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20 years after the original release, the seemingly impossible has happened; Not only has there been an official English release of Princess Maker 2, Princess Maker 1 has also been released in English, and now it's time for.... Princess Maker 3!  Note to potential buyers: the company that translates and publishes it, CFK Co. Ltd, is a Korean company, and the English translations tend to be rather rough and Engrishy, with patches that improve over it in time. I currently do NOT recommend buying the game game on Steam because of some bugs and text quality issues. Unless of course you're a die hard fan. Steam Link for Princess Maker 3. The price is $19.99, and it's on sale for $15.99 until July 4th. The official trailer is here What is this game? The Princess Maker series is a series of life-simulation games by GAINAX studios, of Neon Genesis Evangelion fame. There are 5 mainline games, which were released from 1991 - 2007. The general concept of the game is that you are father (usually a war hero), who is tasked from raising a daughter (who is usually magical) from the ages 10-18. The majority of the game is played by setting a schedule each month with a variety of activities that will influence your daughter character's parameters: Having her take a martial arts class might make her stamina, military skill, and self-confidence go up; but if she ends up with too much self-confidence and not enough morals, and she might start acting like a spoiled brat, and start thinking she's too good to follow what you schedule. As you navigate through the game, you will have random events such as birthdays, holidays, events on the job or in the class, interactions between your daughter and other characters, etc, At the end of 8 in-game years, your daughter will choose to forge a path in life influenced by how she's turned out: there are approximately 60 in-game endings, which all really vary depending on the kind of education you've given your daughter. She could end up becoming a famous chef, or she could even become so holy she chooses to forego mortal life entirely, ascending to heaven to become an angel. There's potential to screw your daughter up as well: maybe she might end up being a bandit, or figure the best way to support the cost of her lifestyle is working at a medieval "gentlemans's club." Of course, the highest goal you can achieve is stated in the title itself: the most rewarding endings to get are ones where her stats are high enough and the right events are triggered for her to become amazing enough a person that she can meet and marry a prince character. In Princess Maker 3, the player is tasked with raising an adopted daughter who is a fairy who's dream it is to become a human princess. The game was originally released for the Playstation 1 in 1997, and then the PC and Sega Saturn in 1998. It has an art style that consists of hand-drawn and animated sprites and portraits, along with voice acting and a classical-esque sounding soundtrack.  What's new, and what's the same? This game, unlike Princess Maker 2, is a pure simulation game. All gameplay is done through setting a schedule and navigating events. There are no RPG elements. In exchange, there are more events, which are deeper and more reactive than the ones in Princess Maker 2. Your daughter character is more reactive to you, how you raise her, and the things that happen around her, as well. Basically, it's a more advanced version of all the simulation aspects in Princess Maker 2. Some of the new features are: Returning Features, Now With More to Do: Most features from Princess Maker 2 have returned, and they've been expanded on: Princess Maker 2 had a fall Harvest Festival; Princess Maker 3 has a New Year's Festival, Spring Flower Festival, and a Fall Harvest Festival. PM2 had 4 possible rivals; PM3 has 7 possible rivals, which can even be befriended. If you were aiming towards going for a princess ending, PM2 had one ending your daughter could pursue; in PM3 there are 6 different options (1 normal, 4 semi-hidden, and 1 secret). Father Customization: During character creation, you can now customize your father character's job. Your character's job will influence your daughter's staring stats, the kind of disposition she starts with, the design of her room, how much salary you earn for childcare expenses, and even how much credit you're allowed to have. You can choose from: Merchant Priest Performer Retired Knight Fallen Noble (an aristocrat from a family that's no longer exists) Traveling Bard Disposition/Moods A major new features is that your daughter's stats grow in a certain way, she may develop a certain disposition that changes her personality and makes her more or less attuned to certain jobs and classes, as well as how she reacts to you. Possible dispositions are: Normal Sick Delinquent Conceited Charming Worried About Money A conceited daughter might think she's too good to do a babysitting job, or a delinquent daughter might get some good out of getting her energy out in a physical job, like carpentry. In my experience, dispositions are generally more negative than positive, however. When she's in one, you probably want to try and get her back to a normal one. Deeper Rivalries/Friendships Like in Princess Maker 2, your daughter can gain a rival if she becomes good enough at a certain skill. There are 7 possible rivals, each tied to 7 of the possible classes she can take: General Education, Martial Arts, Dance, Cooking, Music, Painting, and Protocol. Your daughter and her rival will compete during class tests and festivals, and if your daughter advances far enough in the related skill, to two will eventually become friends. They may even buy each other presents for their birthdays.  