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Cool Dad posted:You're not the same guy who didn't think hieroglyphic translations were real are you? come on dude why ya gotta chase him away
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School of How posted:
Do you think that is the only time the phrase is ever used? It might be ambiguous if that was the only time the term was ever attested, but we have thousands of Assyrian and Babylonian astronomical texts. Eclipses are discussed quite often in them, particularly in astronomical omen texts (where eclipses are bad news), so the meaning of the phrase is quite clear, based on many examples of its use.
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idk what else would happen to the sun other than a total eclipse that you would really ever notice or describe as "twisted". based on personal experience from the recent eclipse the light level doesn't even noticeably change until you hit like 85% occlusion! nobody's writing down lovely partials as major events, it would be safe to say the majority of partials in history were not even noticed even without factors like "it literally happened after sunset"
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I dunno, with all the sun worship going on I imagine you had a lot of people who were very interested in what the sun was up to pretty much all the time.
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PittTheElder posted:Have you seen a solar eclipse either at or near totality? annular eclipse is also not the same as a total eclipse. moon's too far away so it's angularly smaller than the sun.
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quote:he words "shamash", meaning sun, and "akallu", which is translated as bent, twisted, distorted or obscured, has been interpreted as a solar eclipse. I wonder why people interpreted this as meaning an eclipse. it's a mystery.
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Mr. Fix It posted:annular eclipse is also not the same as a total eclipse. moon's too far away so it's angularly smaller than the sun. Oh poo poo yeah I didn't even notice it was annular, I mean not that it makes that much difference so far away from the maximum eclipse path, but still gonna look like even less
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Hieroglyphs are a psy-op by Big Wingdings
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I dunno, with all the sun worship going on I imagine you had a lot of people who were very interested in what the sun was up to pretty much all the time. I think whatever anyone's religion is, if you live on planet earth instead of a goon cave, you're very interested in what the sun is doing
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Jazerus posted:idk what else would happen to the sun other than a total eclipse that you would really ever notice or describe as "twisted". Annular eclipse
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Jazerus posted:idk what else would happen to the sun other than a total eclipse that you would really ever notice or describe as "twisted". Big dragon flying in front of it
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Kaal posted:Apparently in geology they’re a fan of BP or Before Present. It’s not really standardized (and 74 After Present doesn’t make any sense) but they like setting the origin point at 1950 because that’s when atomic testing started changing the ambient radiation levels that get used for dating prehistoric rock samples and objects. There’s certainly worse time scales. I've noticed this a lot in newer archaeological papers too, I suppose since that's related to geology but I feel like it's been catching on in recent years as some scholars want to move away from BC/AD but don't like BCE/CE either.
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Koramei posted:I've noticed this a lot in newer archaeological papers too, I suppose since that's related to geology but I feel like it's been catching on in recent years as some scholars want to move away from BC/AD but don't like BCE/CE either. It's less because its related to geology and more because of the cultural baggage associated BC/AD.
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Koramei posted:I've noticed this a lot in newer archaeological papers too, I suppose since that's related to geology but I feel like it's been catching on in recent years as some scholars want to move away from BC/AD but don't like BCE/CE either. I suspect part of the appeal is the sciencey element of relating your calendar and your archeological work to radiometrics. If you’re using carbon dating and providing the error margin then BP can be useful to clarify that’s what you’re doing. Though in truth, BP has only a limited relationship with carbon dating since the atomic testing had no impact on carbon decay that I’m aware of. On the other hand, if you’re relying on other evidence to establish an object’s age, or if you want to talk about a specific date, then other calendars are probably more appropriate. Kaal fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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I saw this from Tacitus linked in a discussion about deflationquote:Hence followed a scarcity of money, a great shock being given to all credit, the current coin too, in consequence of the conviction of so many persons and the sale of their property, being locked up in the imperial treasury or the public exchequer. To meet this, the Senate had directed that every creditor should have two-thirds of his capital secured on estates in Italy. Creditors however were suing for payment in full, and it was not respectable for persons when sued to break faith. So, at first, there were clamorous meetings and importunate entreaties; then noisy applications to the prætor's court. And the very device intended as a remedy, the sale and purchase of estates, proved the contrary, as the usurers had hoarded up all their money for buying land. The facilities for selling were followed by a fall of prices, and the deeper a man was in debt, the more reluctantly did he part with his property, and many were utterly ruined. The destruction of private wealth precipitated the fall of rank and reputation, till at last the emperor interposed his aid by distributing throughout the banks a hundred million sesterces, and allowing freedom to borrow without interest for three years, provided the borrower gave security to the State in land to double the amount. Credit was thus restored, and gradually private lenders were found. The purchase too of estates was not carried out according to the letter of the Senate's decree, rigour at the outset, as usual with such matters, becoming negligence in the end. How did credit and banking work in first century Rome? Unfortunately there is a famous pop star named Roman Banks so my googling is confounded.
