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bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer
People defending homeopathic snake oil is one if the reasons alternative medicine isn't taken seriously.

Also, I have some tiger-proof rocks for sale, PM me.

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AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out
Nobody can "abuse" a homeopathic product. I could go to the local health food store and drink an entire wall full of homeopathic remedies, and it would have no impact on my body chemistry because it is literally just water.

I mean, I would probably have to go pee really badly after slugging back 2,000 tiny vials of water, but that's the only possible side effect.

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Pugzilla posted:

Homeopathic, naturopathic and OTC products can be very good for you
I suppose this will sound rude, but I don't know how else to help you: You literally don't know what "homeopathic" means. This isn't your fault, a lot of people use the word incorrectly, so I'm not surprised you're confused, but it has a specific meaning and all homeopathic product just can't be good (or bad) for you.
edit:
There may be products that incorrectly advertise themselves as homeopathic that have some benefit, but if they do, it's because they lied about it (or placebo effect).

twodot fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Nov 2, 2017

504
Feb 2, 2016

by R. Guyovich

AlbieQuirky posted:

Nobody can "abuse" a homeopathic product. I could go to the local health food store and drink an entire wall full of homeopathic remedies, and it would have no impact on my body chemistry because it is literally just water.

I mean, I would probably have to go pee really badly after slugging back 2,000 tiny vials of water, but that's the only possible side effect.

There is a guy that deliberately takes a 'lethal" dose of homeopathic medicine every day to prove it's ineffective garbage.

He's been doing it for years and is fine.

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

Can somebody here score me some homeopathic weed or what the gently caress

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer

Squalid posted:

Can somebody here score me some homeopathic weed or what the gently caress

Paypal me $100 and I will mail you my lounging hoodie. Just keep it in the room with you and wait for the high to kick in!

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

Pugzilla posted:

Homeopathic, naturopathic and OTC products can be very good for you, if you know what you are doing. Any time someone considers buying such products, it's always a good idea to do some homework to see if the product and brand are right for the situation. It's not the product's fault if you take the wrong thing or too much of it. People need to be more responsible with what they buy and put in their bodies. True, there is a lot of misleading marketing, but for something important as one's health, doing some homework is always a good thing to do.

Do you make a living selling homeopathic "medicine"?

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

I have a MM script in Florida, I have Crohn's disease and the arthritis that usually comes with it.

Since the doctors really don't know poo poo about MM yet, I had to figure out on my own on what to take and how much. THC works great for the pain, especially arthritis pain. High doses of CBD keep the Crohns under control for the most part, preventing the pain to begin with limiting the THC use which is good because unlike 25 Cent I don't want to be high all the time.

Also since I have been on steady doses of CBD I have been able to eat things that I would have never even considered before. Gluten was completely out of my diet before, but now I can eat it in moderation without any ill effects. Same with Dairy, as long as I don't eat an entire pint of ice cream I can have some and be fine.

It's really been a savior for me, if it wasn't for MM I'd be on Humira right now which I was really dreading, my docs pushed hard for it but I held out until I could try MM and it's been a blessing.

Pugzilla
Feb 25, 2011

Applebees Appetizer posted:

It's really been a savior for me, if it wasn't for MM I'd be on Humira right now which I was really dreading, my docs pushed hard for it but I held out until I could try MM and it's been a blessing.

At least someone gets it. Humira is very dangerous. MM is much safer. You are smart for thinking for yourself and doing what is right for you, not your insurance company.

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Thanks. I knew when my docs scoffed at MM saying it wouldn't help that they were just trying to push their agenda on me which is selling their drugs and probably getting some sweet kick backs for it. They insisted I take Humira, even going so far as saying i could die if I didn't use it. But after reading some of the Humira horror stories I figured I'd take my chances and it paid off. MM is working for now, I just hope it stays that way because the body has weird ways of working it's way around poo poo, so hopefully that doesn't happen and I can continue to use MM until they find a cure which I've read is almost there so we'll see.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Pugzilla posted:

Homeopathic, naturopathic and OTC products can be very good for you, if you know what you are doing.

If you're dehydrated, maybe

504
Feb 2, 2016

by R. Guyovich

James Garfield posted:

If you're dehydrated, maybe

Nice.