Questions: Just how  is this game?Compared to Princess Maker 2, it is considerably less creepy. And it's definitely nowhere near the level of say, the anime games on Steam that are near-porn. There are a few parts that can be uncomfortable, mostly pertaining to non-explicit nudity or some options to be a terrible parent. Personally, I played it as a young girl of 12, and would feel comfortable recommending it for such and maybe a bit younger, (Unlike Princess Maker 2). As much as an anime game can be for a 12 year old, anyway. The ratings for Princess Maker 4 and Princess Maker 5 are 15+, however. If you'd like to get a feel for the CG's, here are links to the vacation and ending ones so you can decide for yourself.. (Also: holy poo poo, Tripod still exists). A general rule with the Princess Maker series is that the further the series goes from 1-5, the less creepy it gets and the more improved-upon the gameplay gets. If Princess Maker 3 is not to your liking, you can ask Steam for a refund any time that you have less than 2 weeks since purchase and less than 2 hours of playtime. Raising a daughter to be a princess is nice an all, but can I screw my daughter up? Naturally! Part of the fun of this series is like The Sims: seeing how far the game will let you go in being a terrible parent. Perhaps you think that being a bar bouncer is an appropriate job for a 14 year old, or the best thing for your daughter would be a retreat to a fasting class. Maybe you thought the prostitute ending in Princess Maker 2 was too much, but have no problem with her being a bar hostess or a rich man's concubine, you monster. Links: General Princess Maker 3 Links: Help for Princess Maker 3 is a bit more limited at the moment, since the game was never released in English, and was not compatible with auto-translation programs. Also, many of the sites with help were put up around 2000, and do not exist anymore. I expect Steam guides will come out soon. Gamefaqs Guide, in text. The most complete guide available in English at the time. HTML version of that guide, with pictures. MegaZeroX's Steam Guide - The most awesome guide on steam; Goon created, Goon approved. Japanese Wiki - this is where the most complete information is online, but it's all in Japanese. I do have a link to an Google Translate English Auto-translation if you're feeling adventurous. To give you an idea of what you'd be dealing with, though, the section for Princess Maker 3 is listed on the left panel as "Princess manufacturer Yumemiru Fairy", so good luck! Goon related Princess Maker links: The (in?) Famous SA Let's Play: Let's Play Princess Maker 2! Turning a sweet baby girl into a monster by Synthbuttrange. Catalina fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Jun 28, 2017 20:21
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Jun 28, 2017 20:21
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Aw man, this is great news, except for one thing- where else can I get a legal English copy of the game if not on Steam?
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Jun 28, 2017 20:29
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This game is definitely appropriate for 12 year olds as what kid doesn't want to dress up a child in a playboy bunny outfit this game is creepy af yo
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Jun 28, 2017 20:35
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That art style for Princess Maker 4 is really not for me. Princess Maker 5 looks awesome though!
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Jun 28, 2017 20:38
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corn in the bible posted:This game is definitely appropriate for 12 year olds as what kid doesn't want to dress up a child in a playboy bunny outfit Fair. I had Cool Parents, so my perception of what's appropriate or not, and what will permanently screw up your child is probably skewed. I had forgotten that PM4 & PM5 were rated 15 and up, so I've updated the first post to reflect that. CommissarMega posted:Aw man, this is great news, except for one thing- where else can I get a legal English copy of the game if not on Steam? I don't know of any places to get this series in English besides Steam, sorry. 
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Jun 28, 2017 20:41
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Catalina posted:Just how I thought they got rid of all the "non-explicit nudity" in this modern release of 2, and would have done the same for 3.
