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Lampsacus posted:Hey! If I'm a fan of the books+dramatisations of 3bd, What is some good hard sci fi to read? Stephen Baxter? The Manifold trilogy in particular, in which each book pokes a different solution to Fermi. Or Xeelee sequence, which has an even grander arc. Alistair Reynolds has some good stuff, House Of Suns I thought was super good and is standalone. Pushing ice. May see a lot of arguments about what 'hard' sci fi really covers. Ask in this thread over in Book Barn too. If you've read Blindsight already, Exordia is probably gonna come up. It's great, but maybe not hard. E: Spin, Robert Charles Winston. Marooned in Real Time, Vernor Vinge (RIP :C) NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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PriorMarcus posted:I can't remember if it happens in the book but the sky getting brighter and then flickering didn't help, as it meant the sky already looked fake before the event, so the entire thing lost any impact.
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NmareBfly posted:Stephen Baxter? The Manifold trilogy in particular, in which each book pokes a different solution to Fermi. Or Xeelee sequence, which has an even grander arc. Alistair Reynolds has some good stuff, House Of Suns I thought was super good and is standalone. Pushing ice. Also, interesting philosophical, science plus sci-fi book - Anathem by Neal Stephenson. Also not sure if this is hard scifi but it's close enough.
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Finished ep 8 last night. Even given all my frustrations with the show, I think, as a whole, it was a worthwhile watch. Additionally, I think they left things in an interesting enough place that I will definitely give second season a shot if they make one. I appreciate the fact that they took some big swings in this show. Not all of them connected, but you certainly can't fault them for being timid. In the end, I think my primary frustration is that it seems like with like 15% more work or talent, it could have been amazing instead of just worthwhile. Edit: Side note.... I just watched the first episode of Mrs. Davis last night. It was crazy and I loved the hell out of it. I don't know what it is about Damon Lindelof, but I am just on the same wavelength as he is. confused fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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confused posted:Finished ep 8 last night. Even given all my frustrations with the show, I think, as a whole, it was a worthwhile watch. Additionally, I think they left things in an interesting enough place that I will definitely give second season a shot if they make one. I appreciate the fact that they took some big swings in this show. Not all of them connected, but you certainly can't fault them for being timid. In the end, I think my primary frustration is that it seems like with like 15% more work or talent, it could have been amazing instead of just worthwhile. Imagine if every one of the Oxford Five had the same charisma as John Bradley! Imagine how much better the show would instantly be with no other changes.
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PriorMarcus posted:Imagine if every one of the Oxford Five had the same charisma as John Bradley! Imagine how much better the show would instantly be with no other changes. I'm actually fine with the other members of the Oxford Five. I thought the actors did a fine job with the material and I thought the characterizations were fine. He was the highlight, for sure.
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bawfuls posted:In the book it’s the Cosmic Microwave Background that flickers, not the entire night sky for everyone on earth Yeah, they almost certainly did this to avoid explaining that for 15 minutes or having a lot of viewers asking "...so?" It was kind of silly though. There is probably some other phenomenon they could have used: maybe a specific star blinking on several instruments. NmareBfly posted:E: Spin, Robert Charles Winston. Marooned in Real Time, Vernor Vinge (RIP :C) Oh, man. I didn't realize he died. I guess we'll never find out what happens with that fleet  These are good recommendations. I'll add Peter F. Hamilton who writes space opera with some thematic parallels to 3 Body Problem: lots of viewpoint characters trying to cope with reality being turned on its head and humanity adapting. Avasculous fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Open Source Idiom posted:Pretty sure the light pollution around Oxford/ wherever they were would have been too much to see many stars. It would be hilarious if she was told to look at the sky at midnight and she saw nothing because the light pollution blocked out all the stars and she missed the blinking.
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Cojawfee posted:It would be hilarious if she was told to look at the sky at midnight and she saw nothing because the light pollution blocked out all the stars and she missed the blinking. The aliens forgot to check the weather and it's just dense fog and clouds around there.
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I just finished binge reading the first book and so far I'm fine with this adaptation. I think a lot of the criticism about the adaptation should lie with the nature of streaming and in particular Netflix, which can be an incredibly mercurial producer to work with. They need to rush some plot poo poo along to get people on the hook to increase Netflix survivors or else they get tossed in the bin.
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Hilario Baldness posted:I just finished binge reading the first book and so far I'm fine with this adaptation. This is a good point re: Netflix because I feel like the show would’ve been better if it was weekly and we had time to stew/discuss/theorize.
