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Hagop posted:What caused Harklight to turn around is a bit harder to figure out. Loyalty, I guess? The whole shtick of Saazbaum's faction (of which Harklight was part from the beginning) was "we couldn't care less if you're terran or martian, as long as you're on our side we'll fight to the end for you".
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Mikl posted:Loyalty, I guess? The whole shtick of Saazbaum's faction (of which Harklight was part from the beginning) was "we couldn't care less if you're terran or martian, as long as you're on our side we'll fight to the end for you". I thought Harklight's thing was the bondage of classes, he was following Slaine because he thought Slaine's end game was a people's republic.
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Mar 30, 2015 15:32
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Hagop posted:Slaine's decision to fight makes sense, it is a win win for him. Harklight just didn't want his beloved leader to die alone, and since the Orbital Knights live on honour and martial pride, there was no way anyone else could not come along once he turned around.
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Mar 30, 2015 15:41
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Hagop posted:Also he hates our MC for the gave sin of making friends with the princess. To be fair to Slaine (which apparently no one is), Inaho hosed everything up by shooting first when Slaine showed up to help defeat that fist robot. If he wasn't such an autist the entire show would've changed and we instead would've gotten Inaho + Slaine styling on dudes, flying around by grappling hook using a spaceship for tethering. Which would've been a much better show.
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Eej posted:To be fair to Slaine (which apparently no one is), Inaho hosed everything up by shooting first when Slaine showed up to help defeat that fist robot. If he wasn't such an autist the entire show would've changed and we instead would've gotten Inaho + Slaine styling on dudes, flying around by grappling hook using a spaceship for tethering. It would have been a much safer show. Given how poorly the risk went (aside from the fun end to the first season), you're probably right.
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Mar 30, 2015 16:48
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Eej posted:Inaho hosed everything up by shooting first
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Eej posted:To be fair to Slaine (which apparently no one is), Inaho hosed everything up by shooting first when Slaine showed up to help defeat that fist robot. If he wasn't such an autist the entire show would've changed and we instead would've gotten Inaho + Slaine styling on dudes, flying around by grappling hook using a spaceship for tethering. Slaine shoots first and misses, then Inaho shoots his stabilizer and then dunks him.
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Everything about this second season reads like a setup for a third one at some point. Having just watched Eureka Seven again, their first season does nothing but set up the second season by keeping everyone alive and leaving the plot open enough to be worked with. But yeah, gently caress the writers for not doing anything interesting, all the characters get set in stone at the beginning of the season and then remain stagnant throughout.
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I must have totally misremembered due to my distaste for this show now, my bad.
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Eej posted:Urobuchi didn't do the second season of P-P, which is why it's so much worse. S1 did a really good job of painting a picture of the future with all the various bits about holographic everything, food that is all the same stuff but flavoured to taste like real stuff etc. Then S2 comes along and makes no attempt to expand upon the setting and focuses on just future cops and well, it feels a lot like Aldnoah S2 actually! You can't really fault him for world building. I beg to differ. There were notably weaker episode arcs like the mental clinic incident (why is everyone naked. again?) However, I liked the closer focus on Akane and less on the other guy. I wish we had a greater POV on her family and other relationships outside her work. Basically, we're comparing apples to orange here. Luckily, we can all decide violence against women in media is bad thing, right? 
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Rodyle posted:I think/hope what he's getting at is that there's a difference between saying his female characters need more agency which is a valid criticism of Urobuchi (but one I feel he's improved on generally even if he's got a long way to go), and saying Urobuchi gets off on rape scenes etc, which is a comment on his character I don't think is warranted. This exactly. Eej posted:Well if that's the case I'll break it down for him. Is the rape scene in Clockwork Orange reflective of something of the directory/writers? Are they hacks because they couldn't find any other way to showcase how awful Malcolm's character is? Is George R.R. Martin's In P-P remember that both the copycat murderer girl is killed while being hunted by dogs, Akane's friend has her throat sliced open; men aren't immune either, Kogame's friend was murdered and embalmed the same way those girls were, the Korean immigrant and one of the enforcer's are gibbed, Mr. Uptight loses his arm while his father dies in front of him. Urobuchi I do not believe has any particular affinity for showcasing sexual violence towards women, his "Butcher" M.O is taking what the most horrible fate you can imagine for a character male or female and then following through but this isn't as often sexual violence as you think. I don't like the trope myself but I'm not going to go out of my way to armchair psychoanalyze someone I've never met.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Is George R.R. Martin's bad example sport
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Raenir Salazar posted:Urobuchi I do not believe has any particular affinity for showcasing sexual violence towards women, his "Butcher" M.O is taking what the most horrible fate you can imagine for a character male or female and then following through but this isn't as often sexual violence as you think. Eej did say "sexualized violence" rather than "sexual violence." He's objecting to portrayals of strangulation, for example.
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Silver2195 posted:Eej did say "sexualized violence" rather than "sexual violence." He's objecting to portrayals of strangulation, for example. I think a clarification is in order here; is his objection rooted in the belief that woman are targeted in a way that implies that Urobuchi has some sort of thing against woman in particular or is his objection that the violence is portrayed in a way to appear "sexy" and this reflects on Urobuchi having a liking for violence in of itself? I think the latter is really entering into subjective Rorschach painting territory.
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I think that final episode was as good a wrap up as possible given the nonsense they had to work with. At the very least it was entertaining and had some great bg music.