Scudworth
Jan 1, 2005

When life gives you lemons, you clone those lemons, and make super lemons.

Dinosaur Gum

Pugzilla posted:

Guess we'll agree to disagree. I'm huge fan of homeopathy, when done right. Sadly, some people abuse homeopathic products

Holy loving poo poo.

stringball
Mar 17, 2009

504 posted:

There is a guy that deliberately takes a 'lethal" dose of homeopathic medicine every day to prove it's ineffective garbage.

He's been doing it for years and is fine.

That's James Randi Rand he's loving great, here's one of his huge burns to the homeopathic (and other pseudoscience) and puts it in a way that a most people can understand well

https://youtu.be/c0Z7KeNCi7g

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Earwicker posted:

many years ago I heard a legend of one man, I believe a British man, who overdosed on weed, but i dont quite remember the means. something like just eating edibles and nothing else over a period of days until he just didnt wake up again.

:britain:

RCarr
Dec 24, 2007

Pugzilla please respond to us showing you know what homeopathic actually means. The anticipation is killing me. (Maybe you can recommend a homeopathic remedy?)

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

back to the original thrad topic I can testify based on recent experience that high CBD strains are indeed very helpful for dealing with some serious back pain. they dont completely eliminate it or fix the problem but the pain reduction is pretty fantastic and there are no side effects that I've noticed other than a very mild drowsiness

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer

Earwicker posted:

back to the original thrad topic I can testify based on recent experience that high CBD strains are indeed very helpful for dealing with some serious back pain. they dont completely eliminate it or fix the problem but the pain reduction is pretty fantastic and there are no side effects that I've noticed other than a very mild drowsiness

Which method were using to take it? My wife is having an arthritis flareup but I could not convince her "CBD shatter " they sell at our local head shop will do anything. I think the strain it was from is called AC/DC?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

its a vape pen oil cartridge, made by phat panda - I forget the exact strain but it was something like 20% cbd (and I think only 15% thc) and its some kind of kush. got it from Pot Shop in Seattle which is a very nice store

oil cartridges are definitely a lot easier to deal with than shatter especially for people who aren't regular smokers

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

bongwizzard posted:

Which method were using to take it? My wife is having an arthritis flareup but I could not convince her "CBD shatter " they sell at our local head shop will do anything. I think the strain it was from is called AC/DC?

CBD-rich edibles are brilliant for my arthritis. AC/DC is a descendant of Cannatonic, which is a super high CBD strain. I would try it if I were her. Tell her an arthritic old lady on the Internet said so.

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer

AlbieQuirky posted:

CBD-rich edibles are brilliant for my arthritis. AC/DC is a descendant of Cannatonic, which is a super high CBD strain. I would try it if I were her. Tell her an arthritic old lady on the Internet said so.

Ha, she is becoming an arthritic old lady so she should appreciate the endorsement.

Is there a reputable online vendor for the stuff, or should I just trust that my local head shop has the real deal?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

bongwizzard posted:

Ha, she is becoming an arthritic old lady so she should appreciate the endorsement.

Is there a reputable online vendor for the stuff, or should I just trust that my local head shop has the real deal?

if you are in a legal state you can generally get an impression of how good a dispensary is by online reviews like with any other retail business, all of the ones i've been to are perfectly legit in terms of what they are selling

if you are in a nonlegal state obviously your mileage may vary. i live in nyc but my delivery service has oil cartridges from ca and wa regularly

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Dec 23, 2017

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer

Earwicker posted:

if you are in a legal state you can generally get an impression of how good a dispensary is by online reviews like with any other retail business, all of the ones i've been to are perfectly legit in terms of what they are selling

if you are in a nonlegal state obviously your mileage may vary. i live in nyc but my delivery service has oil cartridges from ca and wa regularly

Not in a legal state, but our medical stuff just kicked off a month or so ago. My guy said that he can try to get specific strains, but it takes weeks.

While I'm totally willing to smoke weed I find in like a parking lot, I am oddly apprehensive about trusting the random stuff they sell at our sad little head shop. I was under the impression that the CBD stuff is above board and legal to sell everywhere? Otherwise what is the stuff my head shop is selling?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

bongwizzard posted:

Not in a legal state, but our medical stuff just kicked off a month or so ago. My guy said that he can try to get specific strains, but it takes weeks.

