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You died. How?
Ion Cannon
Crushed to death by rubble
Listened to one-to-many briefings from Sheppard
Consumed by Commander Rapter
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chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM

Jobbo_Fett posted:

This literally always happened to me and was instrumental in why I stopped playing vs AI.

Yeah, as a kid this always frustrated me. Imagine my excitement when I downloaded that INI editing tool that was super popular for RA1 (forgot the name) and enabling/disabling it was as simple as a checkbox.

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Broken Box
Jan 29, 2009

Jobbo_Fett posted:

To ally with people online you had to hit the "F" key... or maybe the "A" key? Either way, it was a simple button press. Legitimately could never get it to work for me though. The AI always preferred to fight it out at all times.

Notably, if you allied with an AI it wouldn't fire on you, but it would still try to run over your infantry if they were nearby. And it had no qualms with parking a mass of its troops in your base and killing your dudes under their treads.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM

Broken Box posted:

Notably, if you allied with an AI it wouldn't fire on you, but it would still try to run over your infantry if they were nearby. And it had no qualms with parking a mass of its troops in your base and killing your dudes under their treads.

Haha yes, I forgot about this. They would totally *act* like they wanted to attack you, they just couldn't do it (directly). This included sending masses of tanks and troops to your base that just sat there and did nothing once they arrived.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Broken Box posted:

Notably, if you allied with an AI it wouldn't fire on you, but it would still try to run over your infantry if they were nearby. And it had no qualms with parking a mass of its troops in your base and killing your dudes under their treads.

Sounds awesome :)

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

chocolateTHUNDER posted:

Yeah, as a kid this always frustrated me. Imagine my excitement when I downloaded that INI editing tool that was super popular for RA1 (forgot the name) and enabling/disabling it was as simple as a checkbox.

I think it was TibEd? I remember using that program a lot and creating poo poo like Artillery with Cruiser Guns and Tesla-equipped jeeps, etc.

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011



Oh, if you think INI editing can do some ridiculous poo poo in this game, just wait until we get to the next in the series.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Bloody Pom posted:

Oh, if you think INI editing can do some ridiculous poo poo in this game, just wait until we get to the next in the series.

I never said my experiences with TibEd were limited to just RA :getin:

Just didn't want to say anything further because of obvious spoilers.

Crazy Achmed
Mar 13, 2001

I haven't made it to the end of the video yet, but it's awesome to see under the hood of this game. The map editor I had back in the day didn't do triggers, so while it was fun making cool looking maps, all the scripting of the campaign was black magic to me.

UED Special Ops
Oct 21, 2008
Grimey Drawer

Crazy Achmed posted:

I haven't made it to the end of the video yet, but it's awesome to see under the hood of this game. The map editor I had back in the day didn't do triggers, so while it was fun making cool looking maps, all the scripting of the campaign was black magic to me.

Yeah, same. Is really interesting how advanced some of the triggers were for the time, especially the expansions, I was pretty amazed at some of the things Westwood pulled off with them. Still, really, really looking forward to TS/Firestorm, as that one and RA2/YR were the two C&C games I played the most out of all of them and TS especially is one of my favorites, and was where I really learned all about rules.ini fun.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Videos that I'm 100% we missed in the run

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfeSyP9vwzU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMqntz6Fq-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIrJBQsoW34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgwaKrwbuh8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngmuknCJfOc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38oML-90BUo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5qAzT9rpfY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubPTpT-VH5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRYKm1nkPd4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI-MtLqFJd4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oYae5llmgc





The full playlist can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPr6Pz3IInk


Do note, however, that I had to make the first allied video private, as the audio in the original ripped video is borked beyond belief.

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 12:50 on May 25, 2019

Mr.Flibble
Jul 23, 2008
Unless I missed it somewhere I don't think you showed off the intro for retaliation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_DwfGxSyMQ

The song is Hell march remix by Frank Klepacki .
https://youtu.be/Zlw5z08OGs8

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Mr.Flibble posted:

Unless I missed it somewhere I don't think you showed off the intro for retaliation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_DwfGxSyMQ

The song is Hell march remix by Frank Klepacki .
https://youtu.be/Zlw5z08OGs8


Yeah, I think you're right. Its in the full playlist tho so ill edit it in as a separate vid later.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

Mr.Flibble posted:

Unless I missed it somewhere I don't think you showed off the intro for retaliation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_DwfGxSyMQ

Ahh, those PS1 boot sounds.

