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Pavlov
Oct 21, 2012

I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that
I dropped this show at like episode 3-4. I was gunna ask if it's worth finishing, but looking at the thread it just went downhill. See this is why I pick at stuff like the uninspired setting. It's the mark of a lazy writer, and sounds like the whole script turned out lazy.

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Alfalfa The Roach
Oct 13, 2012

You need to be a badass first.
The setting isn't the problem, it's that the script feels half-baked and nothing feels fleshed out enough. Like you can quibble over details all you want but the setting being WW2 with magical girls is the least of this show's issues

(I say this without having watched past episode 5, but my point remains)

Pavlov
Oct 21, 2012

I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that
A good writer could do something with the setting, but they're also not going to choose it. It's the sort of setting you choose when you want to put the least amount of effort into your period piece. You don't have to research real people or events, you don't have to do any serious worldbuilding. It doesn't sound like they even explain what diverged that timeline from ours. A good writer would want to do one of those things. A lazy writer avoids them.

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014

by Games Forum
I caught up. It felt compelling again when the younger spy showed up, which made me feel like if there could have been better instances of side characters directing plot threads instead of just being bits and pieces of them amidst comedic filler, the middle parts of the show wouldn't have felt as uninteresting. Well, I've liked it since ep 8. Last week's ep: very nice. Very romantic

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

And we're done. Not a great ending, but not an abysmal one. The fights were pretty entertaining. Thank gently caress they didn't kill Izetta. Still should have had her and Fine kiss, should have shown us their reunion (or at least given Izetta an actual line of dialog in the ending) instead of wasting time reminding us how World War 2 ended, but whatever, as bad as this show could be I'll accept this ending.

Show turned out a C+ overall, I'd say. Decent production values, great (if far too-lightly explored) main couple, entertaining action scenes, and an engaging premise all creaking and straining against a profoundly trope-y and mediocre writer. I'll have to be much more skeptical the next time I see Hiroyuki Yoshino's name on a show I'm interested in.

Spiritus Nox fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Dec 17, 2016

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

Well thank god they didn't kill her off. Stupid show, why weren't you better?

Some of the fights were great. Izetta and Fine are great. Everything else...

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

That fight was pretty deece. And Izetta and Fine got together in the end. But other than that this show was a massive disappointment. It could've been so good. :(

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006



Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011


Finé

Xinder
Apr 27, 2013

i want to be a prince
Just got around to watching the last episode.

I've gone from resigned about how mediocre the show got to angry about how much wasted potential it had. This could have really gone somewhere if it actually focused on any of its strengths instead of devoting so much time to trying to do funny gags.

Space Flower
Sep 10, 2014

by Games Forum
it feels like the single-cour format was a major shortcoming for this show. I don't have a problem with the comic relief they used while setting up the world and characters, but by the time the world building was done the show was already knocking on the door of its climax. Consequently, while Izetta and Fine are given ample exposition that fuels their big moments, we get dynamics like with Bianca and Rickert's episode where they're given absolutely no time to weave their own subplot. Berkmann, the crafty Germanian antagonist, is at odds with his own country but we're never given the insight into how and why that would really flesh him out as a character. young Jonas becoming Sieg's undoing in the last episode is a highlight moment, but we don't see enough of it haunting Sieg and setting up a truly emotional impact.

Fine and Izetta are beautiful, but as static leads they need a vibrant cast beside them. their sub-characters are diamonds in the rough—without the proper care they're unable to do a good job of invigorating their show.

https://twitter.com/BUNBUN922/status/810106514388254720

i liked it regardless.

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


alright show that could have been great

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Pavlov posted:

I dropped this show at like episode 3-4. I was gunna ask if it's worth finishing, but looking at the thread it just went downhill. See this is why I pick at stuff like the uninspired setting. It's the mark of a lazy writer, and sounds like the whole script turned out lazy.
i wish you'd be like the writers of this show, and be lazy, so that you never post

jellycat
Nov 5, 2012

it's a nice day
I saw a Japanese tweet pointing out that Finé's name means "the end", so you can also interpret the title of the show as "Finé's Izetta" :3:

I think everyone's basically covered how I feel about the show, but I'm glad Izetta lived and I hope people write some fluffy fanfic about her and Finé being happy together.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

jellycat posted:

I hope people write some fluffy fanfic about her and Finé being happy together.

There's already a couple on Archive of Our Own by the same guy that do some nice continuation fluff from the end of episode 11 and leading up to the epilogue bit in 12, if you're into that sort of thing.

jellycat
Nov 5, 2012

it's a nice day

Spiritus Nox posted:

There's already a couple on Archive of Our Own by the same guy that do some nice continuation fluff from the end of episode 11 and leading up to the epilogue bit in 12, if you're into that sort of thing.

I am into that sort of thing, thank you! I mostly read Japanese fanfic nowadays but I will definitely check those out.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

It is.

https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/811772209924452352

Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


:kimchi:

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

This is it, the true ending and you can't tell me otherwise.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

In the end, Gag!Izetta got a better deal than her non-gag counterpart. :unsmith:

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

There's no way gag Izetta isn't ending up in a wheelchair.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
gag izetta will do that thing where she stands up in her wheelchair and to surprise other people

except she'll also surprise herself

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

Phobophilia posted:

gag izetta will do that thing where she stands up in her wheelchair and to surprise other people

except she'll also surprise herself

"Fine-sama! I can walk!"

*nukes go off*

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chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

She stands up but it turns out gravity has reversed and everyone flies off into space and dies.

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