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Baloogan posted:because modern society has broken the community of humanity; we're all disconnected and alienated constantly set in competition against one another. [nodding kermit gif] but what to do I guess make plans to capitalize on the GOP running the country into the ground maybe just fixing the problems after they happen will be enough to give legitimacy to the argument that seeing the world as a series of conquests and personal wars is diminishing to us maybe that's a long shot, but if there aren't even any scraps to fight over then who knows, maybe people will realize they should be fighting over more than scraps
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lol theres gonna be hella instability hella war hella strife and horrible things world wide and here and we're gonna look back on 2016 with fondness and envy the dead
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 14:26 |
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finally, a realistic plan of action from the left
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 14:27 |
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Baloogan posted:lol theres gonna be hella instability hella war hella strife and horrible things world wide and here and we're gonna look back on 2016 with fondness and envy the dead blood greases the cogs that keeps the wheels turning so if you have to go all guillotine the rich, then theres another system in place where blood will still have to be the cogs that keeps the wheels turning inshallah only death is certain
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 14:37 |
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ScrubLeague posted:Really we just need to seize the means of production for the benefit of the labour class. Really we just need to be excellent to each other.
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 17:11 |
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Baloogan posted:youre memes and general ideas lead yall lefties to think there is a groundswell of untapped support, but their isn't at all; thats why u gotta start at the bottom, start locally and build that. like yall ain't gonna see a socalist revolution without more low level support and u need that low level support to acheve youre lofty goals! agreed. there's no hope in establishing communism from above, practically. and there's fundamental issues with that theory and the grim history is proof. communism from the bottom up! local communes that are provide us with a good life outside capitalism and break through our social alienation. and are capable of building the power to take on all the systems of power over others
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 18:59 |
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reignonyourparade posted:Social democracy is pretty conclusively a failure. Leave capitalism intact and it just waits a decade and then gets all restrictions placed upon it legislated away and all the social services privatized. yepp, this was like the prime reason for the break between revolutionaries and reformists in 19th century socialism
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 19:01 |
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Zombiepop posted:I dont really agree, the scandinavian countries are doing fine, But yeah a lot of it is becoming worse as time goes. exception to prove the rule. the scandinavian countries social democracies had unique opportunities to go a little further and last a little longer than other countries, but they will suffer the fates of neoliberalism and now neoliberal fascism soon enough.
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 19:04 |
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reignonyourparade posted:Social democracy is pretty conclusively a failure. Leave capitalism intact and it just waits a decade and then gets all restrictions placed upon it legislated away and all the social services privatized. Actually existing socialist societies ended up creating a privileged caste of bureaucrats who then, within a generation or two, abandoned any pretense of socialism and used their power to transform their countries into hyper-capitalist gangster economies. It's not like one particular brand of socialism stands out as being particularly successful right now. Both reformist and revolutionary socialism, as they were conceived in the 19th and 20th centuries, would seem to have failed. And say what you will about the reformists but at least in some parts of the first world we still have a limited social safety net to fall back on thanks to previous generations of reformism.
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 19:10 |
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I'm pretty into Bookchin right now and I'm tending to agree with him that the environment is what is going to hopefully get people together to unite against defeating capitalism. Class consciousness doesn't seem to work, at least in the US. Workers seem to keep voting against their best interests and climate change is a time bomb. Unfortunately I think it'll take a few environmental catastrophes and major destabilization of the state and economy to get folks to wake up. I'm follow what's happening in Rojava with some hope, but they haven't succeed yet. In the meantime, I'd like to see local socialist organization to help make some people's lives less lovely.
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 19:49 |
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What everyone should be looking at is California right now. That's where things need to start, considering Dems have power in all the levers of power there. This is the time to show that the Dems actually stand for something, rather than technocracy.
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 20:17 |
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Nietzschean posted:Really we just need to be excellent to each other. Sorry, we're in the timeline where Ted got sent to military school
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# ? Nov 30, 2016 20:48 |
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Shageletic posted:This is the time to show that the Dems actually stand for something, rather than technocracy. Technocracy implies a much stronger dedication to outcomes and competence than I think can be fairly attributed to Dems.
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 00:19 |
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GlyphGryph posted:Technocracy implies a much stronger dedication to outcomes and competence than I think can be fairly attributed to Dems. The Democrats are into technocracy in the same way that the medieval Catholic Church was into Christianity.
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 00:53 |
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Helsing posted:Actually existing socialist societies ended up creating a privileged caste of bureaucrats who then, within a generation or two, abandoned any pretense of socialism and used their power to transform their countries into hyper-capitalist gangster economies. Social democracy is not democratic/reformist socialism. Social democracy does not involve a desire to do away with capitalism, it very deliberately leaves it in place with shackles that somewhat less deliberately don't last long. Reformist socialism has only failed in its thought that it could ally with social democracy. It hasn't failed in the execution stage because it never got to the execution stage.
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 03:00 |
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reignonyourparade posted:Social democracy is not democratic/reformist socialism. Social democracy does not involve a desire to do away with capitalism, it very deliberately leaves it in place with shackles that somewhat less deliberately don't last long. Reformist socialism has only failed in its thought that it could ally with social democracy. It hasn't failed in the execution stage because it never got to the execution stage. Reformist socialism has failed to gain power, which is how it ends up as a single fraction of a larger social democratic movement in most countries. Given the high ambitions that the socialist movement was setting itself in the 19th century I don't think it's unfair to call this a failure.
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# ? Dec 1, 2016 04:20 |
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i've never seen a use of 'technocracy' that wasn't just straight up elitism/justification for disenfranchisement "we're running the government based on a system of merit" *runs the government with the same 30 graduate friends from the same 3 exclusive private schools*
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# ? Dec 10, 2016 10:08 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 16:56 |
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step 1: entire fossil fuel industry to gulag, where they will be offered green infrastructure and conservation science re-education
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