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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

So he predicted the Netflix series then.

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mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

it's anzac day in australia (pro-war brainwashing day celebrating the troops attempting to invade turkey and getting their asses handed to them) and some brain genius had a great idea
i tried to get charlie to talk about ghosts, but he went "as a chatbot i can't see or sense ghosts" and then just kept saying "i can only answer questions about ww1. do you have a question about ww1?" until i gave up. trash

mahershalalhashbaz fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Apr 25, 2024

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
Are people more positive about Gallipoli these days then? I thought the take was “Churchill’s bright idea got a bunch of us killed for nothing” but that might have faded with time.

mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

Pirate Radar posted:

Are people more positive about Gallipoli these days then? I thought the take was “Churchill’s bright idea got a bunch of us killed for nothing” but that might have faded with time.
awareness that gallipoli was a massive military failure is patchy. my rural elementary school treated it like a day of pride and glory for the nation, i didn't find out it was actually a clusterfuck until i was an adult. the powers that be still push the pride-and-glory aspect pretty hard and it's getting worse, the last thing they want is the kids thinking that getting fed into a meat grinder to satisfy a pack of incompetent british psychopaths is a bad thing.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Pirate Radar posted:

Are people more positive about Gallipoli these days then? I thought the take was “Churchill’s bright idea got a bunch of us killed for nothing” but that might have faded with time.

it made a pretty good movie

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Pirate Radar posted:

Are people more positive about Gallipoli these days then? I thought the take was “Churchill’s bright idea got a bunch of us killed for nothing” but that might have faded with time.

It's pretty common for disastrous military failures to get retconned into heroic character-building moments. That way, the people responsible for the failure can draw attention away from their own responsibility, and the victims can avoid directly acknowledging just how much suffering they'd been subjected to for no good reason.

Gallipoli was a military failure, but Australia (which had only been recently unified into a single country) played it up as a source of national identity. In the mouths of the propagandists, the horrible failure of the Gallipoli campaign became the tale of the heroic ANZACs charging into a hail of enemy bullets, bravely and selflessly laying down their lives in the face of an insurmountable challenge, their useless deaths demonstrating to the world just how incredible and amazing the Aussie spirit was.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Main Paineframe posted:

It's pretty common for disastrous military failures to get retconned into heroic character-building moments. That way, the people responsible for the failure can draw attention away from their own responsibility, and the victims can avoid directly acknowledging just how much suffering they'd been subjected to for no good reason.

Gallipoli was a military failure, but Australia (which had only been recently unified into a single country) played it up as a source of national identity. In the mouths of the propagandists, the horrible failure of the Gallipoli campaign became the tale of the heroic ANZACs charging into a hail of enemy bullets, bravely and selflessly laying down their lives in the face of an insurmountable challenge, their useless deaths demonstrating to the world just how incredible and amazing the Aussie spirit was.

As a phenomenon I’m familiar with that yeah, but I wasn’t sure how it was seen in Aus these days.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
The average Australian. The Bruce on the street. The hoi oi oi polloi, you might say

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
for what it's worth, the best general of the war was an australian jew, so there's an anzac day bit of trivia for you

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Australia gets cousin brucie on the radio too?

where am I going with this

see Bruce think of cousin

GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Apr 25, 2024

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

for what it's worth, the best general of the war was an australian jew, so there's an anzac day bit of trivia for you

rupert murdoch's dad tried to whip up antisemitism against him

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

starting to think that murdoch family might suck poo poo

mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

for what it's worth, the best general of the war was an australian jew, so there's an anzac day bit of trivia for you
johnny monash was a force of nature, he has so much stuff named after him. imo a descendant of the biblical manasseh, who in lore was also a political powerhouse.

mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

i am the only online student in one of my classes and when i zoom in my face gets projected at 10x regular size onto this gigantic screen on the wall like a dictator in a sci-fi dystopia, it's mortifying

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!
I hope you seize the chance to imperiously shout SILENCE FOOLS every so often

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
avs should have their enlarged face on every screen

occasionally wildlife can also poke their head in

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mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

it's so terrible, the camera points into the classroom at an oblique angle so as i'm talking i also get a clear view of my terrifying big brother visage addressing the long-suffering subjects

Pirate Radar posted:

I hope you seize the chance to imperiously shout SILENCE FOOLS every so often
YOU HAVE FAILED ME FOR THE LAST TIME

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