While I'm totally willing to smoke weed I find in like a parking lot, I am oddly apprehensive about trusting the random stuff they sell at our sad little head shop. I was under the impression that the CBD stuff is above board and legal to sell everywhere? Otherwise what is the stuff my head shop is selling?

no CBD is not legal to sell everywhere, it depends on the state. if CBD isnt legal in your state then definitely dont buy any "legal weed (alternative)" looking poo poo you see in head shops because some of that stuff can seriously gently caress you up.

Astarath
Jun 23, 2008

Could I see a Hat Wobble?

bongwizzard posted:

Ha, she is becoming an arthritic old lady so she should appreciate the endorsement.

Is there a reputable online vendor for the stuff, or should I just trust that my local head shop has the real deal?

There are a few strains high in cbd to look out for. The most famous is probably Charlotte's Web but unless you're buying it from the actual farm in Colorado that grows it, its probably something else. Others include AC/DC, Harle Tsu, Harmony Rose, and one i can't remember but is two words, one of them "Queen".

But, if you have access to a dispensary, the most cost effective treatment method would be the cbd gel caps - unless you enjoy the ritual of smoking/vaping.

fartzone_42069
Oct 11, 2009

bongwizzard posted:

Otherwise what is the stuff my head shop is selling?

Also curious if you're in the States of Unity. I'm assuming Kratom maybe? I don't know much about it, but I'm pretty it's more of a brownish powder that doesn't look at all like weed.

I think it comes in bags that look like the K2/Spice stuff.

bongwizzard
May 19, 2005

Then one day I meet a man,
He came to me and said,
"Hard work good and hard work fine,
but first take care of head"
Grimey Drawer

Earwicker posted:

no CBD is not legal to sell everywhere, it depends on the state. if CBD isnt legal in your state then definitely dont buy any "legal weed (alternative)" looking poo poo you see in head shops because some of that stuff can seriously gently caress you up.

According to the first google result;
"Because marijuana and its extracts, including the psychoactive compound tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), are classified as Schedule I substances under the federal Controlled Substances Act, patients in the U.S. only have legal access to medical marijuana if they reside in one of the 28 states that have passed laws establishing state-regulated programs. Even the non-psychoactive compound cannabidiol (CBD), when derived from marijuana, is subject to federal law.

CBD that is derived from the seeds and stalk of imported hemp, however, is excluded from the federal law. Therefore, people in Maryland and the remaining 49 U.S. states are legally allowed to purchase and consume CBD hemp oil products, without a prescription and regardless of whether a state has established medical or adult use cannabis laws.


The head shop had stuff packaged like this in any case;

I cant remember the brand, but it was in retail packaging and had the words "AC/DC, shatter, CBD" on it.

I mean, my wife is friends with her doctor, so she could get a script no problem, but I thought it might be worth her trying it before going through all the bother, as the few MD weed stores that have opened involve traffic hell to get to or like sell out as soon as they get new stuff in.

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out
Green Roads is a legit company. Most of the reviews I've seen of their products have ranged from "Love it" to "Eh, this stuff is fine but maybe overpriced."

Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

bongwizzard posted:

I mean, my wife is friends with her doctor, so she could get a script no problem, but I thought it might be worth her trying it before going through all the bother, as the few MD weed stores that have opened involve traffic hell to get to or like sell out as soon as they get new stuff in.

Don't bother with Hemp seed "CBD", it's Hemp oil and worthless. Any "CBD" you can buy on Amazon or at the local head shop is not real CBD and will have zero effect on any kind of pain or inflammation.

If you can get a script for medical grade CBD do it, and as someone who has arthritis as well, THC really helps as well on the bad days so if she is able to get a MM card get the ball rolling and get it done.

AlbieQuirky posted:

Green Roads is a legit company. Most of the reviews I've seen of their products have ranged from "Love it" to "Eh, this stuff is fine but maybe overpriced."

If they are making CBD out of Hemp seed then yes it's way overpriced and not even effective for anyone with serious pain or health issues.

I pay the same amount for my medical grade CBD that people pay for Hemp oil off Amazon because it's being marketed as the real deal CBD. It's a bullshit scam if you ask me, and it's also lovely because people that could really benefit from true medical grade CBD get turned off by it because they try Hemp oil marketed as CBD and it does nothing for them so they give up on it.

