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mishaq posted:lol if your job and life are so empty and meaningless that acting like this is the only thrill you get not to mention, his IT PM probably makes more money than he does 
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dragon enthusiast posted:instead of a jira we just download the PM's google sheets template and fill in progress manually we do this but emailed excel files without a template so every individual person reports stuff differently via email. hope they remembered to cc you on the email!
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i just started my first job where it wasn't just me doing stuff on my own, and they want user stories and "boards" (there was a special name for them. canban?) and a bunch of other planning stuff. the thing is though is that we don't even have a PM, so the worker bees are supposed to be running the hive. me and the other programmer guy at this point are like beavis and butthead going "uhh this is stupid let's bail" but instead of watching tv we work on computers
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The biggest problem with Agile is that for some bizarre reason in most cases upper management and Agile Evangelist feel they cannot be honest about its real purpose and sell it to developers as some kind of framework for optimizing working on projects. There are literally two different sales pitches for it, one for when it is explained to management and one when it is explained to developers. When you're in the meeting with just management it's very clear the whole thing entirely about middle management being able to give metrics to upper management about what is going on.
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mishaq posted:lol if your job and life are so empty and meaningless that acting like this is the only thrill you get welcome to yospos
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vaginal facsimile posted:Your in for a surprise during your next performance review little bitch. u chumps didn't even know what a gant chart was *self satisfied left mouse click*
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I'm going to gently caress you in the rear end
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Cat Face Joe posted:u chumps didn't even know what a gant chart was *self satisfied left mouse click* time = money
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NeoHentaiMaster posted:The biggest problem with Agile is that for some bizarre reason in most cases upper management and Agile Evangelist feel they cannot be honest about its real purpose and sell it to developers as some kind of framework for optimizing working on projects. There are literally two different sales pitches for it, one for when it is explained to management and one when it is explained to developers. When you're in the meeting with just management it's very clear the whole thing entirely about middle management being able to give metrics to upper management about what is going on. What the gently caress are you talking about
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vaginal facsimile posted:What the gently caress are you talking about Was the post confusing? Agile is different things to different people. To convince devs to buy into the system they talk about failing fast and showing iterative progress (which in turn helps cover their asses, which is the main reason I like the system: If for every sprint the PM/Customer/Whoever signs off on the work demoed and yet by our deadline we aren't done... well... who's fault is that?) For management the pitch apparently is "Your middle managers can show you a lot of charts". I had never heard this but it makes perfect sense, Scrum does generate a ton of really tedious looking charts that I guess managers love because its better than the alternative (nothing, basically)
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Also since we're talking about PMs: What's YOSPOS's opinion about managers with no background developing software. I think its a god drat mess and I've never had a manager or scrum master worth a drat who didn't at least do a little development in the past. We must be the only industry that allows this, can I roll into an architecture firm and just start bossing people around without having ever designed a building?
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vaginal facsimile posted:I'm going to gently caress you in the rear end nice meltdown
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ADINSX posted:Also since we're talking about PMs: What's YOSPOS's opinion about managers with no background developing software. non developers are generally incapable of understanding the issues that developers face because they don't understand how software gets written. so 
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The Management posted:non developers are generally incapable of understanding the issues that developers face because they don't understand how software gets written. so Most places I've been to have at least a few managers/scrum masters like this; but its definitely going in my "do you have any questions for us" section of my next interviews
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The Management posted:non developers are generally incapable of understanding the issues that developers face because they don't understand how software gets written. so counterpoint: developers are terrible people with non-existent social/people skills and therefore also make terrible managers
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The Management posted:non developers are generally incapable of understanding the issues that developers face because they don't understand how software gets written. so they've been trying to push me into a PM/managerial role for a couple years now because of this problem. "you're IT, you'll understand better how the other half lives." Nah.
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ADINSX posted:Was the post confusing? Agile is different things to different people. To convince devs to buy into the system they talk about failing fast and showing iterative progress (which in turn helps cover their asses, which is the main reason I like the system: If for every sprint the PM/Customer/Whoever signs off on the work demoed and yet by our deadline we aren't done... well... who's fault is that?) Nerd
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The Management posted:non developers are generally incapable of understanding the issues that developers face because they don't understand how software gets written. so Yeah I guess it's really hard to understand computer developing and not insanely simple.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:also no foreign keys. one of my coworkers can't use the ServiceNow iOS app because he has an apostrophe in his name
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service now is so loving bad
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Silver Alicorn posted:one of my coworkers can't use the ServiceNow iOS app because he has an apostrophe in his name lol
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ADINSX posted:Also since we're talking about PMs: What's YOSPOS's opinion about managers with no background developing software. I can work for people who don't know my discipline but only if the relationship is one where they trust that I'm the subject matter expert the worst boss I've ever had never worked as a designer but came out of being a project manager at an ad agency and expected a team of people with minimum 5 years in the field to automatically defer to her dumb ideas and treated us like children she's now a senior ux vp at a large technology company
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COACHS SPORT BAR posted:jira could be worse but lol forever at having to learn a query language to look up issues lol if you don't have people making jira dashboards with everything you need
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:service now is so loving bad servicenow is loving garbage trash from a butt
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My PM asked me how my weekend was today, I told him I spent it watching Terry Zwigoff's films and that Crumb is one of the best documentaries I've seen in a while. He's replied, "That sounds like it was fun, I'll have to watch the film" in his middle-aged dad voice and wrote it down. That's my PM story, thanks for reading. mekkanare fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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vaginal facsimile posted:I'm going to gently caress you in the rear end Username/post
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ADINSX posted:Also since we're talking about PMs: What's YOSPOS's opinion about managers with no background developing software. they don't understand how long things take or what complications can arise. tight deadlines and contradictory desires - importance put on the unimportant and tasks not coherently assigned to meet goals. if followed to a T there's no room to iterate and if scope shifts then poo poo. ignore half of it or it won't ship
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ADINSX posted:Also since we're talking about PMs: What's YOSPOS's opinion about managers with no background developing software. project management is a cargo cult with lamer fetishes than actual cargo cults it literally does not matter who your it pm is, or what their previous jobs were. they are all bloodsuckers to some degree and the best you can hope for is commensalism instead of simple parasitism ADINSX posted:I think its a god drat mess and I've never had a manager or scrum master worth a drat who didn't at least do a little development in the past. We must be the only industry that allows this, can I roll into an architecture firm and just start bossing people around without having ever designed a building? well you see designing buildings is much less important than apprenticeships with people who boss around dudes who designed buildings, or vaguely building-like things and gantt charts
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:service now is so loving bad
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:project management is a cargo cult with lamer fetishes than actual cargo cults lol to be fair i used to think along these lines in the past when ive had a string of terrible PMs, but a good PM org is cool & good in any organization
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Hi, I'm Tayne, your latest project manager. I can't wait to entertain you.
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RISCy Business posted:servicenow is loving garbage trash from a butt seems to work better than track-it, mostly
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hey what's this "version one training" meeting about? 
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rt is the best ticketing system https://bestpractical.com/request-tracker/
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madeupfred posted:Hi, I'm Tayne, your latest project manager. I can't wait to entertain you. Finally a PM I can get into
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:service now is so loving bad they have a very impressive sales organisation
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mishaq posted:lol sounds like you're cruising to get your pmp certificate
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I want a pimp certifcate
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