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Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

double negative posted:

social media provides a means to organize and communicate but it doesn’t substitute as an actual irl social organization or community like the church or the divine nine or something, so it might be a while. it’s really entrenched

I meant supplant churches as a center for political activism, not as an IRL social group.

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CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

Who What Now posted:

Every slave owning white southerner was a Christian. Coincidence?

Unlike all those atheist Northern abolitionists.

Bert Roberge
Nov 28, 2003

Every religion can be monetized.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Thesis: its Paul's fault ultimately that my family aren't still hanging sacrifices off the tree in front of the temple at Gamla Uppsala

IOW, Paul is ultimately responsible for the cultural genocide that took place across Europe before it was exported to the rest of the world.

Of course, colonialism was driven by economics, probably primarily so, but it took on the veneer of the evangelical call to teach the gospel to all the creatures. So, is Christianity ultimately responsible for Eurocentrism/white supremacy or is bigotry developed convergently in various pockets because people ultimately suck?

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Bilirubin posted:

Thesis: its Paul's fault ultimately that my family aren't still hanging sacrifices off the tree in front of the temple at Gamla Uppsala

IOW, Paul is ultimately responsible for the cultural genocide that took place across Europe before it was exported to the rest of the world.

Of course, colonialism was driven by economics, probably primarily so, but it took on the veneer of the evangelical call to teach the gospel to all the creatures. So, is Christianity ultimately responsible for Eurocentrism/white supremacy or is bigotry developed convergently in various pockets because people ultimately suck?

Christianity is undeniably the basis for white supremacy. The entire debate around whether whichever native peoples are actually human or human shaped animals was based around whether they accepted Christianity as truth. The genocides started because the savages proved their inhumanity by rejecting Christ (or just adding the Christian god to their pantheon).

That said, it's not like non-white nations aren't capable of having a racial cast system, the Europeans just got lucky in making a global one.

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Oct 15, 2012

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Biscuit Hider

Muscle Wizard posted:

it was an obvious trap but its pretty clear from other parts of scripture that jesus considered divine politics and earthly politics to be two different spheres. jesus is the original proponent of separation of church and state lol.

He also understood that wealth and earthly power were innately corrupting forces

Hentai Jihadist posted:

i think christian socialism is pretty cool but the title of this thread is blatantly false, history shows us that Christianity is in fact insanely compatible with capitalism

its a monotheist religion with a spiritual reward system so it meshes well with "keep your head down and do what the loving king says. dont worry about the real world, you'll get to do everything you want after you die"

Jesus literally says that rich people don’t go to heaven.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Bilirubin posted:

Of course, colonialism was driven by economics, probably primarily so, but it took on the veneer of the evangelical call to teach the gospel to all the creatures. So, is Christianity ultimately responsible for Eurocentrism/white supremacy or is bigotry developed convergently in various pockets because people ultimately suck?

Bigotry is developed when inequality is rampant not because people suck but because people are ultimately not hosed in the head and need some ideological justification for what they and their government are doing. Christianity is good at providing that.

The concept of White Man's Burden is all about how Europe was really uplifting the savages, not doing colonialist exploitation. They're not doing genocide, they're converting savages and saving their immortal souls.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Moridin920 posted:

whatever gently caress Paul then too it's not like that poo poo hasn't been changed before

let's trump up a new "prophet" and unify all the Abrahamic religions like in that Arthur C Clarke novel and then unfuck our poo poo before Poseidon does it for us

Sweep aside all the bullshit and look at the text and base a leftist message on that. Rural Americans don't know the finer points of theology anyway. They're not going to bust out St. Augustine quotes or some poo poo.

My dude, have you heard of Baha'ullah?

Agreed, OP.

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
Xtianity is cool

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



also, Paul ruined everything and then Constantine came by and gave it an atomic elbow while it was down.

Tolstoy actually wrote some real good books on it if you can handle 19th Century Russian translated to early 20th century English.

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
isnt the whole reason jesus message caught on amongst jews is that they badly wanted roman rule swept away. like mayb jesus argued against caring about secular/earthly affairs but he was executed for sedition not blasphemy. isnt that anti imperialist

Bert Roberge
Nov 28, 2003

Saudi Arabia is really good at religious grift too and I wish this thread could include all places doing stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmtCtP5UXRk

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

cargo cult posted:

isnt the whole reason jesus message caught on amongst jews is that they badly wanted roman rule swept away. like mayb jesus argued against caring about secular/earthly affairs but he was executed for sedition not blasphemy. isnt that anti imperialist

Destroying an empire for the sole purpose of replacing it with your own isn't anti-imperialist.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Who What Now posted:

Destroying an empire for the sole purpose of replacing it with your own isn't anti-imperialist.

They didn't want an empire they wanted to have their own state as a self determining people? An independent kingdom is how that was done back then 99.999% of the time.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


christmas boots posted:

He also understood that wealth and earthly power were innately corrupting forces


Jesus literally says that rich people don’t go to heaven.