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Jun 28, 2017 21:15
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I'm thinking that Princess Maker was never meant for a widespread commercial release considering the original SoftEgg release getting cancelled and the quality of the new ports. Like I booted up PM3 and it's basically unplayable. CFK is somehow getting worse. I really don't know how they could decide its quality was good enough for release unless they just didn't care and wanted the cheapest turnaround possible. Considering they're showing no improvement in the most basic things like font, word wrapping and general readability, that seems like the most likely scenario. There has to be at least one native english speaker in korea they could run some of this by. like this is the "we're fixing the game" post Firstly, CFK would like to appreciate all the high attentions and supports from all of you. Your opinions and suggestions are all well being collected and related caring progression is hit for now. Plus, the raised ‘Word Wrapping’ issue in texts is to be correcting.
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Jun 28, 2017 23:21
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Sivek posted:I'm thinking that Princess Maker was never meant for a widespread commercial release considering the original SoftEgg release getting cancelled and the quality of the new ports. Like I booted up PM3 and it's basically unplayable. CFK is somehow getting worse. I really don't know how they could decide its quality was good enough for release unless they just didn't care and wanted the cheapest turnaround possible. Considering they're showing no improvement in the most basic things like font, word wrapping and general readability, that seems like the most likely scenario. So basically you're better off with Long Live the Queen until someone competent makes a decent translation.
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VolticSurge posted:So basically you're better off with Long Live the Queen until someone competent makes a decent translation. pretty much, but I wouldn't count on them doing it officially. the word wrapping issues are just insane, especially since their previous release, PM1, had them and they were never fixed. I don't like rea ding text tha t displays lik e this. like how could you have this type of stuff happening in every line and thinking, "nah, we're good"? I'm pretty sure CFK spends the bare amount minimum on these games and makes whatever they can and moves onto the next thing. I'm going to stop posting complaints now. Sivek fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 01:40
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Game sounds cool. You did a good job selling me on it. I would have gotten it if you hadn't warned us about the translations issue; which is a real shame.
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I think it's fine to complain about the translation: the launch of PM1, PM2, and PM3 have all been mini-disasters in English.LLSix posted:Game sounds cool. You did a good job selling me on it. I would have gotten it if you hadn't warned us about the translations issue; which is a real shame. It makes me happy to have more people know about and be interested in the Princess Maker series.  I've played the game myself and finished with one ending, and I'll say the translation is understandable, but kind of awkward in some places, and almost incomprehensible in others. Judging by the updates and news, it looks like they'll be doing what they did with Princess Maker 2: patching major game breaking bugs and translations, making it playable, but frustratingly not edited by a native English speaker. For people on the fence, I hope eventually becomes worth it for them to want to try when it hits a sale mark around $5+ or so.Now, having actually played it in 
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I'll probably start playing through it more seriously when the dev releases a patch fixing the Steam achievements, word wrapping, and improves the translation. They did this with the PM2 release, and I can presume they will do that here. But from what little I've played of it, it is definitely a step up from the first 2. Having played some of the partially translated PM5 (which I really enjoyed), I can definitely see that this is where the games really started feeling alive (ie: my daughter actually has a personality). If I had more time, I would definitely be tempted to do a let's play. I really hope a goon steps up to do that at some point.
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Jul 1, 2017 00:26
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I played the heck out of PM2 as a kid. Most of the creepy aspects didn't even register as such until reading the LP later as an adult. It's still a style of game I love though, Long Live the Queen or even Cute Knight vastly improved on the formula. I'll keep an eye on PM3 and grab it if it ever goes on sale.
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Jul 1, 2017 23:55
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Zoe posted:I'll keep an eye on PM3 and grab it if it ever goes on sale. Its on sale right now for $16 (20% off the normal price) because of the Steam Summer Sale.
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Jul 2, 2017 00:00
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$13.59 for the 3 pack if you have the other two.
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Jul 2, 2017 02:14
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Speaking of Long Live the Queen, since that's my only reference into the genre, how would you say Princess Maker (I guess I'm specifically asking about PM3 since it's mentioned as the least ) compares? I haven't gone too deep into the batshit insane story branches in LLTQ, but how would you say PM matches up in terms of length, gameplay, and tone?