Thank Christ I figured that out before hand because true CBD has saved me from a lot of suffering.

https://honestmarijuana.com/hemp-oil-vs-cbd-oil/?age-verified=0d5f317962

quote:

Hemp oil is produced from the seeds of the hemp plant, much like oils derived from olives, almonds, and coconuts. CBD is produced from the flowers, leaves, and stalks of the Cannabis sativa plant.

That doesn’t mean that the flowers, leaves, and stalks of the hemp plant don’t have a purpose. As you’ll see in section four, all parts of the hemp plant can be used in one form or another. The key thing to remember about hemp is that it is NOT psychoactive or medicinal like the Cannabis sativa plant. This is because the hemp plant is very low in cannabinoids

Hemp oil has a very low CBD count (3.5%). This low concentration makes it all but useless as a medical treatment. Because of the low cannabinoid count (both THC and CBD), the hemp plant—and hemp oil in particular—has vastly different uses when compared to CBD oil

Hemp Oil Is A Foodstuff & Industrial Product

Like olive oil or coconut oil, hemp oil is primarily a foodstuff. It’s high in:

Polyunsaturated fats (omega-3 and omega-6).
Vitamin E.
Potassium.
Magnesium.
Vitamin B1.
Vitamin B2.

Hemp oil is also used for various industrial purposes, including the production of shampoo, lotions, soaps, bio-diesel fuel, plastics, and paint. While hemp oil can provide benefits as part of healthy diet, it is nothing when compared to the health benefits of CBD oil.

CBD oil is, first and foremost, a medicine. Its uses are legion, and include treatments for:

Bone growth.
Cancer cell growth.
Bacteria growth.
Artery blockage.
Psoriasis.
Nervous system degeneration.
High blood sugar.
Insomnia.
Seizures and convulsions.
Muscle spasms.
Anxiety.
Psychoses.
Nausea and vomiting.
Low appetite.
Inflammation.
Chronic pain.

Hemp oil does none of that. It is this difference in uses that highlights the importance of calling each one by its correct name. You wouldn’t want to go up to the counter at your local dispensary and ask for hemp oil if you were intent on relieving your chronic pain.

There should seriously be a law against calling Hemp oil "CBD".

Applebees Appetizer fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Jan 5, 2018

kzin602
May 14, 2007




Grimey Drawer

Tenck posted:

Probably something you don't want to share publicly on the internet, but if you do, mind sharing where you went? I've been trying to get my own but paranoid about going to a doctor who'll just think I'm a drug addict. I assumed it was hard to get especially since I'm not dealing with something super serious (I've injured my shoulder and wrists and would love to try it for that).

Should be obvious but I'm also located in AZ.

I don't know your experience with it so I'll state it from my level of experience when I got my card: none at all.

In Arizona

I can't stand 'weed culture' and barely smoked anything through my teenage years and twenties. My SO has been having bad anxiety attacks so she bought a PAX2 electronic vaporizer and acquired some flowers and a grinder from a friend. She ended up moving to CBD oil but I found that even a couple hits from the vape would stop my back pain and calm my racing mind, allowing me to get a good sleep.

My medical insurance sucks, and going to get pain pills and anxiety medication would end up costing more so I decided to go the MMJ route.

I called this place: https://www.yelp.com/biz/dr-reeferalz-tempe-4 , they gave me a appointment, I spent ~$300 on the card I think, maybe more? I told the doctor that I have bad back pain, sometimes have wrist pain from carpal tunnel related inflammation and trouble sleeping due to anxiety. It was a quick in-out thing and despite the headshop-y decor inside the people were all super nice and professional.

You have to wait a week or so for the card to show up in the mail. Then you just go to a dispensary, tell them you are new to this, every experience I've had with dispensary people has been really positive and they have a ton of deals for 1st time patients. I've been to Mint and Sky in Chandler.

