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I personally think Marvel doesn't even know what made Thor unworthy yet. Someone just thought it would be "cool" and they'll come up with the reason later like they did with Brand New Day.
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Sep 18, 2014 09:03
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Whatever it is, it'll make more sense than Steve being old.
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Sep 18, 2014 09:17
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Web Jew.0 posted:I don't know if it's still canon or whatever but in the first Galactus story ever Uatu mentioned that Galactus can't lie. That's because of a wish Silver Surfer made when Galactus missed his birthday.
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Sep 18, 2014 09:27
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galagazombie posted:I personally think Marvel doesn't even know what made Thor unworthy yet. Someone just thought it would be "cool" and they'll come up with the reason later like they did with Brand New Day. I'm willing to give Aaron the benefit of the doubt on this one. In the letters page of Thor 25 he talks a bit about what is coming up in future Thor issues. Not just the Malekith and the war of Realms stuff, but also Galactus: Butcher of Worlds. He also specifically says that not only will the book focus on the new Thor (who is she etc...) but that it would also focus on Thor Odinson and what Nick Fury said to him and about being Unworthy and what that means. It might not instantly be revealed in like issue 1, but if one of the themes of the book is about worthiness and what can make you lose that title, then Aaron must have it planned what has been said. As for Original Sin Thor/Loki, I really liked how it ended. Not just Thor looking at Mjolnor before going off to track down the Watcher's murderer (oh foreshadowing.) but how the badguy well and truly lost. At the heart of the story, Old Loki set all this in motion because he's a dick. He remembered how in his time Thor and Angela find out about their parentage during a crossover and bond etc.. So Old Loki decides to change this by giving Thor hints, warning people and he basically makes Thor go into Heavenheim as an aggressor and so he and Angela meet on the field of battle. Only while fighting happens they more or less leave on better terms. Loki's meddling ends up preventing on a future War he had been counting on. (A nice lesson on how Time Travel and interfering with the past can take away nice stuff too and isn't just for stopping robot apocalypses.) And the coolest part? Odin telling his children he loves them, even (young) Loki. And how furious this made Old Loki because Odin never said he loved him.
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Sep 18, 2014 12:00
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The Question IRL posted:Odin telling his children he loves them, even (young) Loki. And how furious this made Old Loki because Odin never said he loved him. I loved that part so much. He looked so indignant.
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Sep 18, 2014 21:13
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galagazombie posted:I personally think Marvel doesn't even know what made Thor unworthy yet. Someone just thought it would be "cool" and they'll come up with the reason later like they did with Brand New Day. The Murderweapon Loki is the biggest most obvious unfired chekhov's gun in the Thor line that could make Thor doubt himself enough to stop himself from lifting the hammer. Like every other time Thor has lost the hammer it's not about actually being unworthy it's about him considering himself unworthy.
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Sep 19, 2014 05:13
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SirDan3k posted:The Murderweapon Loki is the biggest most obvious unfired chekhov's gun in the Thor line that could make Thor doubt himself enough to stop himself from lifting the hammer. Like every other time Thor has lost the hammer it's not about actually being unworthy it's about him considering himself unworthy. Actually, I had a thought about this last week when I was re-reading Infinity. What if Nick Fury said to Thor "When you went to negotiate with the Builders and you struck him down? Your action ultimately killed more people than it saved."
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Sep 19, 2014 09:09
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The Question IRL posted:Actually, I had a thought about this last week when I was re-reading Infinity. He's a viking, I don't think he cares as long as the outcome was righteous.
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Sep 19, 2014 09:29
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:As much as I would love to see this, there will never be a good Fantastic Four movie regardless of who owns the rights. I could see Susan, Reed, Ben and Johnny storytelling a montage portions from different adventures leading up to the "best parts" which would be Val and Franklin themselves. Then comes the title and credits and they're off to an adventure. And then you can have the Future Foundation TV show, which could introduce elements from the Marvel Universe brought in with the FF IP for any of the Marvel movies to use without having to devote time into backstory or something. But really I want to see Bentley 23, Dragonman and all the others
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Sep 19, 2014 10:16
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Soonmot posted:He's a viking, I don't think he cares as long as the outcome was righteous. I'm not sure about that. Plenty of ancient cultures (dating back to the Greeks and even further) have always gone with the moral of "you don't strike down someone after you've raised a banner of peace." Don't shoot the messanger and all that. Now, I can understand why Thor killed the Builder after meeting them unarmed. (As Cap ordered him to, it was a vital move to spark a universal uprising, it brought about the end to a galactic war, etc...) But if Thor learned that act didn't even save the number of lives he thought it would then really it becomes a cowardly act of striking down a foe from behind and not through honourable combat.
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Sep 19, 2014 11:00
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I was thinking about this more and keeping with the idea that it's something that couldn't be true until now; maybe the secret was that Nick Fury told Thor he wasn't going to Valhalla. While "Hel" is not the equivalent of "Hell", it could be that the Hammer would only be 'worthy' of a soul that was bound for Valhalla. Introducing this knowledge suddenly makes Thor go "Ok, I could see giving up Valhalla for a good cause." while the Hammer is like "There's no cause more worthy than joining the honored dead, see ya!"
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Sep 19, 2014 13:48
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Maybe the hammer is bigoted and doesn't approve of Thor's relationship with Hyperion.
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Sep 19, 2014 13:54
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"You caused Jane's cancer".
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Sep 19, 2014 14:24
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The Question IRL posted:Odin telling his children he loves them, even (young) Loki. And how furious this made Old Loki because Odin never said he loved him. I'm wondering if that's going to be important down the line. The whole threat in Loki's book is that Old Loki is what he's destined to one day become and there's nothing he can do about it. Like it's some kind of non-linear time travel. If that's the case, then based on Old Loki's reaction, Odin's words could very well make a huge difference in what Young Loki becomes.
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Sep 19, 2014 15:55
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Gavok posted:I'm wondering if that's going to be important down the line. The whole threat in Loki's book is that Old Loki is what he's destined to one day become and there's nothing he can do about it. Like it's some kind of non-linear time travel. If that's the case, then based on Old Loki's reaction, Odin's words could very well make a huge difference in what Young Loki becomes. What I really loved about that was Loki's fear ("If I am loved, it is because I am not known") Odin responding that he knows him and loves him.
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Sep 19, 2014 18:02
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Aphrodite posted:"You caused Jane's cancer". This is my bet, honestly.
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Sep 20, 2014 03:52
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:This is my bet, honestly. Since he can and already offered to cure it with magic I don't know why that would bother him that much. [edit] It'd be more likely him fixing it against her will would cause his Mjolnir malfunction. SirDan3k fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Sep 20, 2014 |
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