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Yeah the binge model does not help this show imo. Ties in with them revealing the mystery pretty early - I think you could have maintained good interest week to week if they stretched it a bit more and had people speculating. Though maybe that would just lead to people getting spoiled because the books... Exist.
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Binge model seems to be bad for most shows Thinking about how JJBA stone ocean blew up for a week and then disappeared
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I binged it all in two days and felt generally okay about doing it. Some mystery is fine but the show was engrossing enough to watch it all at once. I'm not sure if it was the author or showrunner's intent but I hated every single main character of the friend group. Not their acting, that was all great, just the characters themselves. Saul being a selfish wastoid. Auggie being a dumb pawn that says okay to killing a cult and then being surprised and sad at the outcome. Will wasting all of his cash on a star for a girl that he had a crush on instead of remotely spending that money for good. Jin pretending to have loved Will after blowing him off forever for a crappy boyfriend. Jack was kind of okay but that's because he was killed off before he could do something selfish or stupid. It made them hard to cheer for or care about. I feel like everyone else in the show are far more intriguing.
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Doltos posted:I'm not sure if it was the author or showrunner's intent but I hated every single main character of the friend group. Not their acting, that was all great, just the characters themselves. Jin pretending to have loved Will after blowing him off forever for a crappy boyfriend. I do not think she knew
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Hilario Baldness posted:I just finished binge reading the first book and so far I'm fine with this adaptation. I don't entirely agree, because the adaptation shares a lot of problems with the showrunners' previous work for HBO
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Doltos posted:. Will wasting all of his cash on a star for a girl that he had a crush on instead of remotely spending that money for good. . Broadly agree, except this was a war bond. The star sales were a way of getting the wealthy to fund defense against the invasion and giving them something almost certainly meaningless in return, like when zoos let you "adopt" an otter or a gorilla for $50. So a charitable interpretation is that he was showing Jin support and trying to do something unselfish with the money before he died.
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Doltos posted:I binged it all in two days and felt generally okay about doing it. Some mystery is fine but the show was engrossing enough to watch it all at once. The stars for sale is just a gimmick to raise money for the mission so the money goes to her project Edit and to be clear I think Will’s secret love bullshit is the worst of the bunch, it’s very high school
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Will’s such a little bitch I’m surprised his pancreas didn’t revolt against him sooner
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I know at least two people that were still pining after their college crush in the friendship circle at age 30 (I had the decency to stop at age 24 at least). Will is the most realistic character on the show lol
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Flesh Forge posted:In the show version, I took this mostly that Evans feels guilty for not spending any effort or time raising Vera, his own child, and so he tries to channel that and his parenting instincts into raising the human children on the Judgement Day as well as trying to educate the San Ti in understanding humanity, because he recognizes they have some blind spots to our culture. I liked this better than the book version tbh - I disliked practically everything to do with characters in the book because they all seemed so un-relatable except for Da Shi. I think you're right, and this really begs the question for me if a lot of scenes with Ye Wenjie and Robert Evans were cut because their whole relationship was a big departure from the book despite having almost no real exposition in the Netflix show. Again, in the original story, the circumstances behind how and why Ye Wenjie was raising Vera alone were a pretty significant aspect of her arc, so it's really odd to see that reduced here to a one-off line that's just "yes Robert Evans was my secret baby daddy no nobody cared and also you're a lovely father Benedict Wong." Tarnop posted:In the book (minor book 1 spoilers) the aliens are confident that knowledge of their existence will magnify existing divisions between human cultures. The book seeds this idea during the Red Coast project, referencing sociological studies that were done after various SETI type programs began that reached a similar conclusion. And don't forget that they know that the pacifist who received the first message has already contacted earth so they know that some number of humans know they exist. Their initial plan, once they receive a response from Ye Wenjie, is to use human separatists to foment anti-science sentiment. Meanwhile, they work on the sophons but that takes them a decade to complete and it's bleeding edge science for them so they don't know if it will work. What they do know is that, should the sophon plan fail, their human separatist plan needs to get underway as early as possible because they've seen both the overall rate and unpredictable nature of human scientific progress I think the original story also better explains why this is a reasonable thing for them to believe given that we actually see ideological arguments within the ETO, who are already a microcosm of the world scientific community, and if even they bicker with each other over minutae like this just imagine how bad it would get if every scientist on the planet were involved with an even broader cross-section of potential responses. A good poster posted:!LATER BOOK SPOILERS! It's kind of funny that the Netflix show "solves" this problem by making Saul a commitment phobic man whore. I don't think it really occurred to them that this isn't really less sexist, it's just a completely different kind of sexist. Some Guy TT fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Some Guy TT posted:I think the original story also better explains why this is a reasonable thing for them to believe given that we actually see ideological arguments within the ETO, who are already a microcosm of the world scientific community, and if even they bicker with each other over minutae like this just imagine how bad it would get if every scientist on the planet were involved with an even broader cross-section of potential responses. Also the alien that brings it up mentions that learning about Earth caused similar effects in their society (that were presumably quickly crushed because they're wildly authoritarian)
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AngryBooch posted:I know at least two people that were still pining after their college crush in the friendship circle at age 30 (I had the decency to stop at age 24 at least). Will is the most realistic character on the show lol This is true. Nevertheless
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I heard a rumor somewhere (can't remember where so I have no idea where to start looking again) that the showrunners would like to do a weekly format for any future seasons if it gets renewed.