"you shouldnt have money (the king should)" how very convenient

Bert Roberge
Nov 28, 2003

I got a guy to sell me his soul for 3 sheets of notebook paper in high school.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


lol every1 k ows that tbose contracts are only valid when signed in blodd

Bert Roberge
Nov 28, 2003

Tastykake posted:

lol every1 k ows that tbose contracts are only valid when signed in blodd

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

i w a n t t o e a t y o u r s o u l r a w

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

MizPiz posted:

Christianity is undeniably the basis for white supremacy. The entire debate around whether whichever native peoples are actually human or human shaped animals was based around whether they accepted Christianity as truth. The genocides started because the savages proved their inhumanity by rejecting Christ (or just adding the Christian god to their pantheon).

That said, it's not like non-white nations aren't capable of having a racial cast system, the Europeans just got lucky in making a global one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe

Lots of indigenous peoples converted to Christianity of their own free will, which was a problem because enslaving Christians was aaaawkward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praying_town

quote:

An important factor contributing to the conversion of Natives was the possibility to increase their legitimacy in the eyes of the English settlers and thus recognition of their rights to their land. Because of troubles between the tribes themselves and between the colonists and the tribes, some saw the praying towns as a refuge from war.

Ayn Randi
Mar 12, 2009


Grimey Drawer
christianity isn't so much incompatible with capital as it is its incubator and precursor. as god is the ground of being that dreamed us into existence within itself, so to did we dream our own progeny embodied in the rarefied ground of our own minds. capital moves around to world to propagate itself, it consumes, it grows and multiplies, it excretes the waste products of its consumption. it reacts to threats and acts always in its own self preservation. a superconsciousness that marshalls individual humans to its defense without a separately-extant self consciously calling the shots, just as the communal human organism does with its cells and microbiome.

capitalism is christianity, only this time we took the role of gods and not creations. and like us, capitalism must inevitably murder the gods it has outgrown.

Brrrmph
Feb 27, 2016

Слава Україні!

paul_soccer10 posted:

liberation theology ftw

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Koishi Komeiji posted:

This is such a lazy excuse. It's the "not all white men!" of religious defensive language.

it's actually the opposite; "not all white men" is about claiming exceptions to a generality, you're the one claiming exceptionalism

but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: of christianity, islam, and hinduism - the three currently-dominant organized religions of humanity, which have all been around for at least a millennium, and which account for 2/3rds of the human race's religious beliefs - which is not a malleable doctrine that has principally been used to justify the power and dominance of one class over another?

Flying-Chip
May 2, 2004

Jesus was cool but Christianity never does more than making poor people feel OK with being oppressed. At least they will go to heaven in the afterlife, lol.

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

Ayn Randi posted:

christianity isn't so much incompatible with capital as it is its incubator and precursor. as god is the ground of being that dreamed us into existence within itself, so to did we dream our own progeny embodied in the rarefied ground of our own minds. capital moves around to world to propagate itself, it consumes, it grows and multiplies, it excretes the waste products of its consumption. it reacts to threats and acts always in its own self preservation. a superconsciousness that marshalls individual humans to its defense without a separately-extant self consciously calling the shots, just as the communal human organism does with its cells and microbiome.

capitalism is christianity, only this time we took the role of gods and not creations. and like us, capitalism must inevitably murder the gods it has outgrown.

You're talking about capital in the same way McVeigh talked about modern technology.

smoke sumthin bitch
Dec 14, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
i dont think jesus was much political he was more of the sovereign citizen cult leader type like david koresh but also smoking holy hash oil in abundance

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

Anybody linked to David Bentley Hart yet? Articles for reading.

https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/christs-rabble

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/opinion/sunday/christianity-communism.html

Unfortunate pay well on the second one is new.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



If you are on a browser, noscript will usually get you by paywalls.

also where the gently caress is the mic drop emote?

quote:

In a sense, the good news announced by Scripture was that Christ had come to save us from the burden of Christianity.

Persiflagist
Mar 7, 2013
idk op what if it is??? it sounds like it might be./

Probably Magic
Oct 9, 2012

Looking cute, feeling cute.
Yikes.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

anyone here saved yet

from capitalism, i mean

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

seems sort of extreme to say Protestants aren't Christian

is this a tradcath thread?

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


My history with Christianity is so loving atypical.

Parents thought brainwashing was dumb and bad, so raised me without direct influence on faith.

I was more or less atheist after brushing up against a millenial doomsday cult who said things about Revelation that hurt my heart and made me reject it outright.

Then when i was 16 i started to become hardcore left wing. Then at 18 I got saved into a church.

I never fully fit in because i made no attempt to modify my belief in science or socialism.

But even as ive radicalized more, even as I transition and am an abomination t9 so many Christians... I still believe and worship.

I feel like Christianity must fundamentally be socialistic in its behavior and aims in order to truly walk Christ's path. I keep having dreams where otherworldly beings purge me in cleansing fire and show me the infinite expanses of eternity, or show me events that haven't happened yet.

I know I'm among folks who tend to need empirical information. That would dismiss this out of hand as crazy nonsense, and I can't even disagree... but it has only strengthened my belief that the heavens are far more just and extant than most lefties would ever concede.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

Atrocious Joe posted:

seems sort of extreme to say Protestants aren't Christian

is this a tradcath thread?

imo just sit in waiting silence until an answer comes to you

much simpler than worrying about those boundaries

then, :justpost:

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



:siren:

AIRHORN :siren:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw3_5AaWBlY

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Professor of Cats
Mar 22, 2009

jesus christ the zipper on my pants broke and my weiner was just flopping around

luckily everyone was at lunch

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