I smoke a couple times a week on work nights to help get to sleep, and I have never felt any kind of bad effects the next day. I've gotten very stoned a couple times on the weekend and I feel fine the next day, nothing like pain pills or booze.


edit: I was pretty ignorant going into this and didn't know what was meant by flower, oil, shatter, etc. Nor could I really visualize what was meant by the quantities that a store sells. I mean, I know what an oz is but what does that mean in the context of these products? I felt a little embarrassed asking about those things but the people at dispensaries are suppose to help you though that stuff.

kzin602 fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jan 5, 2018

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

twodot posted:

I suppose this will sound rude, but I don't know how else to help you: You literally don't know what "homeopathic" means. This isn't your fault, a lot of people use the word incorrectly, so I'm not surprised you're confused, but it has a specific meaning and all homeopathic product just can't be good (or bad) for you.
edit:
There may be products that incorrectly advertise themselves as homeopathic that have some benefit, but if they do, it's because they lied about it (or placebo effect).

I take theanine (green tea chemical derivative supplement, surprisingly well understood as these things go) for my anxiety and I was [some combination of irritated, nonplussed, and impressed for which there is probably a German word] when one manufacturer started labeling theirs as homeopathic as sort of a... reverse snake oil marketing scheme?

They were technically correct, there's some filler in the capsule for one reason or another and therefore the active ingredient is in fact diluted, but it was the perfectly normal 50-100mg dosage.

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.
"Homeopathic" and "herbal" seem to be interchangeable marketing terms.

Pugzilla
Feb 25, 2011
Not sure if this is the right thread, but I'll give it a shot.

A friend of mine LEGALLY/ with state issued permit, grows MMJ. He is very successful and has $300k USD in cash. The problem is that because of what he does, banks in AZ won't do business with him. What he wants to know what non-banking alternatives are available for him to reliably deposit and withdraw funds?

Bear Enthusiast
Mar 20, 2010

Maybe
You'll think of me
When you are all alone

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I take theanine (green tea chemical derivative supplement, surprisingly well understood as these things go) for my anxiety and I was [some combination of irritated, nonplussed, and impressed for which there is probably a German word] when one manufacturer started labeling theirs as homeopathic as sort of a... reverse snake oil marketing scheme?

They were technically correct, there's some filler in the capsule for one reason or another and therefore the active ingredient is in fact diluted, but it was the perfectly normal 50-100mg dosage.

The thing is they weren't technically correct, Homeopathy is a specific thing. The fact that you can use the label wherever you want is part of the problem.

For something to be Homeopathic, it has to be REALLY diluted. So diluted that it's very unlikely you will consume a single molecule of the substance. In common dilutions it would be like dropping an aspirin in an olypmic swimming pool and then drinking half of it as a dose.

The expressed goal of this dilution is that the substance is gone, the effect is supposed to he from some special interaction the substance has on the water via mechanisms that are basically just magic.

So sure, you have stuff that works at some level. And some of it might be labeled as Homeopathic. But from what you said, it's definitely not.

That can be a problem too, where they say something is incredibly diluted but because it's not regulated like medicine you could end up with way too much. It happened with that zinc product Zicam.

Edit: Just so I'm not 100% derail. I'm really excited about the possibility of more marijuana stuff coming to New Hampshire, I am really jealous of my friends down in Massachusetts.

Bear Enthusiast fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jan 26, 2018

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Bear Enthusiast posted:

Edit: Just so I'm not 100% derail. I'm really excited about the possibility of more marijuana stuff coming to New Hampshire, I am really jealous of my friends down in Massachusetts.

it legal in Vermont now too, so either way a pretty short drive from most of NH

504
Feb 2, 2016

by R. Guyovich

Pugzilla posted:

Not sure if this is the right thread, but I'll give it a shot.

A friend of mine LEGALLY/ with state issued permit, grows MMJ. He is very successful and has $300k USD in cash. The problem is that because of what he does, banks in AZ won't do business with him. What he wants to know what non-banking alternatives are available for him to reliably deposit and withdraw funds?

Lie to the bank and say hes a REALLY good teacher?

Get a friend/rellie to open a safe deposit box that only he can access? (this is a thing based on the movies I watch)

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bl4d3
Jun 18, 2005

My supershakes bring all the goons to the yard of lard.
http://phoenixtears.ca/

Looks like a decent recipe that I want to try personally. Handy if you have a few LBs of good quality cannabis lying around, though I'm sure you can make a smaller batch.

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