ended with the Federation crew shrugging their shoulders and saying "both sides say they're right, but the accuser is interrupting our party with these nice friendly people and being rude. Who can say what the truth is?" and just flying off. ...no they don't. They kick the aliens off their ship and stop dealing with them, and B'elanna confronts them about their crimes, and while she can't convince their leaders to listen, she does pass on what she's learned to one of them and hopes they'll eventually confront their past. (And the people being genocided felt more indigenous-coded to me - the alien government depicted them as 'primitives' who wouldn't assimilated into their 'modern' society, and the whole thing felt like more of a Trail of Tears forced displacement.)
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Apr 27, 2024 05:43
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Tighclops posted:Worf was a dick in that episode and I still can't decide if I like that he had Riker's back when he beamed down or if it's like, too little too late my man Worf's secondary role after Losing To This Week's Big Bad was Being A Douche About This Week's Alien Strangeness, he jobbed so hard back then.
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Tighclops posted:Worf was a dick in that episode and I still can't decide if I like that he had Riker's back when he beamed down or if it's like, too little too late my man He really shows off that newfound tolerance for non-binary people when he jumps at the opportunity to beat up a dozen of them.
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