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SexyBlindfold posted:Speaking of Long Live the Queen, since that's my only reference into the genre, how would you say Princess Maker (I guess I'm specifically asking about PM3 since it's mentioned as the least The Princess Maker games are less story driven and more gameplay drive, in general. LLTQ is a visual novel/raising sim hybrid, with it being more of a visual novel than a raising sim. On the other hand, Princess Maker 1 - 3 are basically pure raising sims. Princess maker 5 is a raising sim/visual novel hybrid, with it being more of a raising sim than a visual novel. I don't know much about 4, as I've never played it. In any Princess Maker game, you can expect a single run through to be much longer than LLTQ. LLTQ takes place over 40 weeks, while the Princess Maker games take place over 8 years. Generally speaking, the later the game in the series, the longer it takes. They are much less limited in ending possibilities, since in Princess Maker the daughter can become anything from a farmer to a prostitute to a queen to Satan's wife. Because of the scope of the games (and the earlier ones being more simplistic due to constraints), there isn't a focus on detail and politics or anything like in LLTQ. Rather, you have a daughter, make her work/go to class, and have her stats change. Depending on the game, she can go on RPG adventures with these stats you influenced. 1 and 2 are basically like a gimmicky Micropose game. They have interesting concepts, but you aren't really going to replay them all that often. 1 introduces the concept, but is super limited. 2 refines it, but it is still doesn't feel like your actions really change anything about your daughter until the ending. Starting with 3, your actions really start feeling like they make a real influence on your daughter. There is some reactivity (your daughter starts has dispositions and remembers stuff), and your daughter can even make friends and rivals and stuff. In 5, they have lots of VN segments where you make choices where she can make friends and have these choices effect her personality. The friends she can make are even influenced by the classes she takes and actions she does, so it is actually a pretty complex game. Again, they games get longer the later they are in the series. To illustrate this: in PM1, you choose 3 actions per month, with when multiplied by 12 months for 8 years, which is 288 actions. 2 is the same, but has more events to interrupt the play. 3 has an action every week for 8 years, so it is 192 possible actions, but has more complexity in other facets. In 5, you choose 3 actions every day, which is 8760 actions. MegaZeroX fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Thanks for the in-depth answer! I'm still not entirely sold on the genre, but if I gave it a shot it seems like PM5 would be more up my alley.
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When do you get to gently caress her
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SexyBlindfold posted:Thanks for the in-depth answer! I'm still not entirely sold on the genre, but if I gave it a shot it seems like PM5 would be more up my alley. Keep in mind that PM5 is currently not officially translated, and the fan translation was left incomplete and abandoned in late 2014. CFK does plan to translate 4 and 5 eventually, though it will likely contain a ton of broken English and bugs, that will be somewhat remedied through later patches.
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dangerdoom volvo posted:When do you get to gently caress her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vifYelSTlMo
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MegaZeroX posted:3 has an action every week for 8 years, so it is 384 possible actions. I can't possibly stand looking at the girl's giant forehead that long, maybe I'll just replay 2...
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Jul 3, 2017 02:07
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Zoe posted:I can't possibly stand looking at the girl's giant forehead that long, maybe I'll just replay 2... I actually was wrong on that one, it is 2 actions per month, so 192 actions in total.
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Jul 3, 2017 02:08
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From the Steam forums (Catalina, who I'm presuming is the same Catalina as the OP), you can hold down the left mouse button to speed up the classes, and change it to toggle on mouse click in the config. Also, I'm trying to build a Steam Guide for the game, since not much exists as of yet, so if you have anything to add, it would be helpful. It is still very incomplete in the current state.
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Jul 3, 2017 17:41
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MegaZeroX posted:From the Steam forums (Catalina, who I'm presuming is the same Catalina as the OP), you can hold down the left mouse button to speed up the classes, and change it to toggle on mouse click in the config. Also, I'm trying to build a Steam Guide for the game, since not much exists as of yet, so if you have anything to add, it would be helpful. It is still very incomplete in the current state. Yes, that's me, thank you! I actually just saw your guide last night, thinking, "Hm, it's by a MFMegaZeroX, that name's...hey, wait a minute!" I also added your guide to the OP.
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I just made a public giveaway of Princess Maker 3 on steamgifts.com (a site you have to make an account for to access giveaways to games for your Steam library, naturally). I don't have enough money to make a goon-only giveaway right now, but hopefully I'll be able to in the future. If you wanted a shot at this game for free, good luck. 
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Jul 4, 2017 00:26
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Crossing my fingers for that giveaway! I spent most of my free money for this month on a present and a dinner date with
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Man, I love Princess Maker 2. Looking forward to play the other two games. Thanks for the giveaway, by the way!
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