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ante
Apr 9, 2005

SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS
No, 6-8 is a lot. That "piss clear" stuff is bullshit, your body doesn't use that extra water.


I go maybe three times.

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photomikey
Dec 30, 2012

Lord Windy posted:

They are all good points. I'm personally rather indifferent to what is outside of my house so long as they aren't making a mess. It just seems like a dick move to me when people say they would call the cops on essentially a homeless person.
It is a dick move. Until you're not the guy in the van anymore, you're the guy who owns the house with the guy in the van parking outside. And the guy in the van shits in a plastic bag and knots it off and throws it in your bushes. Seriously, think of the things houses have that vans don't. Running water, electric, septic, trash pickup. Now the guy who is living in front of your house has none of these things, and you are his provider. Calling the cops at 3am starts to look more appealing.

Vulpes posted:

Even considering you're an old man who wants the kids to get off his lawn, you should probably have a prostate exam.
Rather than counting how often I pissed in a 24 hour period, I googled "how often does the average person pee". I got 6-8 which didn't seem out of line. Maybe 4-6 is closer, but even at 4... you need to drink more water.

photomikey fucked around with this message at 20:18 on May 30, 2014

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

photomikey posted:

Running water, electric, septic,

ITT: People who didn't read the OP / click any of the links and blithely decide to shoot their mouths off while assuming that "living in a van" means "living in a metal tent".

What is this place, Reddit? :colbert:

photomikey
Dec 30, 2012
Oh man, I didn't realize that when he was parking in front of my house he would be pulling a water meter, plumbing into the sewer, and hiring a trash service. I take back everything I said.

photomikey fucked around with this message at 21:42 on May 30, 2014

photomikey
Dec 30, 2012
Double post.

TheAwfulWaffle
Jun 30, 2013
A fundamental problem you'll have is that the security of your van-house will always depend on other people not hassling you about it.

Any homeowner, business owner, or random passerby can call and complain to the cops that you're squatting on whatever property you choose to squat on. Sooner or later, the cops will respond to one of those complaints.

Any cop who wants to can find some reason to hassle/ticket/arrest you: trespassing, vagrancy, loitering, violation of weird local housing codes, camping without a license, failure to pass some inspection you've never heard of etc. etc. If you have alcohol in your van-house, you might be violating the local open container law. If you've been drinking, you might pick up a DUI even if you're parked and asleep.

Any judge you get hauled in front of can gently caress you over if they want to. Be particularly concerned about having your van-house towed or impounded. Sure, you can get it back, but you're even more homeless than before until you pay whatever fines and fees you have to pay.

Also, strangers will break into your van-house and steal your stuff. If you are lucky, they won't shiv you in your sleep.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Many of these replies make me think the USA is some sort of apocalyptic hellscape compared to Canada, is this true? :ohdear:

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Rime posted:

Many of these replies make me think the USA is some sort of apocalyptic hellscape compared to Canada, is this true? :ohdear:
One of the reasons Vancouver isn't a hellscape is because the cops are massive hardasses about exactly the same set of laws you're planning on violating.

Also seriously, a van, in the winter, in Canada. What part of that sounds good to you?

photomikey
Dec 30, 2012
People live freely in motorhomes on the residential streets of urban Canada?

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

photomikey posted:

People live freely in motorhomes on the residential streets of urban Canada?

Yes. I've encountered about 50 in the past month, and that's just on the routes I regularly bicycle. Many of these vehicles haven't moved in quite some time, either.

Not residential streets, (though I have seen a few in semi-residential), which again is something that people seem to be ignoring from the OP. Vancouver has a massive former industrial zone right downtown, which has no development on it due to zoning conflicts with the railway. The only businesses are freight warehouses and an impound lot, and they don't give a poo poo.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

One of the reasons Vancouver isn't a hellscape is because the cops are massive hardasses about exactly the same set of laws you're planning on violating.

Also seriously, a van, in the winter, in Canada. What part of that sounds good to you?