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I thought they had, but maybe they've only done the part 1 / part 2 release model for seasons like with Stranger Things.
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3 Body Problem Season Three Third Half Part 4
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Steve Yun posted:3 Body Problem Season Three Third Half Part 4 Ah yes the Attack on Titan model. Spoiler discussion for book readers: Maybe I need to rewatch it but what the hell do you all think Ye Wenjie was trying to communicate to Saul at the graveyard? Seemed like a completely different message than was in the books, don't know how the hell you get "Dark Forest" out of "A joke only understood by two people".
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DrHammond posted:Ah yes the Attack on Titan model. 1. She hints that they have to communicate in metaphors so that others won’t know what they’re talking about 2. I’m guessing she hints about making a noise in the heavens that a higher power doesn’t want you to make 3. Aside from the conversation she sets aside a book on game theory and Fermi’s paradox. Maybe she wants Saul to find the books if her joke hint goes over his head. This seems much more relevant to how she hinted in the book The joke seems a lot less clear than the book hint
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confused posted:I'm actually fine with the other members of the Oxford Five. I thought the actors did a fine job with the material and I thought the characterizations were fine. He was the highlight, for sure. I laughed when Auggie made them pinky promise not to play the cursed videogame like it's some kind of Are You Afriad of the Dark episode. Steve Yun posted:Has Netflix ever done a weekly? Delicious in Dungeon is like that, but maybe that's one they've licensed, rather than financed/produced?
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GigaPeon posted:Delicious in Dungeon is like that, but maybe that's one they've licensed, rather than financed/produced? Netflix has lots of weekly dramas and they're all like this, licensed rather than produced, usually from foreign markets that air them weekly on local television. It's the main tell that they don't actually own a series, even if they use the phrase "Netflix exclusive" for marketing purposes regardless of whether they financed it directly.
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For shows that they make, Netflix at most will do split seasons several months apart. That's usually for their bigger shows that they want to double dip on the hype cycle. Everything else gets dumped all at once to bring in new subscribers and then is quietly cancelled.
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Netflix does that, massively hypes a show and then canceles it after 1 or 2 seasons and leaves all the viewers hanging. The OA is a prime example.
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I thought 2 or 3 seasons was the Great Filter The solution is to make your show wrap up in 2-3 seasons
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Steve Yun posted:I thought 2 or 3 seasons was the Great Filter I feel like they wrote this adaptation knowing almost nothing on Netflix gets more than three seasons especially the really expensive stuff. The Chinese adaptation took 30 hours to do just the first book where here we wrapped up book 1 by episode 5 and spent the last 3 doing set up for both The Dark Forest and Deaths End..
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The fact that they put a significant chunk of book 2 and some of book 3 into the first season makes me think they're trying to wrap it up within 3 seasons at most. If they really wanted to they could do the remainder of book 2 in just a few episodes and wrap the whole thing in two seasons. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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bawfuls posted:The fact that they put a significant chunk of book 2 and some of book 3 into the first season makes me think they're trying to wrap it up within 3 seasons at most Even with all the future set up it is hard for me to imagine how they get from where they are now to the Doomsday Battle in 8 episodes, assuming that is the climax of a second season. The first book was easier to condense because the story is smaller but it gets exponentially more complex from here.
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Tainen posted:Even with all the future set up it is hard for me to imagine how they get from where they are now to the Doomsday Battle in 8 episodes, assuming that is the climax of a second season. The first book was easier to condense because the story is smaller but it gets exponentially more complex from here. There's not much plot between that point and where this season ended. Pretty much the only remaining Crisis Era stuff they didn't show explicitly in season 1 was main characters going into hibernation bawfuls fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Saul doesn't go into hibernation until (book 2) after he works out what Ye Wenjie was talking about and broadcasts the location of the other star. That's what causes the droplet launch
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