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Hagop posted:What caused Harklight to turn around is a bit harder to figure out. "I don't want to live in this solar system anymore."
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The funny thing is that Slaine had a perfect opportunity to end the war without killing all his loyal subordinates, blowing up his own base, and getting himself tossed in the gulag. If he had acceded to the princess's request to stop the war, he, Harklight, and all their loyalists would have easily been able to slip into the Princess Faction and thus be immune from all repercussions(like it appears any of the Orbital Knights who opted to stand down and listen to the princess were). He would have even been able to stay on and be his waifu's knight or whatever. But, well, Slaine.
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Kanos posted:The funny thing is that Slaine had a perfect opportunity to end the war without killing all his loyal subordinates, blowing up his own base, and getting himself tossed in the gulag. If he had acceded to the princess's request to stop the war, he, Harklight, and all their loyalists would have easily been able to slip into the Princess Faction and thus be immune from all repercussions(like it appears any of the Orbital Knights who opted to stand down and listen to the princess were). He would have even been able to stay on and be his waifu's knight or whatever. I don't think Slaine felt that Asseylem cared for him anymore and the possibility of just 'slipping in' after he clearly had her under house arrest/detained for his own purposes and ambitions seems reasonably low from his perspective. Slaine is also fairly responsible in continuing the war despite clearly being in a position to stop it and someone had to pay for their crimes. Peace might not have been possible without his capture or held responsible in some manner as the UFE could point him out as a reason to say "Why should we believe you this time? You have a war criminal in your inner circle."
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In what world would being a war criminal stop anyone being in an inner circle?
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Kanos posted:The funny thing is that Slaine had a perfect opportunity to end the war without killing all his loyal subordinates, blowing up his own base, and getting himself tossed in the gulag. If he had acceded to the princess's request to stop the war, he, Harklight, and all their loyalists would have easily been able to slip into the Princess Faction and thus be immune from all repercussions(like it appears any of the Orbital Knights who opted to stand down and listen to the princess were). He would have even been able to stay on and be his waifu's knight or whatever. He just felt the need to suicide for what he'd done, and everything else followed from that. His men were just too stiff-necked to surrender, so he had them retreat, and then Harklight's loyalty started acting up, and the rest was history.
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I watched episodes 17 to 24 today and maaan that ending. I hoped Inaho would shoot Slaine on the beach, or at least Aseylum would get assassinated when she activated that reactor, but noooooo. What a waste of time.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I don't think Slaine felt that Asseylem cared for him anymore and the possibility of just 'slipping in' after he clearly had her under house arrest/detained for his own purposes and ambitions seems reasonably low from his perspective. Slaine is also fairly responsible in continuing the war despite clearly being in a position to stop it and someone had to pay for their crimes. Peace might not have been possible without his capture or held responsible in some manner as the UFE could point him out as a reason to say "Why should we believe you this time? You have a war criminal in your inner circle." Slaine isn't any more of a war criminal than any of the other Orbital Knights, though, he was just the guy in charge for a brief period and largely just continued the policies of his immediate predecessor. Nothing he did was any more horrific than stuff the knights already did, like dropping castles onto population centers. The Princess pretty much begging him to stop the war with tears in her eyes is a pretty clear flag that she cares about him and him doing the right thing, since as shown she didn't even have to try to appeal to him since when he told her to gently caress off she went over his head anyway.
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Haha just watched season 2 over the weekend, what an attrocious ending.  I guess if nothing else it really drove home how dumb war is, but even that was done poorly.
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:Haha just watched season 2 over the weekend, what an attrocious ending. Hehe, but I mean who else didn't get tired of Slaine? Maribito sub-plot just died halfway as I predicted too. His subordinates are silly as hell though.
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Did you mean tired of Inaho? I'm confused.
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Eej posted:Did you mean tired of Inaho? I'm confused. Nah, Inaho didn't do much other than be romote-controlled by his new robo eye for a few episodes. I did find out that he was quite skilled at chess though
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paragon1 posted:Well, at least Inaho made Slaine cry at the end. Just watched the finale after holding off for a while, and I couldn't agree more. Slaine deserved more suffering, and it happened. 10/10 ending in my book.
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Eej posted:you got weird ideas on why people deserve suffering dude Dude massacred a few dozen thousand (tentative estimate) earthlings so he could become the "earth-friendly" ruler and tried to marry his love by announcing his marriage to a girl disguised as her. He's a pretty suffering-worthy dude.
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mythicknight posted:Just watched the finale after holding off for a while, and I couldn't agree more. Slaine deserved more suffering, and it happened. 10/10 ending in my book. I thought he'd die but oh well. I think spending prison with Inaho as your only visitor is worse. Still sad about how the latter didn't become a full cyborg.
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I just watched episode 12 and wanted you all to know: gently caress EVERYTHING That is all.  Maybe martian guns aren't fatal...
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Stop now and just think up a good ending for yourself.
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Martian guns: As fatal as a flyswatter. Alternate snark: "Excuse me, but we can only have one stone-cold badass in this show." It can't be worse than SAO.
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Ranzear posted:It can't be worse than SAO. Eh, it's pretty up there on lovely endings.
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Ranzear posted:Martian guns: As fatal as a flyswatter. That's a low bar, and I suggest finding higher bars for comparing things instead of continuing.
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Ranzear posted:It can't be worse than SAO. It's up there. Oh lordy is it up there.
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Sakurazuka posted:Stop now and just think up a good ending for yourself. 
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