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I'm not sure what Vilgan's point is. Like, what do they want?
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SHISHKABOB posted:I'm not sure what Vilgan's point is. Like, what do they want? They are either a weakly identifying GSF member who wants us to provide full Pochven support, or they're a non-GSF member who wants phorde out of Pochven.
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Jun 30, 2022 13:15
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I've been to Pochven once on a welp squad fleet and it sucked. Case closed, I'm not interested in any further arguments to the contrary.
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Jun 30, 2022 13:45
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:yes, but you see "goons bad, war bad, pochven good" In all fairness this is the saddest excuse of a war we've had in a decade, we're punching so far down it might as well be amateur deep sea archaeology
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Jun 30, 2022 14:01
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Alone in the Dork posted:In all fairness this is the saddest excuse of a war we've had in a decade, we're punching so far down it might as well be amateur deep sea archaeology I've brought my Nyx out of mothballs for the first time since Test and friends ran away from Delve with their underwear around their ankles, it'll do
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I've brought my Nyx out of mothballs for the first time since Test and friends ran away from Delve with their underwear around their ankles, it'll do I mean that seems like a vapid reason to care, you use an oversized suitcase? We'll never use them, how many bloc level FCs are supercap capable these days?
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Jun 30, 2022 14:06
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Vilgan posted:it seems like there's a lot of koolaid drinking whenever Mittens pronounces something. Also, you say this like Mittani has any loving clue about finance. Spoiler: he doesn't.
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Jun 30, 2022 15:02
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Just make him care enough to learn, because that ends well. I'll be watching from a distance, where its safe 
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Jun 30, 2022 15:19
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wtf is pochven?
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Jun 30, 2022 16:45
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CainFortea posted:wtf is pochven? There was an event where the Triangle Men (who hate particle men) could take entire systems off the map, such as Niarja. (It's gone now.) They stuck them inside a pseudo-region of their own, whose gate structure is shaped (you guessed it) like a triangle. You can get in with those filament thingies, and through naturally spawning wormholes. (The drone regions get more of them than the rest of k-space.) There's some PVE nonsense inside, which, as we all know, is a huge entitlement generator.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:There was an event where the Triangle Men (who hate particle men) could take entire systems off the map, such as Niarja. (It's gone now.) They stuck them inside a pseudo-region of their own, whose gate structure is shaped (you guessed it) like a triangle. You can get in with those filament thingies, and through naturally spawning wormholes. (The drone regions get more of them than the rest of k-space.) There's some PVE nonsense inside, which, as we all know, is a huge entitlement generator. Oh, so like √(burners + incursions) * i?
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Jun 30, 2022 17:29
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CainFortea posted:Oh, so like √(burners + incursions) * i? 
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Jun 30, 2022 17:36
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Vilgan just tell us why your app got rejected.
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Jun 30, 2022 17:47
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My money is on "used to krab with goons and lost his isk fountain when they unblued"
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Jun 30, 2022 17:52
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It's a region you can only access by using filaments, think a gated NPC sov constellation
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Jun 30, 2022 17:53
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Pochven is the small gang NPC-null local blackout region that ~*~eLiTe PvP~*~ has been asking for for decades. So of course there’s no real pvp there. Just the occasional slap fight between PvE gangs.
