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Red Mundus posted:Honestly after watching the trailer I just wished they had made an Elder Scrolls movie.
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Why does this movie look like the Narnia movies to me? In a way I like that the Warcraft series has tried to do something with Orcs other than the savage horde of monster men like in LOTR but something doesn't seem right here.
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Nov 7, 2015 21:11
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Red Mundus posted:Honestly after watching the trailer I just wished they had made an Elder Scrolls movie. Only if it embraces the best parts of the lore and has huge magical time-bending mechas, racist wizards living in huge mushroom towers that have no stairs to keep out non-levitating proles and genocidal nihilist Elves that are trying to destroy the world by re-killing the god who tricked the other gods into creating who has managed to return from the dead by taking on a series of human avatars that all were eventually worshiped as gods after they killed a bunch of people. Also CHIM although I suspect they might have to rework that for it to work outside the context of video games.
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Nov 7, 2015 21:31
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graynull posted:Everything about the visuals in the trailer just seem off to me. I think the thing that struck me the most was how plastic and homemade cosplay the human armor looked. Thats how I felt till I watched it on a larger screen in good quality. Ive played the mmo for a couple of months and know drat near nothing of the lore, still looks like a decent summer flick to me.
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Nov 7, 2015 21:46
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Kvlt! posted:It's so bizarre to me that they are basing the movie off of Warcraft and not World of Warcraft. Why would you do just Orcs and Humans when you could have the Burning Legion, Arthas, etc plus all the cool races and stuff. Seems like a missed opportunity. They've wanted to tell the story "from the beginning" since this movie was in the works. One of the main reasons it got delayed is that nobody gives a gently caress about just orcs vs humans, people know WoW for all its blue elves and weird space poo poo. I sort of assume one of the reasons the orcs got a refocusing in the game itself in the last expansion was partly to make people who play the game care at all about this film's premise.
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Nov 8, 2015 00:52
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Kvlt! posted:It's so bizarre to me that they are basing the movie off of Warcraft and not World of Warcraft. Why would you do just Orcs and Humans when you could have the Burning Legion, Arthas, etc plus all the cool races and stuff. Seems like a missed opportunity. It's all the same though. Obviously the first film they want to make an "origin" story, which is all the stuff from the RTS Warcraft games, which then transitions into WoW. There are characters in the movie from WoW though, so they're obviously blending things as needed. The Burning Legion would be cool, but I suspect if they show up at all it'll be at a cliffhanger ending where the characters are all "I guess Orcs and Humans can only be enemies...", BOOM Burning Legion drop out of the sky, and Orcs and Humans are all BFF's now. Such a uneven trailer though. You have that amazing shot of the Orc, looks great, one of the best realized CGI characters ever, and then most of the rest of the trailer looks like rear end.
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Nov 8, 2015 01:07
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Brown (and other earth tones) is the natural orc color, but nearly the entire species was corrupted by demons, which turned their skin green. Though as you mention, in Warcraft 3, demonic corruption turned green orcs red. so the orcs are brown skinned savages from another world? ahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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Nov 8, 2015 03:25
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Milky Moor posted:so the orcs are brown skinned savages from another world? Warcraft having terrible racial politics? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDrX9Ml4TyM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBd671LvlZk
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Nov 8, 2015 03:27
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgcb3psHHfk
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Nov 8, 2015 03:36
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Milky Moor posted:so the orcs are brown skinned savages from another world? They're noble, brown-skinned savages with a deep, spiritual connection to nature, who eventually ally with a race of minotaur men who live on a gigantic mesa in tipis and carve loving totem poles. Greetings!
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Vermain posted:They're noble, brown-skinned savages with a deep, spiritual connection to nature, who eventually ally with a race of minotaur men who live on a gigantic mesa in tipis and carve loving totem poles. Greetings! They're also allied with a race of savage jungle people with Jamaican accents and a money-grubbing merchant race with large noses
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Nov 8, 2015 05:18
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The only thing funnier than Warcraft's racism is the sexual dimorphism that means even the monster races have women that look fuckable to nerds, usually half the size of the males.
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Nov 8, 2015 05:28
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HorseRenoir posted:They're also allied with a race of savage jungle people with Jamaican accents and a money-grubbing merchant race with large noses What's the latter.
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Nov 8, 2015 05:32
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Frostwerks posted:What's the latter. Goblins, who weren't really affiliated with anyone until the last expansion or the one before that.
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Nov 8, 2015 05:34
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computer parts posted:Goblins, who weren't really affiliated with anyone until the last expansion or the one before that. They worked with the horde in Warcraft II though.
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Nov 8, 2015 05:39
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IShallRiseAgain posted:They worked with the horde in Warcraft II though. Yeah, back when they were just insane alchemists. They turned into war profiteers later on.
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Nov 8, 2015 05:43
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Filing this movie into my "See it when drunk off my rear end with friends" list. Warcraft has had moments of very good storytelling and characters, even in recent years in WoW. The problem is that those moments tend to have nothing to do with the tired old Orcs vs Humans plot that's been run so far into the ground it's surfacing somewhere in the South China Sea, and I can't see Metzen letting this movie be about the parts of Warcraft that are actually generally creative and written well.