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.
That Tanya FMV using in-game sound effects was a nice touch. It suggests that's just what the Red Alert universe sounds like.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Finally reached the end of that map editor video :)

Regarding the timer triggers, the times are given in one-tenth minutes, so a value of 10 means one minute, a value of 5 means 30 seconds, 300 is 30 minutes. One tenth minute is 6 seconds.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

nielsm posted:

Finally reached the end of that map editor video :)

Regarding the timer triggers, the times are given in one-tenth minutes, so a value of 10 means one minute, a value of 5 means 30 seconds, 300 is 30 minutes. One tenth minute is 6 seconds.

Yeah on my re-view I noticed that and gave myself a big ole facepalm.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
The one where I cheese it a little

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xuxprFug0Q
The one where I cheese it a little




8 players enter, one will leave alive.




:shrug:




Location: Unknown, Unknown
Objective: Kill all 7 other players

Briefing: Gather your resources, build up your base, destroy the enemy.


Author's note: I'm not all that great at Red Alert skirmish. I had no idea what map I picked, and it turned out it had either too few resources, or too many players...




N/A



N/A

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

Broken Box posted:

Notably, if you allied with an AI it wouldn't fire on you, but it would still try to run over your infantry if they were nearby. And it had no qualms with parking a mass of its troops in your base and killing your dudes under their treads.

Wait, I don't understand what you're saying here. What is this "infantry" that you speak of? I only understand the words "mammoth" and "tank" in that order, and occasionally the word "MiG."

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


I haven’t played this Red Alert, but I really love 2 and 3 and a defunct mod for 3 that had some great lore as an expansion of the world. So it’s interesting to see how the series started.

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.
Oh man I'm pumped for TibSun.
I missed that one back when it was current and never really got into it afterwards.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



My experience with the skirmish AI in RA was always that if you build air, it builds air. If you never build air, the AI never builds air either.

And yes, if you have lost all your conyards, then crates have a very high chance of giving you an MCV.

nielsm fucked around with this message at 07:40 on May 30, 2019

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

Groetgaffel posted:

Oh man I'm pumped for TibSun.
I missed that one back when it was current and never really got into it afterwards.

I played it but dropped it, maybe I'll actually get through it this time. Might need to go higher than 480p on those videos depending on resolution though, the units and buildings in that game really like to blend in to the terrain compared to these first two.

Paingod556
Nov 8, 2011

Not a problem, sir

France gets a ROF buff because they have a hardon for autoloaders maybe? I dunno

USSR was basically cheating in skirmish/MP. 10% discount on everything can be huge

Crazy Achmed
Mar 13, 2001

Skirmish really felt like it just wasn't fully implemented - not sure if there were time constraints but I'd put my money on that. Crates were super fun and mysterious, though!
Cash wise I have a feeling that map might have been a bit better with far fewer players on it? Good job though, I would have got rolled hard by an infantry rush or something.

Anyway, it really feels like Red Alert plus its expansions had decent pacing: at this point I feel satisfied, probably wanting a little more but also that it didn't overstay its welcome.

Now that we're going forawd into the second generation of C&C games, I'll really miss the near-future/alt-history aesthetic that TD and RA have. Namely that there's a decent mix of "real world" and sci-fi tech: I'm sure it's a personal taste thing but I feel like a lot comes out of picking and choosing where to add the crazy tech stuff so that it still feels special rather than becoming mundane. TD had a great cocktail of military cool (cf. modern warfare games etc.) with tiberium, the rapid-construction tech and EVA underlying it, and a few special things like the obelisk and stealth tank to spice it up. Red Alert had the same sort of thing going on where your bread and butter is the slick TD experience of "what if you could roll into an area and set up a functioning tank-producing base within minutes". Klepacki's soundtrack feels like it mirrors this, something about it just feels grounded rather than trying to sound too sci-fi all the time.

Without going into spoiler territory, Tiberian Sun has one glaring thing missing from it. I'll point it out in due time...

thetruegentleman
Feb 5, 2011

You call that potato a Trump avatar?

THIS is a Trump Avatar!
A mechanic and medic would have made that match far less painful, you know.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

thetruegentleman posted:

A mechanic and medic would have made that match far less painful, you know.

Yeah but both would have been tank track treats very quickly!

Fish Noise
Jul 25, 2012

IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!
...do their abilities work through walls?

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Fish Noise posted:

...do their abilities work through walls?

Nope, not enough range.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Yeah but both would have been tank track treats very quickly!

That's what the scatter button is for :v:

Source of Happyness
Mar 2, 2007

you should come outside sometime, it is great out here
If I'm remembering correctly the Skirmish AI's always build two power plants before building the Refinery. I remember setting the starting cash to about 2k and having free reign over the map while a bunch of impotent AIs ran out of cash before the refinery completed....

Jaguars!
Jul 31, 2012


Do a no bases tech level 3 skirmish

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Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

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