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Kaal posted:I suspect part of the appeal is the sciencey element of relating your calendar and your archeological work to radiometrics. If you’re using carbon dating and providing the error margin then BP can be useful to clarify that’s what you’re doing. Though in truth, BP has only a limited relationship with carbon dating since the atomic testing had no impact on carbon decay that I’m aware of. On the other hand, if you’re relying on other evidence to establish an object’s age, or if you want to talk about a specific date, then other calendars are probably more appropriate. No I'm pretty sure it's so you can talk about the distant past without having to make reference to one particular Eurocentric religion. Changing the name to BCE/CE doesn't change the meaning of the date itself. Also less mental arithmetic.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:No I'm pretty sure it's so you can talk about the distant past without having to make reference to one particular Eurocentric religion. Changing the name to BCE/CE doesn't change the meaning of the date itself.
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The metric calendar should have caught on
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The only change we need is to make the names of the centuries match with the first two numbers of the years of those centuries. the "first century" can be the Zeroeth Century.
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Kaal posted:I suspect part of the appeal is the sciencey element of relating your calendar and your archeological work to radiometrics. If you’re using carbon dating and providing the error margin then BP can be useful to clarify that’s what you’re doing. Though in truth, BP has only a limited relationship with carbon dating since the atomic testing had no impact on carbon decay that I’m aware of. On the other hand, if you’re relying on other evidence to establish an object’s age, or if you want to talk about a specific date, then other calendars are probably more appropriate. Carbon dating was hugely impacted, there's a LOT more c14 now and that's why low background steel is valuable
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Ras Het posted:I think whatever anyone's religion is, if you live on planet earth instead of a goon cave, you're very interested in what the sun is doing Yeah didn't a bunch of Chinese astrologers get executed for failing to predict an eclipse back in Zhou dynasty?
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Tunicate posted:Carbon dating was hugely impacted, there's a LOT more c14 now and that's why low background steel is valuable The bombs added carbon-14 to the air, and industrialism has diluted the atmosphere with carbon dioxide, but the actual decay rate remains unchanged. As a result those levels are returning to a baseline, and within a few decades the relationship between carbon dating and the bomb testing will essentially end.
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Tunicate posted:Carbon dating was hugely impacted, there's a LOT more c14 now and that's why low background steel is valuable
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Nessus posted:Does it affect the really old samples or is it more like you can't reliably carbon date things from after when the nuke tests started C-14 levels in the atmosphere have actually fluctuated naturally through time and dendrochronology is used to calibrate the C-14 activity vs. age curve.
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Kaal posted:The bombs added carbon-14 to the air, and industrialism has diluted the atmosphere with carbon dioxide, but the actual decay rate remains unchanged. As a result those levels are returning to a baseline, and within a few decades the relationship between carbon dating and the bomb testing will essentially end. Thr concentration was abruptly doubled due to bombs, which means that you can actually date ringless trees based on when the c14 shows up in their tissues Nessus posted:Does it affect the really old samples or is it more like you can't reliably carbon date things from after when the nuke tests started It only gets added to living tissues, then starts decaying. Previously atmospheric levels were constant and thus living tissue held an equilibrium, with levels dropping once atmospheric carbon was no longer mxied in. anything living after nuke tests has elevated levels (thus Before Present, since everything that died after that point is no longer reliable. Just blindly putting carbon levels into the previously valid formula would give a negative age)
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There are also lots of other dating systems that are unaffected so it's not that big a deal. Low-background steel is for use in instruments that involve extremely precise and fiddly radiation detection. It's also not that important anymore since the elevated radiation from nuclear testing has mostly decayed.
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sullat posted:Yeah didn't a bunch of Chinese astrologers get executed for failing to predict an eclipse back in Zhou dynasty? The Fire Nation never lived that one down.
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Koramei posted:I've noticed this a lot in newer archaeological papers too, I suppose since that's related to geology but I feel like it's been catching on in recent years as some scholars want to move away from BC/AD but don't like BCE/CE either. It’ll also make it easier for the octopi archaeologists to figure out our dates because they can reference against the layer of radioactive dust in the strata.
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cheetah7071 posted:The metric calendar should have caught on I use the Kelvin calender
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Kaal posted:I suspect part of the appeal is the sciencey element of relating your calendar and your archeological work to radiometrics. If you’re using carbon dating and providing the error margin then BP can be useful to clarify that’s what you’re doing. Though in truth, BP has only a limited relationship with carbon dating since the atomic testing had no impact on carbon decay that I’m aware of. On the other hand, if you’re relying on other evidence to establish an object’s age, or if you want to talk about a specific date, then other calendars are probably more appropriate. Carbon 14 is produced by cosmic rays hitting nitrogen in the upper atmosphere. I can't imagine that nuclear testing made a meaningful impact on a stock and flow of that size. Burning fossil fuels on the other hand has certainly altered carbon isotope ratios in the atmosphere. But we don't do 45 billion tons of nuclear explosions every year.
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Arglebargle III posted:Carbon 14 is produced by cosmic rays hitting nitrogen in the upper atmosphere. I can't imagine that nuclear testing made a meaningful impact on a stock and flow of that size. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_pulse  Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Any of you nerds at the SAAs in NOLA?
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540 megatons over 2,000 bombs is a whole lot of nuclear explosions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests
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Hey, one of those might have been that Japanese doomsday cult.
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cheetah7071 posted:The metric calendar should have caught on What do you mean? Today is 4 Floréal year CCXXXII. 
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Fuschia tude posted:What do you mean? Today is 4 Floréal year CCXXXII. Because the metric calendar's worth it.
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