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Nov 8, 2015 07:36
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Milky Moor posted:so the orcs are brown skinned savages from another world? e: Apparently Blizzard has now taken to German racialism of the 19th century/Nazism for inspiration too, using "Blood and Soil" as the name for a skill for one of the traditionally good guy classes. Now if only they could take cinematic cues from Riefenstahl. Cythereal posted:Filing this movie into my "See it when drunk off my rear end with friends" list. Warcraft has had moments of very good storytelling and characters, even in recent years in WoW. The problem is that those moments tend to have nothing to do with the tired old Orcs vs Humans plot that's been run so far into the ground it's surfacing somewhere in the South China Sea, and I can't see Metzen letting this movie be about the parts of Warcraft that are actually generally creative and written well. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Nov 8, 2015 |
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Nov 8, 2015 09:46
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Milky Moor posted:so the orcs are brown skinned savages from another world?
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Nov 8, 2015 14:55
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Baron Bifford posted:I thought the whole point of giving orcs green skin was to avoid racial connotations. Why would Blizzard reverse this? They're very stupid.
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Nov 8, 2015 14:57
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Trailer shows actual black people among humans, so maybe that won't be a problem.
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Nov 8, 2015 14:57
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It's really weird because it's obvious the early games were supposed to be taking place in that world's equivalent of Europe, hence why everything is super British and white and christian, but then they went and decided that those are the only humans in the world and the rest of the planet is inhabited by racist cartoon races. So they had to put in a bunch of unexplained different skin color humans who live in the tiny European human lands. They don't have their own culture or homeland or anything, and everyone in power is white as snow. But that one guard is black, so it's not racist.
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Nov 8, 2015 15:00
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fatherboxx posted:Trailer shows actual black people among humans, so maybe that won't be a problem. The orcs aren't black they're mongolian lern history plz
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Nov 8, 2015 15:02
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Some of them are black-grey... Do remember that Warlocks also used to have a talent called 'Holocaust'.
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Nov 8, 2015 15:18
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This terrible discussion feels incomplete without Lord Garithos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNv9nR7QVPk
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Nov 8, 2015 15:21
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Baron Bifford posted:I thought the whole point of giving orcs green skin was to avoid racial connotations. Why would Blizzard reverse this? Darth Walrus posted:Do remember that Warlocks also used to have a talent called 'Holocaust'.
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Nov 8, 2015 15:38
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Lurdiak posted:everyone in power is white as snow. But that one guard is black, so it's not racist. Well, I'm not sure how big a role she'll play in the movie, but the queen of Stormwind is played by Ruth Negga, who is half Ethiopian, so not everyone.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:13
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Darth Walrus posted:Do remember that Warlocks also used to have a talent called 'Holocaust'. So? I could understand being upset if they called it "THE Holocaust" but they don't. It's an actual word that was used far before the Holocaust happened.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:21
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Kvlt! posted:So? I just thought it was amusing in the context of a later perk being straight-up named 'Blood and Soil'.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:55
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The green skin was probably just inspired by Warhammer, back when they hoped to obtain a license to make a Warhammer game. If anyone thought about avoiding racial connotations it was probably the early creators of the Warhammer franchise. Lurdiak posted:So they had to put in a bunch of unexplained different skin color humans who live in the tiny European human lands. They don't have their own culture or homeland or anything, and everyone in power is white as snow. But that one guard is black, so it's not racist. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Nov 8, 2015 |
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Nov 8, 2015 17:02
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Baron Bifford posted:If Lordaeron is supposed to be medieval England or France, then it's natural for everybody to be white, because in those days travel was hard and Africa was far way. Ancient Romans, by contrast, were a very mixed bunch because their Empire was centered around the Mediterranean. Thing is, this isn't Lordaeron, which is in the far north of the world not far from the arctic circle. This is Stormwind, which lies far to the south. Geographically speaking, if Lordaeron is somewhere in Europe then Stormwind is in sub-Saharan Africa. Then again, trying to apply logic and sense to Warcraft's world-building is something always doomed to failure.
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Nov 8, 2015 17:10
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Stormwind, OK, but it still looks based on northern Europe in the Middle Ages.
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Nov 8, 2015 17:42
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Darth Walrus posted:I just thought it was amusing in the context of a later perk being straight-up named 'Blood and Soil'. How surprising, a game that often features racial-tension as a plot point would use a term relating to racial tension.
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Nov 8, 2015 17:46
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The green skin was probably just inspired by Warhammer, back when they hoped to obtain a license to make a Warhammer game. If anyone thought about avoiding racial connotations it was probably the early creators of the Warhammer franchise.
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Nov 8, 2015 17:49
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Terrible Opinions posted:Haha no. The creators of the warhammer franchise were the ones who thought "pygmy" was a good idea as a fantasy army race and the same about modeling orcs are skullshape displays on scientific racism. The orcs in warhammer only started looking not horrifically racist after they started copying warcraft right back in the mid 90s.
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Nov 8, 2015 18:00
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My point was that orcs being green had nothing to do with not being racist, and likely came from blatantly copying UK LotR illustrations that had green orcs/goblins.
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Nov 8, 2015 18:10
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Lurdiak posted:racial Lurdiak posted:racism A Buttery Pastry posted:racialism Baron Bifford posted:racial Lurdiak posted:racist Lurdiak posted:racist. A Buttery Pastry posted:racial Kvlt! posted:racial-tension Kvlt! posted:racial Terrible Opinions posted:racism. Terrible Opinions posted:racist A Buttery Pastry posted:racist Terrible Opinions posted:racist,  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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