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Plutonis posted:*The Lutheran heresy No that's Calvinism.
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Al! posted:what if instead of tryin to find the one true dialectic the left organized as a coalition of different groups various ideals, welcoming liberation theologists, christian anarchists, and even moderate christians with socialist tendancies There are quite a few christian leftists that have done admirable and revolutionary things. Liberation theology is still too broad to really say, since it goes from bullshit anti-socialist charities (and people who went neolib as hard as mainline labour parties) to people who are basically marxists with a cross.
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Jan 19, 2017 19:08
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paranoid randroid posted:[extremely megachurch voice] well actually the Eye of the Needle was a famous gate in Jerusalem that was so narrow people had to take all their stuff off their camels before they could pass through, and once they were on the other side they put all the stuff back on the camel. *dies wealthy and scared* *never enters the kingdom of heaven*
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Here is the new liberation. http://tradinista.com/content/images/2016/09/tradinista.jpg
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Jan 19, 2017 19:11
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paranoid randroid posted:[extremely megachurch voice] well actually the Eye of the Needle was a famous gate in Jerusalem that was so narrow people had to take all their stuff off their camels before they could pass through, and once they were on the other side they put all the stuff back on the camel. "it is mildly more inconvenient for a camel to pass thru the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven"
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Jan 19, 2017 19:37
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Agnosticnixie posted:There are quite a few christian leftists that have done admirable and revolutionary things. yeah yer rite, the left wouldnt be the left without rigorous ideological cleavages
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Jan 19, 2017 19:39
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Al! posted:yeah yer rite, the left wouldnt be the left without rigorous ideological cleavages Yes, not wanting to throw heavy support behind feckless neoliberals who happen to be carrying a flag that has some genuine leftists under it is literally the great purge. I'm just saying that liberation theology is a lot less of a cohesive ideological framework than some people who talk about it seem to think.
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Jan 19, 2017 20:08
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Jesus posted:The poor you will always have with you
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Jan 19, 2017 21:43
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Agnosticnixie posted:There are quite a few christian leftists that have done admirable and revolutionary things. marxist with a cross is a preposition change away from jesus, hth
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Jan 19, 2017 21:45
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This won't happen because young people don't care about traditional religion. Pop culture is their "religion." All this stuff about Harry Potter and Star Wars and the Hunger Games is the new liberation theology for them, but it obviously won't take them very far because those things don't have enough philosophical depth or historical perspective to sustain that kind of a movement.
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Jan 19, 2017 21:53
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Best Giraffe posted:marxist with a cross is a preposition change away from jesus, hth Render to Caesar isn't really that much of a revolutionary program to abolish the equestrian class, hth. (Also people on all sides have a tendency to project their own tendencies over what they imagine to be the real Jesus, which muddles poo poo a lot)
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Jan 19, 2017 21:57
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Christianity outlasted Rome and it will outlast the United States.
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Jan 19, 2017 21:58
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Al! posted:what if instead of tryin to find the one true dialectic the left organized as a coalition of different groups various ideals, welcoming liberation theologists, christian anarchists, and even moderate christians with socialist tendancies The left already has enough identity issues without battles over sky wizards or what a 2000 year old corpse's opinions on abortion were.
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Jan 21, 2017 06:21
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you see, lucifer is actually the good guy in all this, i read about it in shin megami tensei
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Jan 21, 2017 06:30
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Not a Step posted:The left already has enough identity issues without battles over sky wizards or what a 2000 year old corpse's opinions on abortion were. 
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Jan 21, 2017 07:24
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Please. My faith in the God Emperor of Mankind protects me
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Jan 21, 2017 07:35
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"I am completely baffled that the left might have an issue with religion, organized or otherwise, and its reliance on a celestial king and rewards in the afterlife, what are the mexican and spanish revolutions?"
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Jan 21, 2017 12:47
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Agnosticnixie posted:"I am completely baffled that the left might have an issue with religion, organized or otherwise, and its reliance on a celestial king and rewards in the afterlife, what are the mexican and spanish revolutions?" Well maybe don't burn down churches next time? Or at least not the Holy Family's ones.
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Jan 21, 2017 18:09
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Agnosticnixie posted:"I am completely baffled that the left might have an issue with religion, organized or otherwise, and its reliance on a celestial king and rewards in the afterlife, what are the mexican and spanish revolutions?" Sounds like the problem might be Catholicism?? E: long live the reformation! God bless the anabaptists!!
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Jan 21, 2017 18:16
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 Bonhoeffer posted:We are not to simply bandage the wounds of victims beneath the wheels of injustice, we are to drive a spoke into the wheel itself.
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Jan 21, 2017 18:38
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jehovah is a monster who gives children cancer and claims to have composed creation as an elaborate experiment to see whether he could abuse a sentient species into adoring him. there's a whole world of other, better gods to worship, why go back to vile, corrupted well of monotheism? praise odin, hail ishtar, death to the grotesque rites of the demiurge and his broken slaves
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Jan 21, 2017 18:44
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zeal posted:jehovah is a monster who gives children cancer and claims to have composed creation as an elaborate experiment to see whether he could abuse a sentient species into adoring him. there's a whole world of other, better gods to worship, why go back to vile, corrupted well of monotheism? praise odin, hail ishtar, death to the grotesque rites of the demiurge and his broken slaves Well all of those gods are subject to creation. Yaweh is beyond creation. SUCK IT PAGANS! Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 19:22 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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Jan 21, 2017 18:55
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Crowsbeak posted:No that's Calvinism. Calvinsim is powerful and real. God already knows everything we gonna do and has known the course of history from the moment he created it.
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Jan 21, 2017 19:01
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The Kingfish posted:Calvinsim is powerful and real. God already knows everything we gonna do and has known the course of history from the moment he created it. Calvinism like Islam is a perversion of God's word. Now go to the priest at your local church and admit your sins at confession.
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Jan 21, 2017 19:23
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zeal posted:jehovah is a monster who gives children cancer and claims to have composed creation as an elaborate experiment to see whether he could abuse a sentient species into adoring him. there's a whole world of other, better gods to worship, why go back to vile, corrupted well of monotheism? praise odin, hail ishtar, death to the grotesque rites of the demiurge and his broken slaves uh i'm sorrry but i think jenova was that thing you fought instead of sephiroth a lot of times
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Jan 21, 2017 21:27
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i ain't saying the god of the monotheists is or isn't real, i'm fine with with acknowledging that no one can no for sure whether such beings exist. i'm just saying, if you take him at his word, he's an insane monster who must be opposed Crowsbeak posted:Well all of those gods are subject to creation. Yaweh is beyond creation. SUCK IT PAGANS! umm creation is just the dead body of the frost giant ymir, and/or the living body of the titan gaea. the god of the monotheists may in fact believe in his twisted usually non-corporeal heart that he created existence, but he's not a reliable narrator
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Jan 21, 2017 22:42
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zeal posted:
zeal posted:i ain't saying the god of the monotheists is or isn't real, i'm fine with with acknowledging that no one can no for sure whether such beings exist. i'm just saying, if you take him at his word, he's an insane monster who must be opposed He gave you free will and the ability to see the world as is. Rather then be as dumb as the rest of creation. Plus there's Salvation. Sounds awesome.
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zeal posted:i ain't saying the god of the monotheists is or isn't real, i'm fine with with acknowledging that no one can no for sure whether such beings exist. i'm just saying, if you take him at his word, he's an insane monster who must be opposed Yeah, gee, sure, let's just go and try to oppose the omnipotent creator of the universe. That makes sense.
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