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Dik Hz posted:Pochven is the small gang NPC-null local blackout region that ~*~eLiTe PvP~*~ has been asking for for decades. So of course there’s no real pvp there. Just the occasional slap fight between PvE gangs. lol you have no idea what you are talking about there are lots of cool fights with interesting doctrines you don't see in null because the sizes are kept down because of how the site payouts work there is also small gang stuff, either small gang vs small gang, like the guy i know who goes out there in a vengeance by himself and collects a billion kills. you can also harass the larger fleets that are moving between systems (it's all one big pipe! you know where they're going!) you even get structure bashes like the big fights over rote structures or currently now people fighting over the FRT forts pochven is good. if you are in goons, you can go to pochven and do things there. imperium has decided not to commit alliance-level resources to it for reasons discussed in this thread, all of which make sense
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Jun 30, 2022 21:09
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Any time individual goons are given something tantamount to an isk faucet, bad things happen. Do you want Vilys? Because that's how you get Vilys.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:There was an event where the Triangle Men (who hate particle men) could take entire systems off the map, such as Niarja. (It's gone now.) They stuck them inside a pseudo-region of their own, whose gate structure is shaped (you guessed it) like a triangle. You can get in with those filament thingies, and through naturally spawning wormholes. (The drone regions get more of them than the rest of k-space.) There's some PVE nonsense inside, which, as we all know, is a huge entitlement generator. This is a good summary. The PvE/PvP blend is interesting for a few reasons: 1) Isk is paid out directly to each person as isk, no LP/blue loot/etc. So fully taxable. 2) The rewards scale up as the gang size increases up to a size of 15, after which it drops quickly towards zero. This makes 15 the default gang size. You can obviously run more than 1 gang of 15, and have alts that come along to help but then drop fleet when it's payout time but 15 is the size fights generally revolve around (barring escalation). 3) There are only ever 3 sites up at a time, they respawn instantly, they are very easy to run. This makes them a scarce and highly desireable resource which breeds a lot of fights. 4) Since the sites themselves are trivial from a difficulty standpoint (you need some logi to rep the dread dps), you can run them in pvp fits. 5) Since the soft cap of 15 limits numbers to some degree, it helps push back against the N+1 mentality somewhat. So rather than adding more muninns, you are frequently better off upshipping your 15 into stronger ships that punch harder. 6) In a weird scenario where you aren't getting into fights and just chaining sites, you can make something like 1B/hour/char. This never actually happens because stuff is so contested but still getting 500-750M/char/hour is still pretty good (imo). What gangs people actually fly are hugely varied. There's a fleet of all marauders that runs pretty often, primarily near Archee. Horde runs a few different doctrines (vedmaks, dreks, paladins, ishtars). Frat varies but lately defaulting to ishtars so more people can multibox for more isk. The more "elite pvp" crowd bounces between barghest fleets, heavy armor (paladin/vindi), nighthawks and a few other comps. Since there are basically always more fleets up than there are sites (and anyone who lives in poch has a ton of isk to replace losses), conflict happens very frequently. Sometimes that's a weaker fleet getting pushed off, but also frequently turns into a legit smackdown pvp fight where cool poo poo dies on one or both sides. Sometimes fleets will combine and you'll see a 40 vs 40 fight with a poo poo ton of isk on field. Vilgan fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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learnincurve posted:My money is on "used to krab with goons and lost his isk fountain when they unblued" yeah, anyone who criticizes goons in some fashion must only have their opinion because they are butthurt about some selfish thing. Net worth has gone from 915B to 1.3T from a combination of wormholes/poch (most of it) and some production in the past 2 months. Don't have to be personally impacted by a Mittens pronouncement to think it's kinda dumb. And yes, I realize that net worth is loving peanuts compared to some on here 
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:lol you have no idea what you are talking about I've heard horde just spam muninn fleets there with some weird static chain that just happens to be a few jumps outside their main staging. Or they could be just be spamming filaments with mini fleets, that seems simpler. Either way there's no point contesting a portion of space that's guarded religiously by the most effective and willing cat's paw in the game, backed up implicitly by the tenant-militia that comprises 3/4 of nullsec. Maybe if you needed key Titan components from there I guess, but not to make some krabs richer. School Nickname fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jun 30, 2022 |
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Vilgan posted:yeah, anyone who criticizes goons in some fashion must only have their opinion because they are butthurt about some selfish thing. you are the most worthless krab. goodbye.
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:lol you have no idea what you are talking about
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Vilgan posted:yeah, anyone who criticizes goons in some fashion must only have their opinion because they are butthurt about some selfish thing. No, but like, you realize you're not unique in this plan of yours right? Not even a little bit. Some of us have been doing this since 2006. It's old and tired.
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my net worth is like five billion because I just go on fleets in subcaps and blow up dipshit pubbies for fun
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Anyone who brags about their net worth in EVE is a TEST spy, because they clearly jerk off to their upvote score.
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CainFortea posted:wtf is pochven? Space Hell.
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Dik Hz posted:Pochven is the small gang NPC-null local blackout region that ~*~eLiTe PvP~*~ has been asking for for decades. So of course there’s no real pvp there. Just the occasional slap fight between PvE gangs. dumb take
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Jul 1, 2022 01:48
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Fun read back. Liquid ISK is dumb on an alliance level, hth
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NEW THREAD IS UP: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4006027
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