The part where it's insulated to R25, and the weather here doesn't go below Zero? The cops in Vancouver don't give a rats rear end of their own volition. We have one of the worst homeless problems in the country, they have better things to do.

Rime fucked around with this message at 23:48 on May 30, 2014

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Rime posted:

The part where it's insulated to R25, and the weather here doesn't go below Zero?
No matter how well you insulate a van is still a van and it's going to be cold. It's also going to smell like farts. Before you spend any money on this idea I recommend you buy yourself some decent camping gear and go spend a week or so somewhere without amenities. You're going to have to learn to live a little rough so you should probably make sure living in an icy fartbox doesn't drive you insane before you decide to sink a few thousand dollars.

photomikey
Dec 30, 2012

Rime posted:

Vancouver has a massive former industrial zone right downtown, which has no development on it due to zoning conflicts with the railway. The only businesses are freight warehouses and an impound lot, and they don't give a poo poo.
You're right. That does sound lovely.

Much like any thread where the OP has a brilliant idea that everyone else things is stupid, and the OP responds to every comment with "BUT THIS WILL BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, MAN"... only one way to tell which of us is right. Chronicle your journey.

Leroy Diplowski
Aug 25, 2005

The Candyman Can :science:

Visit My Candy Shop

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I have a buddy who's been living in a small u-haul type truck for about 3 or 4 years now. It doesn't seem to cramp his style too much. He considers himself "voluntarily house-free". He works on his computer doing some sort of writing and just trolls coffee shops all day and bars all night. Literally every person in this town knows him. He always seems to have a girlfriend too. weird.

My little brother spent about a year sleeping in the back of his truck 3 days per week (which had a camper topper). He lived about 40 miles out of town, and when he was in college he would drive into town, go to class for the week while sleeping in his truck, and then head back to the country for the weekend. He had some trouble with the cops harassing him 'tho and had to stop.

ante
Apr 9, 2005

SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS
OP, do you know Zee?

english muffin
Feb 1, 2012
the likes of you and I
I lived in a van in the UK back in the early 90s. Well, I say a van. It was a Volvo truck (rigid) with a converted British Telecom service box on the back. We had a woodburner, a kitchen and a carpet.

We also had to pee in a bucket, fight off marauding junkies and go to friend's houses for a shower. Daily making GBS threads and a strip wash in the toilets at the local DIY store gets old really, really fast.

People here in the UK still live this way - there's a community in the forest about 20 miles from me. But these people are established and work together to make living this way comfortable and workable.

Short answer - living in a van or a lorry is hard work, and very cold in the winter.

Good luck with making GBS threads in a plastic bag and eating out of cans forever.

ChairMaster
Aug 22, 2009

by R. Guyovich
You're gonna need a gun to fight off all the junkies, dude. And that kinda thing doesn't go over all that well in Canada in general.

Rotten Cookies
Nov 11, 2008

gosh! i like both the islanders and the rangers!!! :^)

I respect OP's decision to make his own life miserable. That's what he wants.

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Willie McCoy
Oct 22, 2005
looking for the king of 42nd St...
My Uncle lived in a camper van for a few years. He parked in a few places, usually in front of a relative's house, but he lived in a casino parking lot for awhile. I remember that he had to walk to a gas station to use the toilet because he wasn't allowed to use the one at his girlfriend's daughter's house. I think he didn't want to use his van's toilet because he couldn't afford gas money to get it to a place for dumping and it smelled pretty badly when they used it.

He lived in the Seattle area during this time, so the weather was probably pretty similar to what you'll be dealing with. He still complained about the cold, but you would probably be able to afford to run your heater in a pinch.

One of the things he talked about was that not being able to freely walk around in your own private place gets old. The cramped space was always a problem. He was living with his girlfriend though, and your van might be bigger anyway.

When things got rocky with his girlfriend he moved in with my mom for awhile and he obviously really liked the freedom.

I know the stigma of being a homeless person bothered him a lot, but you're choosing that lifestyle so it won't bother you in exactly the same way. You will have to deal with people treating you differently.

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